Stephen Jackson or Corey Maggette???

cfan79 · Post #1 » by **cfan79** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:42 am

We could probably make a deal with Golden State for one of these two players. They seem really enamored with Stephen Curry and will probably start him at shooting guard. Baby seems like a perfect fit for Don Nelson's run and gun style and so does Eddie House.

Ed Pinkney · Post #2 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:48 am

Stephen Jackson for me out of those two. He is like Wallace, not really well liked by many and a bit of a nut job but apparently is a great team mate.

Maggette will always be a numbers man I think, even if he was to play for a veteran filled contender like the Celtics.

BillTheGOAT · Post #3 » by **BillTheGOAT** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:48 am

we can wait after the allstar break, no need to rush now for a SF when we have bill walker, but for a PG we need to sign either hudson or pruitt.

BillessuR6 · Post #4 » by **BillessuR6** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:50 am

We won`t trade for overpaid players with long contracts. It just makes no sense. They made the mistake of giving them those ridiculous deals now they have to live with it.

We have to think of the cap next season and taking on a guy like Maggette takes away all of our flexibility...paying a bench player 10 million per year is bad management...

cfan79 · Post #5 » by **cfan79** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:51 am

corndog wrote:we can wait after the allstar break, no need to rush now for a SF when we have bill walker.

I don't know if we can trust Willy Walker.(LOL sounds like Willy Wonka) Sure he has a lot of talent, but we are a title team who is in win now mode.

GreenGrizz · Post #6 » by **GreenGrizz** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:32 am

Jackson is a rich man's Posey.

The Rondo Show · Post #7 » by **The Rondo Show** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:02 pm

GreenGrizz wrote:Jackson is a rich man's Posey.

He's more like a poor man's Pierce. He does way too many things on the court to be compared to Posey. He can create for himself, create for others, rebound, defend, get to the free throw line and shoot.

Stephen Jackson would be a perfect addition to this team and would give us an unreal 8 man rotation of Rondo/Ray/Pierce/KG/Perk/Sheed/Jackson/House. He could backup both Ray and Pierce and see some small ball 4 minutes. He'd be the reason we could get away with House at PG as well, since Jackson has played a ton of point foward in Golden State and can really create well for his teammates.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Warriors are looking to move him, especially for just expirings.

St.Nick · Post #8 » by **St.Nick** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:18 pm

As a W's fan I'd deal Maggette for Glen Davis (4 years, $20M) and Scallopini.

Davis is a widebody with quickness, something we need at backup PF. Veal is simply an expiring, but could use him as our third center.

You guys could use Maggs to be your sixth man. He really thrived with GS after coming off the bench, averaging 18.6ppg/5.4rpg/48%fg/8fta in 29 mpg.

If you guys are going for it all, I'm sure you'll need more depth and Corey can provide it for you. Since we've got a ton of swingmen, we'd be better off dealing him away.

cisco · Post #9 » by **cisco** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:01 pm

St.Nick wrote:As a W's fan I'd deal Maggette for Glen Davis (4 years, $20M) and Scallopini.

Davis is a widebody with quickness, something we need at backup PF. Veal is simply an expiring, but could use him as our third center.

You guys could use Maggs to be your sixth man. He really thrived with GS after coming off the bench, averaging 18.6ppg/5.4rpg/48%fg/8fta in 29 mpg.

If you guys are going for it all, I'm sure you'll need more depth and Corey can provide it for you. Since we've got a ton of swingmen, we'd be better off dealing him away.

Danny tried to get Maggette last year with the midlevel, but he wanted more money and he got way overpaid by GS. No way Ainge takes on that contract now. Plus, we need to keep Big Baby.

BillessuR6 · Post #10 » by **BillessuR6** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:12 pm

TA for Azubuike and call it a day...

Jimmy103 · Post #11 » by **Jimmy103** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:50 pm

I think both players would be great additions of talent. If I could chose between the 2 I'd definitely rather Stephen Jackson. He seems like the type of guy who could thrive on this team. However, unfortunately both players have 4 years left on their deals and I just don't find that palatable, so I would pass on each.

Post #12 » by **ParticleMan** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:54 pm

SJax's deal isn't unreasonable for a guy of his talent. But I don't think we have the chips to get him. GS isn't going to give him away, he's their team leader.

Maggette is way overpaid, I'll pass.

cfan79 · Post #13 » by **cfan79** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:08 pm

cisco wrote:
Danny tried to get Maggette last year with the midlevel, but he wanted more money and he got way overpaid by GS. No way Ainge takes on that contract now. Plus, we need to keep Big Baby.

We don't need Baby, we can get by with a 3rd string big like Joe Smith. Our main focus should be getting another small forward and point guard.

Sid the Squid · Post #14 » by **Sid the Squid** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:16 pm

As a GS fan, I'd love to see the W's trade for Davis ..I know the C's wont take on Maggs contract and I dont see the warriors giving up Jack. How about Azubuike and Belinelli or Law for Davis?

cisco · Post #15 » by **cisco** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:26 pm

cfan79 wrote:
cisco wrote:
Danny tried to get Maggette last year with the midlevel, but he wanted more money and he got way overpaid by GS. No way Ainge takes on that contract now. Plus, we need to keep Big Baby.

