ALL RUBIO TALK HERE

[KWSN-Men]

Wow, the twists and turns of bad information keep coming.

Using the example provided, if you apply at American Express and the only option they give you to work is 1000 miles a way, you either take it and move, or you apply for a different company. You have no right to sue because they won't give you a job next door.

If Rubio wants to fulfill his NBA dream, it goes through Minnesota until the Wolves trade his rights. So yeah, he has to play by their rules. Even if he demands a trade, the Wolves aren't required to trade him.

Rubio is free to play basketball all he wants, but if he wants to play in the highest league in the world, he has to accept the rules they've laid down.

That's wrong. If you apply to work at American Express and they say the only place you can work is somewhere you don't want to live, they don't prevent you from ever working again in that same country because you turned them down.

Actualy, you're wrong. American Express would say, "You can't work for us then". You're still allowed to work in the United States, you just go apply at VISA, or MasterCard, or some other company.

Just like in this situation, if Rubio's dream is only to play in the United States, but doesn't desire to work for the company that provides the best pay/marketing ability because he doesn't like the location, then he can go play in the CBA, or ABA, or some other basketball league.

But Rubio's dream is to play in the NBA.

Just like it would be John Doe's dream to work for AmEx, then he needs to take the job they're offering him, if he desires to accomplish that dream.

It's not Ricky Rubio's right to play in the NBA, it's a priviledge that he gets to take advantage of as long as he follows the guidelines laid down by the NBA.

It is sad that so many Americans think like this.

[nilo]

"He would not negotiate actually with the team paying the buyout after he was bought out. He would never be a free agent. So yes, the team paying the buyout would deal with Joventut to come to an agreement on that amount of money, but they would not then deal with Rubio after the fact separately."

What I meant is that under the ACB and FIBA rules a team can not aproach a player with a contract in another team. A team deals with Joventud. They make an agrrement. Then that team goes to rubio to negociate with him HIS new contract. That's what I meant.

[john2jer]

Think like what? I know you're having a hard time grasping the NBA's rules, but where exactly are you missing on this? If he wants to play for the NBA, he has to play by the rules laid down by them. Just like if I want to keep the job I have, I have to follow their rules.

It's not a tough concept to grasp.

[KWSN-Men]

Rubio's buyout as such has nothing special. In Spain every professional player (soccer, bball, etc..) has such a clause. That clause is meant to put a price beforehand for the player to be free of his contract. But that buyout (called clause 1006) is basically what a Spanish or European team has to pay to sign the player. Unless the team holding the rights wants to negotiate with the "buyer" team. But in this case it is a fact that Rubio's agents are negotiating that buyout. What for? For going to the Barça? There is no reason for that. If that was the case the negotiation goes between the Barça and the Joventud. I hope that was more clear.

Yep. Yeah, that's right.

[KWSN-Men]

Think like what? I know you're having a hard time grasping the NBA's rules, but where exactly are you missing on this? If he wants to play for the NBA, he has to play by the rules laid down by them. Just like if I want to keep the job I have, I have to follow their rules.

It's not a tough concept to grasp.

It's called Ugly American. I am not saying you are ugly or insulting you or even saying you are an ugly American, but what you are typing here is clearly showing that you appear to think the way that Americans do that get labeled that way. So many Americans say and think like that. To most of the rest of the world such comments are an outright insult.

[horaceworthy]

It is sad that so many Americans think like this.

J2J meant it more in the "it's a privilege to get paid enough to make a living playing basketball" than the "NBA is the Alpha and the Omega of basketball" sense, I believe.

[nilo]

"He would not negotiate actually with the team paying the buyout after he was bought out. He would never be a free agent. So yes, the team paying the buyout would deal with Joventut to come to an agreement on that amount of money, but they would not then deal with Rubio after the fact separately."

Mmmmm. The fact is that the player is the one who has to pay the buyout, but that is always done with the money handed buy the new club buying. That is true. But my point is. If an European team wants to sign Rubio. Rubio or Rubio's agents don't have to do any negotiation on his buyout. That just is never the case. I can't remember any other cases when that has happened aside of those players wanting to go to the NBA. But if Rubio wants to go to the Barça then he talks to his agent and sits to wait. He has nothing to negotiate with Joventud.

[KWSN-Men]

"He would not negotiate actually with the team paying the buyout after he was bought out. He would never be a free agent. So yes, the team paying the buyout would deal with Joventut to come to an agreement on that amount of money, but they would not then deal with Rubio after the fact separately."

What I meant is that under the ACB and FIBA rules a team can not aproach a player with a contract in another team. A team deals with Joventud. They make an agrrement. Then that team goes to rubio to negociate with him HIS new contract. That's what I meant.

My bad.

[john2jer]

Think like what? I know you're having a hard time grasping the NBA's rules, but where exactly are you missing on this? If he wants to play for the NBA, he has to play by the rules laid down by them. Just like if I want to keep the job I have, I have to follow their rules.

It's not a tough concept to grasp.

It's called Ugly American. I am not saying you are ugly or insulting you or even saying you are an ugly American, but what you are typing here is clearly showing that you appear to think the way that Americans do that get labeled that way. So many Americans say and think like that. To most of the rest of the world such comments are an outright insult.

Care to expand instead of talking in circles? Which thinking? That if you want to work for a company you have to follow their rules? What's tough to understand about that?

It is sad that so many Americans think like this.

J2J meant it more in the "it's a privilege to get paid enough to make a living playing basketball" than the "NBA is the Alpha and the Omega of basketball" sense, I believe.

Exactly. And if you want to have that priviledge, you have to follows the rules that organization has.

Just like having your drivers license. It's a priviledge to be able to legally drive. If you don't follow the law, then you lose your license.

