For what it's worth... [free agency: 7/8]

[fishercob]

Bingo. Blair's worth the risk to the Spurs. They're a veteran team with highly-decorated veteran bigs for Blair to lean on and learn from. We have McGee and Blatche as high-upside young bigs. We don't need another -- especially not one like Blair who the league basically sees as a ticking time bomb.

Even if we had drafted him and given us two or three good years before his knees exploded, what would that really get us? He's not the missing piece to a title, and he'd hinder the development of the two guys on this roster whose reaching of their potential could be the missing piece to a championship.

But Fish, one can very well say the same thing about the Miller & Foye acquistions.

Perhaps. We don't know yet. If we don't re-sign either guy (or Haywood) then yes, I think the trade fails. But until then, we can't fully judge it.

However, a main difference between those guys and Blair is that the Wiz don't have high upside talent at their positions the way they do with McGee and Blatche (yes, I am writing off Nick Young. I understand this will send a subset of people here into convulsions. I'm okay with that). Heck, Foye is a high upside guy when you consider his age and draft position.

[nate33]

However, a main difference between those guys and Blair is that the Wiz don't have high upside talent at their positions the way they do with McGee and Blatche (yes, I am writing off Nick Young. I understand this will send a subset of people here into convulsions. I'm okay with that). Heck, Foye is a high upside guy when you consider his age and draft position.

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Pace-Adjusted Per-36
foye,rand  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO eFG%  TS%  PER  AGE
2008-09   16.5  3.1  4.4  1.0  0.4  2.2 .463 .517 13.7   25
2007-08   14.6  3.7  4.7  1.0  0.1  2.3 .495 .520 12.7   24
2006-07   16.0  4.2  4.5  1.0  0.4  2.9 .483 .536 13.9   23

young,nic  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO eFG%  TS%  PER  AGE
2008-09   17.6  3.0  1.9  0.8  0.4  1.8 .481 .528 12.9   23
2007-08   17.9  3.7  2.0  1.1  0.2  3.0 .481 .527 11.7   22

I'm just sayin'

[Kanyewest]

However, a main difference between those guys and Blair is that the Wiz don't have high upside talent at their positions the way they do with McGee and Blatche (yes, I am writing off Nick Young. I understand this will send a subset of people here into convulsions. I'm okay with that). Heck, Foye is a high upside guy when you consider his age and draft position.

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Pace-Adjusted Per-36
foye,rand  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO eFG%  TS%  PER  AGE
2008-09   16.5  3.1  4.4  1.0  0.4  2.2 .463 .517 13.7   25
2007-08   14.6  3.7  4.7  1.0  0.1  2.3 .495 .520 12.7   24
2006-07   16.0  4.2  4.5  1.0  0.4  2.9 .483 .536 13.9   23

young,nic  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO eFG%  TS%  PER  AGE
2008-09   17.6  3.0  1.9  0.8  0.4  1.8 .481 .528 12.9   23
2007-08   17.9  3.7  2.0  1.1  0.2  3.0 .481 .527 11.7   22

I'm just sayin'

I have to agree with Nate that Young still has upside.

On a random note though, I was wondering how PER is calculated? I'm struggling to put my arms why Young 2nd season has a higher PER in the 08-09 than Foye's 2nd year in the 07-08 season. Yes Young averaged more points per game and is slightly more efficient, but Foye averaged more assists and rebounds and had a much better assist to turnover ratio.

[MJG]

However, a main difference between those guys and Blair is that the Wiz don't have high upside talent at their positions the way they do with McGee and Blatche (yes, I am writing off Nick Young. I understand this will send a subset of people here into convulsions. I'm okay with that). Heck, Foye is a high upside guy when you consider his age and draft position.

