GM a Team free agency thread 2010

bcortell · Post #21 » by **bcortell** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:54 am

That's for the number of players on the team's roster, r0cd0gg, so a team can calculate the number of min contracts needed, taking away from cap space.

LBJ is correct with how RFA count against the cap.

Post #22 » by **roc** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:11 am

The bolded section implies that a FA given an offer sheet counts as 1 of the 12 needed.

Let's say a team has 9 players accounted for they then have 3 roster spots that take up min salary cap holds. Now let's say said team offers a FA an offer sheet...

Does that subtract 1 of those 3 min contracts while adding said offer sheet to the total cap hold instead?

bcortell · Post #23 » by **bcortell** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:25 am

Oh, misunderstood what you were trying to say. And yes, you are correct.

LeQuitterNotMVP · Post #24 » by **LeQuitterNotMVP** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:10 pm

r0cd0gg wrote:The bolded section implies that a FA given an offer sheet counts as 1 of the 12 needed.

Let's say a team has 9 players accounted for they then have 3 roster spots that take up min salary cap holds. Now let's say said team offers a FA an offer sheet...

Does that subtract 1 of those 3 min contracts while adding said offer sheet to the total cap hold instead?

Ya, I think so. But, I think you have to have 12 players on your roster BEFORE you make the offer sheet, and then you can remove a minimum salary off I guess.

But the main issue here is RFAs. The QO is NOT the cap hold.

skorff26 · Post #25 » by **skorff26** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:15 pm

LBJ4MVP23 wrote:Hey guys,

When calculating your cap space, there are certain things you have to add into your team salary.

This is what included in team salary:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q14

Notables that you wouldn't think of including:

- CAP HOLDS for all FAs that you didn't renounce
- Your 1st round picks' salaries (CAN be the actual "scale" amount, not 120% - http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9302 has the 2010-11 rookie scale)
- The Rookie minimum salary ($473,604) for each available roster spot until you hit 12. (e.g. if you have 10 roster spots filled, then you have to add in $947,208 to your team salary)

Here you can find how to calculate the cap holds for your FAs:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q30 (Average salary = MLE of 2009-10 ($5,848,000) )

So for instance, the T-Wolves do not actually have $17,698,823 in cap space, as the cap hold for Foye and Gay is NOT the QO - it would actually be 300% of their salaries from 2009-10.

So, I will just do the T-Wolves as an example:

Players on roster = 8. Total salaries = $28,666,422
RFAs = 2. Total cap hold = $20,570,274
1st round picks = 2. Total cap hold = $2,822,000

So total = 12. Total team salary = $52,058,696

So, he actually has $5,241,304 in cap space. (Skorff, can you update this please?)

So hopefully this helps with calculating your cap space!

I'm pretty sure LBJ is right, it's my fault that I got the rules wrong. I hope that I didn't give anyone misinformation. Anyway, I don't have time to recalculate a couple of teams cap space, I will do it later when I get back home, sorry for any inconvenience.

LeQuitterNotMVP · Post #26 » by **LeQuitterNotMVP** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:17 pm

skorff26 wrote:I'm pretty sure LBJ is right, it's my fault that I got the rules wrong. I hope that I didn't give anyone misinformation. Anyway, I don't have time to recalculate a couple of teams cap space, I will do it later when I get back home, sorry for any inconvenience.

Alright, thanks. I'll check Phoenix's also later to make sure you got his right.

And technically I would only have to sign two of my 2nd round picks, so I guess technically I have an additional $900,000 + in cap space, but I wouldn't need it anyway so I'll ignore it.

LeQuitterNotMVP · Post #27 » by **LeQuitterNotMVP** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:24 pm

CAP ROOM FOR TEAMS:

Knicks - $31,896,035
Nets - $19,174,709 (Scola’s cap hold is only $6,569,334)
Magic – $19,432,230 (Morrow’s cap hold = MLE (I will assume it’s $5.5 million for now), 2 minimum salary players added on. Also, you have Favors’ cap hold correct, but his real salary will be 120% of the scale)
Hornets - -$13,967,916 (no cap space with the cap holds for 5 FAs and pick #13)
Clippers - $18,065,255 (Rubio's cap hold needs to be added on)
Spurs – -$3,202,812 (no cap space with Williams’ cap hold, and I’m not sure how you came up with Monroe’s salary there)
Celtics – $21,222,025 (I actually only have to add on 2 minimum salary players, as 2nd round picks don’t count in the “team salary”)
Timberwolves - $5,241,304 (like I calculated in my other post)

Grizzlies, Wizards, Suns, Kings – you all have some cap space I believe, but your rosters aren’t updated with the correct players and 2010-11 salaries, so I can’t calculate your cap space for now.

sterncohen · Post #28 » by **sterncohen** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:49 pm

Nets have bought out the third year of Dooling's contract (only $500K was guaranteed) and our actual cap space is over $19M.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #29 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:10 pm

The Thunder pick up all the team options.

