Chevelle2 wrote:Wait hold on. Why would the ORL news be on a 1:48 am???
Seems like there is still hope for you as nothing is official yet. Good luck, feel bad reading your comments lol
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Chevelle2 wrote:Wait hold on. Why would the ORL news be on a 1:48 am???
ponder276 wrote:This is a good move, because:
a) People act like the full MLE is some crazy amount to pay for a good backup C, but it's really not. Hell, Detroit signed the useless Kwame Brown to a $4 mil/year deal, Boston is paying a washed-up Sheed the MLE to be their backup C, Pryzbilla makes the full MLE backing up Oden, Big Z will make $11.5 mil to back up Shaq, Chicago pay Brad Miller over $12 mil/year to back up Noah, etc. It's simply not a particularly large amount of money for a very good backup C
b) Gortat could start on a bunch of teams, and is a great deal at the full MLE. By matching this offer they have a great trade chip for the future (probably a year from now, when his BYC wears off)
DowJones wrote:DowJones wrote:dwighty111 wrote:lol
i remember after the VC trade, cavs fans kept on pouncing on the magic with this:
hedo, lee, battie, gortat >>> vc, anderson
without even thinking that jameer did not play against them in the playoffs. so in reality, it is now
HEDO < VC
BATTIE < BASS
LEE ~ ANDERSON
Gortat = Gortat
im sure they'll still find a way to say that the magic regressed.
Hedo>VC
Battie<Bass
Lee>Anderson
Gortat=Gortat
That's about the way it goes. VC might be a better overall player, but he gets his stats on isolations and dribble-drive. Hedo absolutely killed Cleveland with his reads on the pick and roll, partly because Cleveland is a HARD hedging team. They hedge the pick and roll as hard as any team in the league and Hedo's height (6-10) really gave him an advantage over the guys Cleveland is used to hedging because he could see over the defenders and make a really good read.
Plus Cleveland had nobody to matchup with Hedo. If they put James on him then who guards Shard? And if they put James on Shard then you have the 6-3 Delonte West on the 6-10 Hedo. Now Cleveland has a solid backup wing in Anthony Parker (6-6) so he can matchup with Vince and LeBron can stick with Shard when Orlando goes small. Delonte can then apply his pit-bull defense to Nelson.
I think overall Orlando improved slightly when you factor everything in, but I think their moves make it easier for Cleveland to matchup with them. I think VC and Bass helps them out against a healthy Boston and LA, but it hurts them against teams like Cleveland and San Antonio. That is my honest opinion.
In terms of matching up against Cleveland, God yes. And that is all I care about and I was responding to an Orlando fan asking how Cleveland fans would react.
Like I said, I think Orlando got slightly better overall but they do become more conventional for Cleveland to defend. Orlando fans harped on matchups all last year so they know how important they are. Cleveland has added strength in the post and length on the perimeter and Orlando has gone more conventional. Those 2 things are good news for Cleveland.
Soul wrote:IF we retain him, I like it. We were paying Battie a **** and nobody said anything about backup center money.
JoNoNRose wrote:Chevelle2 wrote:Wait hold on. Why would the ORL news be on a 1:48 am???
Seems like there is still hope for you as nothing is official yet. Good luck, feel bad reading your comments lol
ponder276 wrote:This is a good move, because:
a) People act like the full MLE is some crazy amount to pay for a good backup C, but it's really not. Hell, Detroit signed the useless Kwame Brown to a $4 mil/year deal, Boston is paying a washed-up Sheed the MLE to be their backup C, Pryzbilla makes the full MLE backing up Oden, Big Z will make $11.5 mil to back up Shaq, Chicago pay Brad Miller over $12 mil/year to back up Noah, etc. It's simply not a particularly large amount of money for a very good backup C
mattyBoi wrote:
LOLOLOL your ridiculous man...Its hilarious, how did we become a half court team, and since when were we an uptempo team?...We have always ran both whenever we have opportunities...You don't Jameer can push the pace like Alston? haha right...You dont think Vince can push the pace like Hedo? haha right...Just come to grips with it bro Magic have gotten better.
colangelo wrote:Nowitzki walk in with Maytricks and says welcome to horse team and championship time.
mattyBoi wrote:
LOLOLOL your ridiculous man...Its hilarious, how did we become a half court team, and since when were we an uptempo team?...We have always ran both whenever we have opportunities...You don't Jameer can push the pace like Alston? haha right...You dont think Vince can push the pace like Hedo? haha right...Just come to grips with it bro Magic have gotten better.
Rand10 wrote:So this is all based on some supposed insider on a message board?
BrooklynBulls wrote:mattyBoi wrote:
LOLOLOL your ridiculous man...Its hilarious, how did we become a half court team, and since when were we an uptempo team?...We have always ran both whenever we have opportunities...You don't Jameer can push the pace like Alston? haha right...You dont think Vince can push the pace like Hedo? haha right...Just come to grips with it bro Magic have gotten better.
What Cleveland fans see as conventional, everybody else on earth sees as versatile.
Do Cavs fans actually think Orlando doesn't know what helped them vs. the Magic? They're not about to play Bass at PF for large stretches instead of Lewis, not against the Cavs. Because they know Varejao's got no chance, none, against him.
And if you think Carter's going to do anything but exactly what Turkoglu does, except better, you'd be wrong about that too.
They'll miss Courtney Lee, just a bit...he gave them a defensive spark, some good shooting, some good slashing. But it's nothing Pietrus can't largely replace.
Swapping Carter for Turkoglu, Bass for Battie, and Gortat for Gortat, I don't know how that can make anybody in the East happy except for Magic fans.