Trade Idea Thread

SportsFan215 · Post #661 » by **SportsFan215** » Mon Jul 6, 2009 4:27 pm

I want the '10 first from NYK in deals with Utah, if we are bailing them out financially.

madmaxmedia · Post #662 » by **madmaxmedia** » Mon Jul 6, 2009 10:12 pm

Hooch20 wrote:How about Q-Rich and Ricky for Boozer.

I would personally do this in a heartbeat, but I can't imagine the Jazz ever doing such a thing. Boozer is a quality big man, not a contract (like ZBo sorta was.) Utah may have some issues, but dumping Boozer is not a solution.

EDIT- There's a rumor of Boozer for Rip Hamilton, which is much more along the lines of a feasible trade.

madmaxmedia · Post #663 » by **madmaxmedia** » Mon Jul 6, 2009 10:15 pm

Fishy~McFish wrote:It's not so much that we lack scorers, it's the lack of good shot opportunities. Most of our possessions we had to work hard just to get a decent shot. I think it's due to Dunleavy calling a lot of ISO plays. Either Thornton to the left side of the court, facing up and taking a tough jumpshot after overthinking, or Z-Bo getting a pass from the right side and banging in for a crazy shot that somehow manages to go in. Then the rest of the guys just stand there and watch.

Injuries played a big role too cause we did miss a lot of our best players for a fair amount of time. Players were out for weeks only to come back and having to rework to get the rust out, then to see someone else go down and watch from the side lines for a couple weeks.. etc etc..

I think Battier still works fine for us. We don't have a lot of good shooters other than Novak and Gordon.

I think injuries really hurt. We never developed any sort of MO or cohesion on offense. Part of that was the wrong mix of players IMO, but the injuries really hurt as well.

I think Houston really likes Battier, and has no intention of trading him. I would take him though. I would lean towards the other more offensive-oriented players mentioned though (Prince or Deng). Prince in particular, who is an all-around glue guy, rather than strictly offensive-minded.

SportsFan215 · Post #664 » by **SportsFan215** » Mon Jul 6, 2009 10:54 pm

jgustav1 wrote:
SportsFan215 wrote:What do you guys think about this deal?

Kaman/Thornton for Green/Watson/Wilkins

Then trade either Watson or Wilkins for a backup big man.

This would give us an upgrade at SF, and a big 3 for the future in Gordon, Green, and Griffin. It also frees up even more cap room next offseason.

OKC fans said they would probably do this deal if they sign either David Lee or Millsap to be their PF.

I'd rather make it Kaman/Thornton for Green/Krstic/Wilkins but I doubt the Thunder would be willing to give up Jeff Green for such a package. They would have to be big Kaman fans to do it. Krstic played pretty well last year for OKC, he is worth his contract.

I posted this idea in the Thunder board, and they liked it for the most part, if they were able to sign either Lee or Millsap to be their PF, since it would give them a starting 5 of Westbrook/Harden/Durant/(Lee or Millsap)/Kaman with Thornton as their 6th man.

I think Green would be the perfect SF for us, next to Griffin and Gordon. He is improving at every asset of his game, and will grow with our young guys. Plus this would give us even more cap room for next offseason. Tell LeBron he could play with Gordon, Green, and Griffin.

Post #665 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:04 pm

I thought Green was more of a 4 than a 3.

Hooch20 · Post #666 » by **Hooch20** » Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:09 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:
Hooch20 wrote:How about Q-Rich and Ricky for Boozer.

I would personally do this in a heartbeat, but I can't imagine the Jazz ever doing such a thing. Boozer is a quality big man, not a contract (like ZBo sorta was.) Utah may have some issues, but dumping Boozer is not a solution.

EDIT- There's a rumor of Boozer for Rip Hamilton, which is much more along the lines of a feasible trade.

The Q-Rich and Ricky for Boozer sucks for the Jazz. The main part was that if they'd do that, we would trade our TPE to the Jazz for Harpring. This would save the Jazz about 13 million in salary and luxury tax. This would make resigning Milsap a lot easier for them.

Hooch20 · Post #667 » by **Hooch20** » Mon Jul 6, 2009 11:12 pm

Are there any cap experts on here?

Say after the Randolph trade we have around 4 million in cap space available. Could we package the cap space and the 7.3 million TPE in a trade for Tyson Chandler?

We could then still go with the plan of trading Kaman for the best wing available. Someone like Prince.

Our lineup would then be more defensive oriented and better suited to play up tempo.

eltacoman · Post #668 » by **eltacoman** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:46 pm

would you all trade Camby to open up more playing time for Jordan

Future 1st
Javaris Crittenton
Mike James
for
Marcus Camby

SportsFan215 · Post #669 » by **SportsFan215** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 6:12 pm

Hooch20 wrote:Are there any cap experts on here?

Say after the Randolph trade we have around 4 million in cap space available. Could we package the cap space and the 7.3 million TPE in a trade for Tyson Chandler?

We could then still go with the plan of trading Kaman for the best wing available. Someone like Prince.

Our lineup would then be more defensive oriented and better suited to play up tempo.

No, because we can't pair our TPE with another player. If we trade our TPE, our incoming salary can't exceed $7.3 million.

My ideal situation would be that Utah gets desperate to shed salary, and they do:

Harpring/'10 First from NYK for TPE/future 2nd

mnkinga23 · Post #670 » by **mnkinga23** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:30 am

I'm from the Thunder boards and was wondering if you all would be interested in expanding the Richardson/Randolph deal to a three team deal:
Clippers sends Randolph and Camby/ receive Earl Watson, Chucky Atkins, D.J. White, and '11 top 10 protected first round pick
Memphis sends Richardson/ receives Randolph
Oklahoma City sends Watson, Atkins, White, '11 top 10 protected first round pick/ receive Camby and Richardson

The Clippers would do it because you would go from being 3 million over the cap to being 12 million, and if you cut Atkins, to 14 million under the cap, and you pick up a prospect in D.J. White who has some promise and played with Gordon at IU.