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Pace-Adjusted Per-36
foye,rand  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO eFG%  TS%  PER  AGE
2008-09   16.5  3.1  4.4  1.0  0.4  2.2 .463 .517 13.7   25
2007-08   14.6  3.7  4.7  1.0  0.1  2.3 .495 .520 12.7   24
2006-07   16.0  4.2  4.5  1.0  0.4  2.9 .483 .536 13.9   23

young,nic  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO eFG%  TS%  PER  AGE
2008-09   17.6  3.0  1.9  0.8  0.4  1.8 .481 .528 12.9   23
2007-08   17.9  3.7  2.0  1.1  0.2  3.0 .481 .527 11.7   22

I'm just sayin'

I have to agree with Nate that Young still has upside.

On a random note though, I was wondering how PER is calculated? I'm struggling to put my arms why Young 2nd season has a higher PER in the 08-09 than Foye's 2nd year in the 07-08 season. Yes Young averaged more points per game and is slightly more efficient, but Foye averaged more assists and rebounds and had a much better assist to turnover ratio.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html

I'm sure if you dig through it enough, you'll find the specific number that gives N1 the advantage. "If" being the key word there. Me, I'll just have faith.

[nate33]

On a random note though, I was wondering how PER is calculated? I'm struggling to put my arms why Young 2nd season has a higher PER in the 08-09 than Foye's 2nd year in the 07-08 season. Yes Young averaged more points per game and is slightly more efficient, but Foye averaged more assists and rebounds and had a much better assist to turnover ratio.

Points count more than assists. A point is a point. An assist is only partial credit on a point.

[sCoTTYwIN]

what a joke. ernie could spend Abe's money carte blanche. but he is thinking if he breaks the bank and we clown out again, then he'll be sent packing like EJ. he just has to stay one step ahead of ol' Abe... in the meantime everyone else has gotten better and we have gotten (washed up) Mike Miller.

1 and done here we come...

[Kanyewest]

what a joke. ernie could spend Abe's money carte blanche. but he is thinking if he breaks the bank and we clown out again, then he'll be sent packing like EJ. he just has to stay one step ahead of ol' Abe... in the meantime everyone else has gotten better and we have gotten (washed up) Mike Miller.

1 and done here we come...

Don't forget Randy Foye. Ultimately, the belief that the Wizards will improve is when guys like Gilbert Arenas and Brendan Haywood are healthy who were injured for most of the season.

While the Wizards have been saying that Arenas is healthy, I'll believe it when I see it on the court. I can't imagine Grunfeld or a Wizards representative saying, it looks like he's lost a step. That being said, I'm hopeful that Arenas can return back to 100% and return to his all star form.

[sCoTTYwIN]

what a joke. ernie could spend Abe's money carte blanche. but he is thinking if he breaks the bank and we clown out again, then he'll be sent packing like EJ. he just has to stay one step ahead of ol' Abe... in the meantime everyone else has gotten better and we have gotten (washed up) Mike Miller.

1 and done here we come...

Don't forget Randy Foye. Ultimately, the belief that the Wizards will improve is when guys like Gilbert Arenas and Brendan Haywood are healthy who were injured for most of the season.

While the Wizards have been saying that Arenas is healthy, I'll believe it when I see it on the court. I can't imagine Grunfeld or a Wizards representative saying, it looks like he's lost a step. That being said, I'm hopeful that Arenas can return back to 100% and return to his all star form.

this team peaked 3 years at that free throw line imo...

while i also hope that gil is 100%, more crucial is going to be the play of Brenda, who has a lot more on his shoulders than people realize... having never averaged more than 27 mins/game in 9 years, he has to prove he is good enough. this is a contract year for BTH too which i hope keeps him motivated. otherwise, EG will have to spend some of Abe's precious millions to get a real center with the money on the 2010 FA market, something that is suck to wait around for, especially after last season

[HMFFL]

Wizard offer Fabricio Oberto contract.

The Washington Wizards have made a contract offer to former Spurs center Fabricio Oberto, traded to the Milwaukee Bucks as part of the package that brought Richard Jefferson to the Spurs in a three-team, pre-draft trade with the Detroit Pistons last month.

