S&T for Josh Smith?

[elrod enchilada]

Atlanta signed Smith to a 5 year $57 million deal a year ago. Smith had a disappointing year and frequent run-ins with Coach Woodson. Rumors abound the Hawks would like to move him.The Hawks are about to ink Williams to a long-term deal and have already resigned Bibby and Pachula. They face re-upping Joe Johnson and a major extension for Horford in 2010 and 2011.

Josh Smith is also best friends with Rajon Rondo. They were roomies at Oak Hill.

How about a sign and trade with Big Baby, Scal and Allen and a 2010 no. 1 pick going to the Hawks for Smith.

The Hawks get a serviceable young forward who is not a head case who can play the 4 or 5 and complement Horford and Zazu. They get oodles of cap relief.

The Cs get a very talented young forward who can thrive with some veterans kicking his tail. Smith can be the big 3 as well as a fine 4. Wallace and Smith provide the backup for the front court. Play 25-28 mpg each.

Wyc has to be willing to pay the salary. Very big if. Especially because Smith has a suicide pill trade kicker. But the upside for the Cs with the deal is possibly high enough to justify the risk.

[greenbeans]

It might be tricky to figure out the rotations at first, but who cares. Big yes from me, not sure about Atl though.

[Kaykoose]

Not trying to be an ass, but where do you guys get these trade ideas from? We can't just obtain good players for our trash

[BRUNiNHO91]

Scal for Smith??What?? Are you **** crazy????? We need Scal for next eyar, when we try to trade for Wade..you tripping...

[ParticleMan]

LOL. this is cfan-esque.

[JR_SMITH_23]

Atlanta signed Smith to a 5 year $57 million deal a year ago. Smith had a disappointing year and frequent run-ins with Coach Woodson. Rumors abound the Hawks would like to move him.The Hawks are about to ink Williams to a long-term deal and have already resigned Bibby and Pachula. They face re-upping Joe Johnson and a major extension for Horford in 2010 and 2011.

Josh Smith is also best friends with Rajon Rondo. They were roomies at Oak Hill.

How about a sign and trade with Big Baby, Scal and Allen and a 2010 no. 1 pick going to the Hawks for Smith.

The Hawks get a serviceable young forward who is not a head case who can play the 4 or 5 and complement Horford and Zazu. They get oodles of cap relief.

The Cs get a very talented young forward who can thrive with some veterans kicking his tail. Smith can be the big 3 as well as a fine 4. Wallace and Smith provide the backup for the front court. Play 25-28 mpg each.

Wyc has to be willing to pay the salary. Very big if. Especially because Smith has a suicide pill trade kicker. But the upside for the Cs with the deal is possibly high enough to justify the risk.

Warning for trolling and calling people names. canman

[Darth Celtic]

on top of that baby is byc if traded, and i am pretty sure smith is too. real gm has him listed as trade restriction because of offer sheet matched still.

either way, if they did trade him, it would be for more then ending contracts and a late, late first round pick. come on guys.

[basketballnj21]

You are dumb. Where do you guys come up with these (Please Use More Appropriate Word) proposals.

[Fencer reregistered]

BYC on Davis needn't be a killer, depending on exactly what the numbers are.

No doubt the deal would include Davis, Walker, and filler.

But I don't see why Atlanta does it even so. Just money?

[BRUNiNHO91]

People need to chill out and stop calling Elrod names(idiot, dumb, etc). There have been alot stupid trade threads, this isn't even up there with. No need for personal attacks.. Maturity goes long ways...

[avi623]

Elrod has written legitimate articles on this website with some good insight. He has a track record for being a reasonable person.

With that said, this is one of the most ridiculous proposals I have ever read on this board. The Hawks would have no interest in Scal and TA. Our #1 pick in 2010 will be at the back end of the 1st round. And this is vastly overrating BBD. Why would ATL trade its 2nd best player for an undersized backup power forward? They were a 2nd round playoff team last year. They are young and improving. They will not challenge the big 3 teams of the east, but that is no reason to essentially blow it all up. This is a combination of overrating BBD and not even remotely considering the interests of the other team involved. If they move Josh Smith, it will be for way more than this. Just an absolutely awful proposal.

And I have not even begun to grapple with the problem of putting a player who thinks he is better than he is (Josh Smith) in a backup role. Not even KG could explain that one to him. This absolutely makes no sense. I cannot stress enough that this is one of the worst trade proposals I have ever seen.

Now, if we want to go back to planet earth, we can try to figure out a way where you do something like this but with Josh Childress in return. I don't think you can sign and trade RFA's for each other though (correct me if I am wrong).

[sully00]

The reality is the only thing ATL is going to get for Smith is a good young player and expiring deals. Stop acting like the players Scal and TA matter. The Jazz can't move Boozer at 12 mil for one year for anything and he is an All Star, Smith has a 4 years and 48 mil left on his deal and he is knucklehead paid like and All Star.

He can't be traded without his approval until 8/8 a year after he signed his deal.