LeQuitterNotMVP · Post #30 » by **LeQuitterNotMVP** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:25 pm

sterncohen wrote:Nets have bought out the third year of Dooling's contract (only $500K was guaranteed) and our actual cap space is over $19M.

OK, I think your cap space is $19,174,709 as Scola’s cap hold is only $6,569,334. (200% of his previous salary)

Post #31 » by **roc** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:26 pm

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q30

Seems like Morrow(undrafted min contract) should fall under the 1st heading "any" and not the "Early Bird (all others)".

Luckily I planned for the worst so no worries either way but...

LeQuitterNotMVP · Post #32 » by **LeQuitterNotMVP** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:33 pm

Larry Coon wrote:EARLY BIRD EXCEPTION - A player qualifies for this exception essentially after playing two seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent

but he was an undrafted FA... hmmm. this one is tough.

i think he is an early bird FA because he played 2 seasons under the contract, not 1. he's also an RFA. i'll let skorff decide this one though.

Post #33 » by **roc** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:40 pm

The one that would make the cap hold MLE specifies 'rookie scale contract' but he was an undrafted min contract player.

so yeah, a bit grey on where he falls.

calderon13 · Post #34 » by **calderon13** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:42 pm

message from clippers:

"My Cap space is around 22 million at the moment. I just got my roster page updated with the right salaries. Also, my cap space could increase if I decide to waive the unguaranteed deals of carney, nichols and price".

Post #35 » by **Miller4ever** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:45 pm

The Rockets have one team option, and it's Aaron Brooks. Let's pick it up.

SamBone · Post #36 » by **SamBone** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:19 pm

r0cd0gg wrote:The one that would make the cap hold MLE specifies 'rookie scale contract' but he was an undrafted min contract player.

so yeah, a bit grey on where he falls.

do not know were it is written, but I am 100% positive that undrafted rookies still fall under the restricted, no idea what the cap hold would be. Exact same thing that 2nd rounders fall under. Undrafted guys and 2nd rounders have the exact same scale, and early bird rites

SabasRevenge! · Post #37 » by **SabasRevenge!** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:00 pm

LBJ4MVP23 wrote:CAP ROOM FOR TEAMS:

Thanks for calculating those numbers for us, you've been a big help to this game and doing FA the right way.

LeQuitterNotMVP · Post #38 » by **LeQuitterNotMVP** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:05 pm

SabasRevenge! wrote:
LBJ4MVP23 wrote:CAP ROOM FOR TEAMS:

Thanks for calculating those numbers for us, you've been a big help to this game and doing FA the right way.

NP, I just didn't want teams offering max contracts and what not if they didn't actually have the space.

LeQuitterNotMVP · Post #39 » by **LeQuitterNotMVP** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:15 pm

calderon13 wrote:message from clippers:

"My Cap space is around 22 million at the moment. I just got my roster page updated with the right salaries. Also, my cap space could increase if I decide to waive the unguaranteed deals of carney, nichols and price".

OK, but you still have your minimum salaries wrong. Use this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtml

Make sure you use the 2010-11 salaries and for the correct year.

- Carney was drafted in 2006, so he would be in the league for 4 years, making $915,852.
- Nichols was drafted in 2007, so he would be in the league for 3 years, so you do have that right in him making $885,120.
- Price came into the league in 2005, so he would be in the league for 5 years, making $992,680.

I'm not entirely sure how minimum salary guys count in the team salary, as according to Coon, the league covers the difference if they have more than 2 years in the league. It sounds too confusing, so I'll just keep it at this; it shouldn't really affect your cap space too much anyway.

Your total is $35,399,145, giving you $21,900,855 in cap space.

bringbackhoffa · Post #40 » by **bringbackhoffa** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:31 pm

Hey LBJ4MVP i would also like to thank you for doing this it really helps alot.
I just had 1 question what is the max i can offer a player that has been in the league for 7 years and am trying to re-sign him and what is the maximum i can offer a player that is on another team for the same duration, is it 30% of the cap. I think you know the player im trying to re-sign.

Once again thanks for the help