New GM a Team Discussion Thread (Draft Order Pg 12)

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #941 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:10 am

r0cd0gg wrote:I am not assuming Yao is done for good just pointing out the possibility based on speculation. Odds are good that he won't play at all in the season we are about to complete and IMO odds are good that if he does make it back he will have recurring problems for whatever is left of his career. Dude does have a history...

One thing I will assume... Both Houston's GM and skorf figured him to be a huge health risk/question mark or he would not have opted in and then get traded for basically RJ. If it was assumed Yao would be healthy skorf would have recieved a slew of vetoes for that deal.

When it comes time for voting it will be after a season where Yao was out. Right now the notsonics have $30 mil tied up in Cs that have had or have foot problems/injury issues. That is kind of scary.

I hope Yao does make it back eventually, Big Z did so...

He was injured this season(in the game). Next season is when the judging will be taking place, Yao will probably be healthy after 2 offseasons and a full seasons time. I understand he would still be looked at as injury prone, but assuming he won't play at all is ridiculous. Another thing is, with my team, Yao won't have to be the guy. I think taking that element away from him will decrease his chances of getting injured.

SabasRevenge! · Post #942 » by **SabasRevenge!** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:56 am

I've got to agree that Yao's injury history should be a MAJOR consideration. Their own team doctor said that this injury threatens his career. Chronic foot problems have ended the careers of many 7-footers and Yao has shown that he is quite prone to injury since 2005.

Yao Ming games played in the last four seasons:

2004-2005: 57 (foot)
2005-2006: 48 (knee)
2006-2007: 55 (foot)
2008-2009: 77 and badly injured in the playoffs (foot)

A trade of Richard Jefferson for a healthy Yao Ming would have been easily vetoed, but a veto wasn't mentioned because of the assumption that the value was reasonably fair due to the possibility that Yao may never play again and the significant injury risk he carries even if he does come back. He hasn't been healthy in four years and will miss a fifth. If he's missing so much time now, why should we believe he'll be healthy in his 30's?

Post #943 » by **roc** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:57 am

The season he may miss is 09/10 causing him to opt in instead of explore 2010 FA.

The season we are now finishing is 09/10. The season he is missing.

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xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #945 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:21 am

Skorf, can you please make a ruling on Yao. I've had GMs tell me they are going to vote as if hes out the rest of his career. I think you need to make the decision, because if you think he will be out the rest of his career then why would you let me trade so much for nothing? Yao is out for the 2010 season, not the 2011 season which is when the grading will start. However if GMs look at Yao as if hes out for the rest of his career, I basically traded Richard Jefferson, Nick Collison and 3 picks for #19 and Marquis Daniels. I think you need to make a decision on if he will play for the 2010-2011 season, because if he isn't, my trade should have been vetoed as Yao means nothing.

Post #946 » by **roc** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:46 am

Thing is, the 2010/2011 season will not be a part of this game other than draft and FA, hence the issue. Do you really think a healthy Yao would have opted in and have been traded for that package without a truckload of vetoes? I almost sent a veto in for you getting the short end of the stick but I don't value RJ that highly so refrained.

I will look at Yao as a huge amount of salary coming off your books in 2011 and a huge draw for Chinese money in the mean time, so not too bad. Could be worse, could be Gilbert Arenas. :devil:

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #947 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:58 am

The 2010/2011 season is where our rosters will leave off. Meaning I'll have Yao for that season. I have no problem being judged as a major injury concern, as in him playing 50 games. I do have a problem with him being judged as if hes never going to play again.

If he is ruled being out the rest of his career, his salary should be cleared from the book.

bringbackhoffa · Post #948 » by **bringbackhoffa** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:13 am

50 games lol... i can see him reinjuring that foot or having another injury as he has yet to have a healthy season. you in your write up wrote:

The Thunder accept. We are taking a huge risk as Yao won't be a factor next season, but adding him for the future could win us a lot of Championships. Yao will also sell a lot of jerseys, so he will bring us in money in the meantime. We are happy to bring aboard Daniels, who plays good defense and can score in the paint, and Hayes who will provide energy off the bench.

what i get from this was that yao was gona be out for the 2010-11 season as well because i would of definately vetoed that trade, and im guessing numerous other gms would of vetoed it as well knowing he would of been back in 2010

Post #949 » by **roc** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:13 am

Pretty sure there will be an injury exception for him this coming season in real life.

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I won't be voting as if Yao is done permanently(even though it may happen) but I do have to take his history and present into consideration none the less.

You still have a strong team though so you will mos def get a nice vote from me and others come judgement time.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #950 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:30 am

r0cd0gg wrote:Pretty sure there will be an injury exception for him this coming season in real life.

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I won't be voting as if Yao is done permanently(even though it may happen) but I do have to take his history and present into consideration none the less.

You still have a strong team though so you will mos def get a nice vote from me and others come judgement time.

My point is, if ya'll are assuming he is out for the 2010-2011 season, it means he is out for his career. As of right now, he is officially only out for the 2009-2010 season, so for ya'll to assume he is out for the 2010-2011 season means he is done for his career. So if thats the case, I should have his salary cleared from my books completely.

As for my quote when I accepted the trade, I mixed up real life and the game. I do not follow this game every single day, so when I said next season I was talking about in real life he is out next season. People mix up the two, it happens.

Post #951 » by **roc** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:38 am

All I will assume for 2010/11 is that it will be a giant crapshoot to see if he makes it back, and if so, for how long, and at what level of play.

Maybe you get real lucky and Chandler's health issues balance perfectly with Yao's and you have at least one or the other for most of the games in 2010/11. :dontknow:

I do think you should get some form of injury exception so you don't take a full lux tax hit.

babyjax13 · Post #952 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:19 am

Denver has about $10 million in expirings we are looking to trade (not including Kendrick Perkins). I want to get a power forward in return, but will still consider other offers.

LeQuitterNotMVP · Post #953 » by **LeQuitterNotMVP** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:32 pm

I think that skorff should NOT make a ruling on Yao. GMs should vote based on how they think Yao will be in 2010-2011. You knew the risk when you traded for him, so you shouldn't expect people to feel sorry for you.

BlackIce · Post #954 » by **BlackIce** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:34 pm

Ok I'm back. Send in your offers.

Post #955 » by **roc** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:41 pm

Orlando can absorb around $8-9mil in salary for the right player(s)

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Nate is on the block as well.

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xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #956 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:52 pm

LBJ4MVP23 wrote:I think that skorff should NOT make a ruling on Yao. GMs should vote based on how they think Yao will be in 2010-2011. You knew the risk when you traded for him, so you shouldn't expect people to feel sorry for you.

Theres a difference between having people feel sorry for me and having my compeition vote on the situation.

CB-Blazer · Post #957 » by **CB-Blazer** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:05 pm

Willing to offer up B.J. Mullens/27th pick to move up into the 21-23 range.

skorff26 · Post #958 » by **skorff26** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:36 pm

If you think you have cap space, you need to get it confirmed with me before a trade occurs or free agency begins. Send in your numbers with your available cap space to me and I'll check against what I have.

Post #959 » by **bryant08** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:47 pm

You can have Acie Law for nothing, or Alando Tucker for a late 2nd round pick. You can have the pair for nothing if you'd like that, they're pretty damn good 3rd stringers.

bringbackhoffa · Post #960 » by **bringbackhoffa** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:02 am

Gerald Wallace is being shopped hard, i can include other players but looking for a starting SG or PF or C in return

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