Terms of Washington’s offer to Oberto aren’t known. He was released by the Pistons after the deal was completed. Detroit remains obligated to pay $1.9million of Oberto’s partially guaranteed $3.8 million contract.

Oberto was the starting center during the Spurs’ playoff run to the 2007 NBA title. In 274 games with the Spurs, the only NBA team he’s appeared for, Oberto averaged 3.6 points and 3.9 rebounds in 15.3 minutes per game. Link

[Kanyewest]

Oh boy, here we go. The start of the "The Wizards going to regret not drafting *insert man crush here*"

I must say, of all the regrets over the past few drafts...I can't say that I've felt the sting.

Fair enough, JWiz. Please insert DaJuan Summers for me.

In a year or two, Summers > Butler

I believe you're right.

I have to wonder if DaJuan Summers will even get playing time over Austin Daye.

[Kanyewest]

Wizard offer Fabricio Oberto contract.

The Washington Wizards have made a contract offer to former Spurs center Fabricio Oberto, traded to the Milwaukee Bucks as part of the package that brought Richard Jefferson to the Spurs in a three-team, pre-draft trade with the Detroit Pistons last month.

Terms of Washington’s offer to Oberto aren’t known. He was released by the Pistons after the deal was completed. Detroit remains obligated to pay $1.9million of Oberto’s partially guaranteed $3.8 million contract.

Oberto was the starting center during the Spurs’ playoff run to the 2007 NBA title. In 274 games with the Spurs, the only NBA team he’s appeared for, Oberto averaged 3.6 points and 3.9 rebounds in 15.3 minutes per game. Link

Interesting. This might be worthy of its own thread

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wizard offer Fabricio Oberto contract.

The Washington Wizards have made a contract offer to former Spurs center Fabricio Oberto, traded to the Milwaukee Bucks as part of the package that brought Richard Jefferson to the Spurs in a three-team, pre-draft trade with the Detroit Pistons last month.

Terms of Washington’s offer to Oberto aren’t known. He was released by the Pistons after the deal was completed. Detroit remains obligated to pay $1.9million of Oberto’s partially guaranteed $3.8 million contract.


Oberto was the starting center during the Spurs’ playoff run to the 2007 NBA title. In 274 games with the Spurs, the only NBA team he’s appeared for, Oberto averaged 3.6 points and 3.9 rebounds in 15.3 minutes per game. Link

I'm sure they're trying to be cheap, since Detroit's paying half....

Okay, so Detroit dumps Oberto for cap reasons when all they've got at C is Kwame Brown ...

And this is what was said about Blair after his first SL action:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/nba/ ... oards.html

From his courtside seat at UNLV's Cox Pavilion, New Orleans coach Byron Scott shook his head in amazement.

“That is a man down there,” Scott said, motioning in the direction of the wide-bodied Blair.

Six minutes into his stint, Blair already had five rebounds.

“If there's a rebound, he's going to go get it,” said Spurs assistant coach Don Newman, who is guiding the summer league squad. “He has such a knack for that. He does it better than anybody did it in the college game.”

It was Blair, however, who generated the most silver-and-black buzz. He was the last Spurs player to leave the arena after the game, held up by a media horde clamoring for his attention.

So I'll say .... *YAWN* .... looks like the Wizards have a veteran big man who'll be no damned good, Oberto. Of course they're paying him at least 3 times what Blair would have cost.

[yungal07]

I hope Oberto accepts. He would be a good vet backup behind Mcgee/Blatche.

[Kanyewest]

So I'll say .... *YAWN* .... looks like the Wizards have a veteran big man who'll be no damned good, Oberto. Of course they're paying him at least 3 times what Blair would have cost.

Drafting and signing a 2nd round pick to $800,000; and it would have cost another $800,000 since the Wizards are over the luxury. Also factor in that the Wizards received $2.5 million in cash so overall the Wizards saved $4.1 million. The Wizards are going to spend more total in signing Oberto if they pay him more than $2.05 million this season.