We don't need Baby, we can get by with a 3rd string big like Joe Smith. Our main focus should be getting another small forward and point guard.

Joe Smith is old. With all the old players we need young energy off the bench. So yes, we need Big Baby.

cfan79 · Post #16 » by **cfan79** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:34 pm

cisco wrote:
Joe Smith is old. With all the old players we need young energy off the bench. So yes, we need Big Baby.

There isn't enough minutes to go around. We already have our main big guys, we just need a scrap minutes guy.

Sid the Squid wrote:As a GS fan, I'd love to see the W's trade for Davis ..I know the C's wont take on Maggs contract and I dont see the warriors giving up Jack. How about Azubuike and Belinelli or Law for Davis?

I'd have to think long and hard on that one. I'd probably do the Azu and Bel one. Both are solid players that might get less minutes this season because of the drafting of Curry. Baby would add something they actually need.

St.Nick · Post #17 » by **St.Nick** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:01 pm

Obviously there is no chance we'd trade both Azu and Beli for Davis. I'd do Azu, and MAYBE Marco for Davis. Curry is going to be playing a lot of point so we wouldn't just give away Marco, especially considering his very strong play before hurting his ankle last year.

celtxman · Post #18 » by **celtxman** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:45 pm

ParticleMan wrote:SJax's deal isn't unreasonable for a guy of his talent. But I don't think we have the chips to get him. GS isn't going to give him away, he's their team leader.

Maggette is way overpaid, I'll pass.

I proposed Stephen Jackson a while ago as a good candidate without much response. I have recently proposed Gerald Wallace and if both players were the same age I would prefer Jackson because of his long range shooting. But in any case both players put the Celtics to the head of the class is they could trade for expiring contracts and then match any offers to Baby.
Why would Golden State do it? As was mentioned Jackson will be getting over $10 million when he is 35. But the real issue becomes the new projections of the salary cap. Let's just say the new cap is $52 million (generous in that some teams will prepare for one published number of $50 million.) Golden State is sitting at $48.3 million in salary in long-term contracts for 2010/11 tied up in contracts assuming they renounce or trade ALL of their player options (Belinelli, Randolph,AC Law and Brandon Wright) and ALL of any trades would be for expiring contracts. So in their best case scenario they lose all of those players and now have at least 7 roster spots to fill with less than $4 million which cannot be done even with minium salaries. This from a team that is on the block. Stephen Jackson may be a leader, but at some point when you sign Monte Ellis long-term to $11 million per you are asking him to lead. And if he is not capable, Stephen Curry is more than capable of being the face of having that role. You also have plenty of depth with Azabuike, Maggette, Ellis and presumably Tony Allen at the SG/SF.
Look at how little San Antonio gave up to get Richard Jefferson, a younger player BEFORE the NBA released their salary projections. Teams looking to sell and new owners looking to buy are not looking for contracts like Jackson's.
The Rasheed signing cements the notion of a finite championship window. It is time to stop worrying about Jackson making $10 million when he isn't worth it and realize that if they win 2 championships in three years it will all be worth it. By having Jackson and Rasheed Wallace you now have the depth to survive inevitable injuries with starter quality. You continue to have lockdown defense. Cleveland is looking at the same players....Orlando can't wait to use it's $7 million trade exception. TA, Scal and House for Stephen Jackson. Match the offer to Baby. Re-sign Pruitt. See if Marbury will feel some love by upping the ante of his salary to the LLE $1.9 million.

JHTruth · Post #19 » by **JHTruth** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:00 pm

A factor here is the fact that I believe the W's have been put on the block and looking for interested buyers. Almost without exception, owners look to drastically reduce their fixed-cost base to make the assets more appealing to prospective buyers. Remember when Thanks Dad sold the C's we were literally getting guys off the scrap heap for nothing to round out our roster.

I am sure the W's would dump Maggette in a heartbeat if they could get some salary relief in return. Jackson it depends. I think either of these players could be had for the right price as I have no doubt that the W's will be leaning towards youth going forward..

cfan79 · Post #20 » by **cfan79** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:05 pm

JHTruth wrote:A factor here is the fact that I believe the W's have been put on the block and looking for interested buyers. Almost without exception, owners look to drastically reduce their fixed-cost base to make the assets more appealing to prospective buyers. Remember when Thanks Dad sold the C's we were literally getting guys off the scrap heap for nothing to round out our roster.

I am sure the W's would dump Maggette in a heartbeat if they could get some salary relief in return. Jackson it depends. I think either of these players could be had for the right price as I have no doubt that the W's will be leaning towards youth going forward..

I can't remember is that the reason Memphis traded Pau Gasol? Because they got a big bag of nothing with his fatty brother who they weren't sure would even come over.