I don't think Glen Davis is the guy the ATL will want for Smith. But I doubt that the ATL is going to get much for him if they have to deal him now.

Smith for Boston is a weird situation, he is perfect physically and could slide into the starting role in a year with Pierce going to the SG spot. But he also has got a ton of issues and I know this the home of wayward basketball talents but not when they are owed 50 mil bucks.

[Andrew McCeltic]

This is an intriguing idea- obviously, it's not a fair trade talent-wise- but talent is not always the only factor in trades. Scal/TA/Davis for Smith clears a ton of payroll for the Hawks and articulates their roster and roles in a way they need. The Williams/Horford/Smith rotation won't work with everyone healthy and having developed as players. Smith is the one to go- they could probably get a player like Rip Hamilton as insurance for Joe Johnson leaving, but as a salary dump, this thread's offer makes sense.

Smith becomes an ideal backup at the 3 and 4, with the hope that you can groom him into replacing Pierce or Garnett down the line.

[KyleCleric]

if we did try to make a trade for Josh Smith. It'd probably have to involve Ray. In an S&T, you can't trade players along with the S&T player unless you do the deal in multiple parts. If Ray is not involved, Scal, House, and Allen pretty much have to be involved. Allen could perhaps not be in the deal, but then Giddens, Walker, and Pruitt would all have to be in it. The second part of the deal would then be something like Glen Davis for Maurice Evans and Randolph Morris. So I guess, Glen Davis, Scal, House, and Allen (or Giddens, Walker, and Pruitt) for Josh Smith, Maurice Evans, and Randolph Morris.

[Fencer reregistered]

In an S&T, you can't trade players along with the S&T player unless you do the deal in multiple parts.

When did THAT get into the CBA? Are you sure you aren't mixing it up with the rules about trading a player you just acquired via trade?

[TMU]

And the Hawks do exactly what when Ray's contract expires?

[sully00]

In an S&T, you can't trade players along with the S&T player unless you do the deal in multiple parts.

When did THAT get into the CBA? Are you sure you aren't mixing it up with the rules about trading a player you just acquired via trade?

If he isn't I am.

Davis at a little over 5 mil and TA/Scal for Smith works both ways with Davi's BYC. We could include Pruitt so that Davis is money is cut down to 4 mil or so. In the end they could get Davis on a 3 year 12mil dollar deal compared to paying that for one year of Smith who hates his coach. Not saying I think it is likely but this is a team that can turn around and give the difference to Marvin Williams so it means more than just a talent for talent trade.

[elrod enchilada]

I knew this was a wild idea, so I appreciate the defense on the board.

Can Atlanta have three well-over-MLE forwards to divvy up the minutes, assuming they plan to extend Horford? Possibly. Probably not. And Horford is much more a 4 than a 5, at least if the Hawks want to actually do any damage in May and June. Especially if they plan to keep Joe Johnson at big bucks. That will put them into luxury tax land. Can Atlanta do better than this deal on the open market? Possibly, but no certainty. Go down the list of teams who would be willing to assume a deal that at present has Smith being overpaid for what he produces and who would be willing to cut Smith a separate $6 million check the day after the deal. And who will offer more then the Cs could offer in this deal. And who will make the deal sooner rather than later. The list is short.

Smith holds much greater value to a team like the Cs because the veterans and Rondo would keep him in line. Portland has lots of $$$, but they are scared to death of players with Smith's reputation. The traditional knucklehead franchises like Memphis and the Clippers are all too cheap to make a deal like this, and Smith would flounder in their environment.

None of the other contenders are in a position to deal for Smith, or at least they are no better positioned than the Cs.

If anything, it is Wyc who would kibosh this deal for cash reasons. With the salary cap falling next year, and the luxury cap coming it at a lower level, the market for players like Smith is likely to be weak, unless Smith starts playing a lot better. Pretty much any team that trades for Smith is going to be close to luxury tax land, and certainly over the cap.

Smith's game went south last year. His ft shooting was horrid. He was banged up a bit, but still he is at an age where he should be dramatically improving. The Cs would be assuming a huge risk in the deal. The Hawks are assuming a huge risk in holding him. If last year is what Smith has in store for the future, the Hawks would pray for a deal like this in 12 months.

And if Smith gets his game back on track, he is well worth the salary. One would be more optimistic if he did not have the knucklehead tag. He is a season or two away from the Zach Randolph--Corey Maggette designation: great numbers, but a total loser.

The deal almost certainly won't happen. But it is hardly a rape of the Hawks. It makes sense for the Cs because our forwards are 33 and 32 respectively; Atlanta's each turned 23 last month, and are younger than Josh Smith. Someone is going to go, and with the Hawks decision to sign Marvin Williams to a big deal, Smith seems like the likely candidate.

[GreenGrizz]

It would be a dangerous move. I think Smith is just a flash in the pan. He may be an all-star but he wouldn't win you games when we need him.

[s1ickd]

why would you want 3 out of our 5 best players playing the same position?