[KWSN-Men]

Think like what? I know you're having a hard time grasping the NBA's rules, but where exactly are you missing on this? If he wants to play for the NBA, he has to play by the rules laid down by them. Just like if I want to keep the job I have, I have to follow their rules.

It's not a tough concept to grasp.

It's called Ugly American. I am not saying you are ugly or insulting you or even saying you are an ugly American, but what you are typing here is clearly showing that you appear to think the way that Americans do that get labeled that way. So many Americans say and think like that. To most of the rest of the world such comments are an outright insult.

Care to expand instead of talking in circles? Which thinking? That if you want to work for a company you have to follow their rules? What's tough to understand about that?

It is sad that so many Americans think like this.

J2J meant it more in the "it's a privilege to get paid enough to make a living playing basketball" than the "NBA is the Alpha and the Omega of basketball" sense, I believe.

Exactly. And if you want to have that priviledge, you have to follows the rules that organization has.

Just like having your drivers license. It's a priviledge to be able to legally drive. If you don't follow the law, then you lose your license.

Do you know what a double standard is?

[nilo]

Anyway, KWSN-Men, I see that we mostly agree on the situation. Summarizing my point: If Rubio is still negotiating himself his buyout that can only mean for me that there are still possibilities to see him this season in the NBA. We'll see.

[casey]

Think like what? I know you're having a hard time grasping the NBA's rules, but where exactly are you missing on this? If he wants to play for the NBA, he has to play by the rules laid down by them. Just like if I want to keep the job I have, I have to follow their rules.

It's not a tough concept to grasp.

It's called Ugly American. I am not saying you are ugly or insulting you or even saying you are an ugly American, but what you are typing here is clearly showing that you appear to think the way that Americans do that get labeled that way. So many Americans say and think like that. To most of the rest of the world such comments are an outright insult.

Reported for racism.

[john2jer]

Do you know what a double standard is?

Yes I do. Please tell me were the double standard lies because there isn't one.

[deeney0]

The draft rules exist for American players too. There is no double standard. And they exist to encourage competition - whether they do or not is arguable, but its better than they alternative. Without a draft the best players would sign with NY and LA and Chicago.

In Euroleague since 1999, 7 teams have made the championship game (out of 26). In the NBA, that number is 12 (out of 30). Neither is particularly competitive, but at least the NBA has a system that tries to encourage it.

[KWSN-Men]

I don't understand what one has to do with the other, at least in terms of that quote from mnWI.

I guess you are an ignorant American. Obviously everything, whatever it might be, proves that the Euroleague is far far better than the ACB.

That's why Rubio would only play 10-15 minutes for F.C.Barcelona. Because despite being better than Jaka Lakovic in the ACB, since Lakovic is a Euroleague player and has played so much better in the Euroleague than a one-handed Rubio, and the Euroleague is far far better than the ACB, Rubio would only play 10-15 minutes in F.C.Barcelona, which is exactly the reason why F.C.Barcelona would pay the highest buyout ever in the history of European basketball.

Even a four year-old kid would understand it. Why don't you?

The way you condescended to Esohny here is totally out of line. Your antics are childish.

[KWSN-Men]

That's wrong. If you apply to work at American Express and they say the only place you can work is somewhere you don't want to live, they don't prevent you from ever working again in that same country because you turned them down.

But they prevent you from working for American Express. There are other basketball leagues in the US, they are just far less lucrative. That's not American Express's fault/concern.

You could make the argument Rubio should have waited 2 years before declaring for the draft and he would still have 1 year before the 22 age rule draft. However, what if he got injured during the next 2 years? Because of that possibility he is basically forced to declare for the draft as soon as he is able to possibly be drafted high.

Plenty of US players wait a year or two or more when they could be drafted high and take the risk to go back to school. Empty argument.

You seem to lack the basic understanding that the NBA rules block the draft pick from playing in the league.

[KWSN-Men]

Think like what? I know you're having a hard time grasping the NBA's rules, but where exactly are you missing on this? If he wants to play for the NBA, he has to play by the rules laid down by them. Just like if I want to keep the job I have, I have to follow their rules.

It's not a tough concept to grasp.

It's called Ugly American. I am not saying you are ugly or insulting you or even saying you are an ugly American, but what you are typing here is clearly showing that you appear to think the way that Americans do that get labeled that way. So many Americans say and think like that. To most of the rest of the world such comments are an outright insult.

Reported for racism.

As I was told by mods in this site, Real GM believes that "American" is "not a race". Just like when they said "Spanish is not a race". Site policy.

[deeney0]

You seem to lack the basic understanding that the NBA blocks the draft pick from playing in the league.

The NBA is not the only league in the US, just as American Express is not the only company. So if your dream is to play in the NBA, you have to play by there rules, but if it's just to play in the US, you have options, you'd just make less money.

[Genjuro]

I don't understand what one has to do with the other, at least in terms of that quote from mnWI.

I guess you are an ignorant American. Obviously everything, whatever it might be, proves that the Euroleague is far far better than the ACB.

That's why Rubio would only play 10-15 minutes for F.C.Barcelona. Because despite being better than Jaka Lakovic in the ACB, since Lakovic is a Euroleague player and has played so much better in the Euroleague than a one-handed Rubio, and the Euroleague is far far better than the ACB, Rubio would only play 10-15 minutes in F.C.Barcelona, which is exactly the reason why F.C.Barcelona would pay the highest buyout ever in the history of European basketball.

Even a four year-old kid would understand it. Why don't you?

The way you condescended to Esohny here is totally out of line. Your antics are childish.

I wonder what is a 197 IQ good for. So far I'm clueless.

[KWSN-Men]

You seem to lack the basic understanding that the NBA rules block the draft pick from playing in the league.

What?

Luis Scola and David Andersen.