SportsFan215 · Post #671 » by **SportsFan215** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:08 pm

^For me, it's basically like trading Camby for a 2011 First rounder (Top 10 Protected). I wouldn't do it. Any trade with OKC has to get me Jeff Green. How about this deal?

Clippers Get: Green/Blount/Wright
Clippers Give: Kaman/Thornton

Heat Get: Kaman/Thornton/Lower '10 First from OKC (Either OKC or PHX)
Heat Give: Beasley/Blount/Wright

Thunder Get: Beasley
Thunder Give: Green/Lower '10 First (Either OKC or PHX)

SportsFan215 · Post #672 » by **SportsFan215** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:28 pm

I posted this on the trade board. What do you guys think?

Clippers Get: Green/Blount/Cook
Clippers Give: Kaman/Thornton

The Clippers get an upgrade at SF and a young backup SG, along with another 2010 expiring.

Jazz Get: Kaman
Jazz Give: Boozer

The Jazz have wanted this deal for a real center for a long time. If they also want to save money, they can do a separate deal with LAC for their TPE.

Heat Get: Boozer/Thornton/Weaver
Heat Give: Beasley/Blount/Cook

The Heat keep D-Wade happy by getting him a fellow all-star and olympian, along with a 16 PPG SF and a young backup PG. This will give the Heat a chance to move up into the discussion with the Magic, Cavs, and Celtics in the East.

Thunder Get: Beasley
Thunder Give: Green/Weaver

The Thunder pair up best friends Beasley and Durant, along with Harden and Westbrook who are all only 20 years old!!! Plus Beasley is more of a PF, while Green is more of a SF.

Hoops23 · Post #673 » by **Hoops23** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:07 am

Clippers Get: Green/Blount/Wright
Clippers Give: Kaman/Thornton

Heat Get: Kaman/Thornton/Lower '10 First from OKC (Either OKC or PHX)
Heat Give: Beasley/Blount/Wright

Thunder Get: Beasley
Thunder Give: Green/Lower '10 First (Either OKC or PHX)

No from the Heat standpoint.

Its not worth to give away Beasley, take the contract of Kaman and give up the cap space for a A+ free agent next year. Giving up the cap space for A+ FA next year is not even worth Kaman, what more if Beasley is included and frustrate Wade?

Your trade will let Wade walk and sign elsewhere next year.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #674 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:25 pm

Since Houston could use a player to fill in for Yao:

Incoming Players
Joey Dorsey
Brian Cook
Shane Battier

Outgoing Players
Marcus Camby

We get Dorsey to back up Griffin, Battir for the next 2 years to play sf and Battier who's a nice expirer.

Post #675 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:47 pm

Battier isn't an expiring. But yeah, that trade would work. I'd rather see Kaman go and build a great locker room chemistry around four hard working guys, Gordon/Griffin/Camby/Battier. And that way also the Clippers wouldn't be sacraficing any 2010 cap space.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #676 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:11 pm

I meant cook.

SportsFan215 · Post #677 » by **SportsFan215** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:57 pm

loflin3hree5ive wrote:Battier isn't an expiring. But yeah, that trade would work. I'd rather see Kaman go and build a great locker room chemistry around four hard working guys, Gordon/Griffin/Camby/Battier. And that way also the Clippers wouldn't be sacraficing any 2010 cap space.

+1

clippers23fan · Post #678 » by **clippers23fan** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:59 am

With Orlando's surprising matching of Gortat's offer sheet wouldn't a Kaman for Josh Howard deal make sense for both teams? Howard shores up our weakest position and has a team option for 2010, further increasing our cap space if we so choose to let him walk. The Mavs need frontcourt help and with the recent acquisition of Marion, Howard has become expendable.

As a Clippers fan, I'd love this move as it gets rid of the last vestige of the old halfcourt offense while bolstering a position of need while simultaneously making us even bigger players in next season's free agent sweepstakes.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #679 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:29 am

It would leave us with only Camby, Deandre and Griffin up front. Plus Howard has the same problems Thornton has. I'd prefer to get a big man back up and a rookie back. Lopez and Clark or something.

Det the Threat · Post #680 » by **Det the Threat** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:21 pm

clippers23fan wrote:With Orlando's surprising matching of Gortat's offer sheet wouldn't a Kaman for Josh Howard deal make sense for both teams? Howard shores up our weakest position and has a team option for 2010, further increasing our cap space if we so choose to let him walk. The Mavs need frontcourt help and with the recent acquisition of Marion, Howard has become expendable.

As a Clippers fan, I'd love this move as it gets rid of the last vestige of the old halfcourt offense while bolstering a position of need while simultaneously making us even bigger players in next season's free agent sweepstakes.

As mentioned before, Howard isn't all that great on defense anymore as well and our depth up front would be gone within a couple of days.
We'll lose Randolph at the end of the week, have lost Skinner already and i wouldn't want to rely on just Camby, Griffin, Jordan and some cheap big for a whole season.

I guess Camby can be had(for a good offer) but i wouldn't trade any of our bigs right now and keep them for this upcoming season. You just can't have enough bigs and with Randolph gone, all of our logjam problems up front are over as well.

Also, sf is a position were solid players are easy to be found and i think we're better off signing a cheaper vet(Barnes, Udoka etc.) who can battle it out with Al and Q(while still keeping Kaman) instead of trading away a center for someone like Howard.