[omegatronic3]

Oberto would be a great addition...he's the kind of junkyard dog type guy we need. I dont know why the Spurs and Detroit would dump him? Maybe his talent dropped off....Detroit must be nuts to dump him over Kwame????

I would think that the Spurs were hoping to get him back off waivers but he would be a great pickup because we could play him at the 4 or 5

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

So I'll say .... *YAWN* .... looks like the Wizards have a veteran big man who'll be no damned good, Oberto. Of course they're paying him at least 3 times what Blair would have cost.

Drafting and signing a 2nd round pick to $800,000; and it would have cost another $800,000 since the Wizards are over the luxury. Also factor in that the Wizards received $2.5 million in cash so overall the Wizards saved $4.1 million. The Wizards are going to spend more total in signing Oberto if they pay him more than $2.05 million this season.

If the Wizards pay Oberto 2 Mil doesn't that become 4 Mil, with the tax factored in? I'm admittedly clueless on cap stuff.

What I do strongly believe is that Blair is WAY BETTER than Oberto.

[Kanyewest]

So I'll say .... *YAWN* .... looks like the Wizards have a veteran big man who'll be no damned good, Oberto. Of course they're paying him at least 3 times what Blair would have cost.

Drafting and signing a 2nd round pick to $800,000; and it would have cost another $800,000 since the Wizards are over the luxury. Also factor in that the Wizards received $2.5 million in cash so overall the Wizards saved $4.1 million. The Wizards are going to spend more total in signing Oberto if they pay him more than $2.05 million this season.

If the Wizards pay Oberto 2 Mil doesn't that become 4 Mil, with the tax factored in?

Signing Blair + Tax= $1.6 (assuming Blair's salary equals $800,000)
Selling the 2nd round pick Blair = 2.5

So overall, the Wizards saved $4.1 million selling/not signing the 2nd round pick.

Since $2.05 million = $4.1 million, spending less than $2.05 million means that the Wizards save money and if they spend more than $2.05 million, it would have been cheaper to draft and sign a 2nd round pick.

[WashWiz54]

Ben Wallace just got a buyout and it'd be a smart move on Ernie's part to make a move. Ben is no longer a DPOY candidate or even an elite defender but he is what we need. He can still play some D and most of all he is as intimating as they come. Also he is a no-nonsense type of guy which would really help McGee and Blatche as young bigmen on the up.

Why would Ben come here? Well we were his original team, he went to Virginia Union and he could reunite with Flip. I'm sure he wouldn't demand much as he just got a $10 million buyout.

I think he'd be much better than Fabrico Oberto.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ben Wallace just got a buyout and it'd be a smart move on Ernie's part to make a move. Ben is no longer a DPOY candidate or even an elite defender but he is what we need. He can still play some D and most of all he is as intimating as they come. Also he is a no-nonsense type of guy which would really help McGee and Blatche as young bigmen on the up.

Why would Ben come here? Well we were his original team, he went to Virginia Union and he could reunite with Flip. I'm sure he wouldn't demand much as he just got a $10 million buyout.

I think he'd be much better than Fabrico Oberto.

+1

[Kanyewest]

Ben Wallace on Flip Saunders

“No. I just didn’t like the way we handled things,” Wallace said. “I hear [Pistons coach Flip Saunders] saying now that I’m gone he can open up his playbook. I laugh at it. Everyone’s looking for something, and for him to say that, he’s fishing for getting a reaction out of me. It’s funny to me, real comical. I never thought you could win when you’ve got five guys on the floor looking for the ball and no one out there doing the little things. So that’s on him. If he feels like that, go ahead.”

“I have no relationship with him. He’s coach and I’m a player, and that’s as far as it went. If you say your door is always open and we can always talk about things and you’ll be willing to listen, and when I come to him to talk about something that’s bothering me that I think is hurting the team, if you don’t do anything to change it, then that’s the last time I need to talk to you.”

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/trainingc ... id=2614363