Tom Moore 2.0

[76erinSJ]

I wish that every sport had non guaranteed contracts and no cap. The luxury tax the NBA has is also just pure bs and limits the franchises from what they can actually do.

[LongLiveHinkie]

The NBA is a players league and the NFL is an owners league. I wish there would be no guaranteed contracts too. But if they would just make them not count against the cap if they are released, that would at least fix some of the damage.

[radrmd216]

I would prefer non guarentee contracts especially since these guys are making millioon of dollars, but I'd be fine with guarenteed contracts as long asa player isnt guarenteed a raise. The majority of the players in the league get raises and alomost all of them don't deserve. if the economy is still bad when the CBA expires hopefully the NBAPA has to concede soem things.

[76erinSJ]

Ya the raises in this league are just stupid. No one should be givin a 37 year old J Kidd 3 years 25 mil.
If the contracts werent guaranteed then the players would work their asses off every year and not just in contract years. Too many players in this league cost for years then outta nowhere have a career year to cash in then coast again for years. Its a disgrace to the game.

[KKell2507]

Guaranteed contracts and the soft salary cap BS is the reason for the NBA being the way it is. There's no tanking in other sports because the contracts aren't guaranteed, so even if a team fails as a whole, each individual player works its ass off to get their bonuses so no tanking occurs.

Also the soft cap with BS things like the MLE and LLE are the reason why the league is so top heavy. Even if it was a soft cap but there were no MLE's it would be more competitive, because teams like the Lakers wouldnt be able to sign Ron Artest, or Boston be able to sign Rasheed Wallace. Thats what happens over and over and over again in the NBA and its a vicious cycle that needs to be ended.

The NFL is by far the most exciting and competitive league out there because it is the most fairly run for the owners, players, and fans. Players have plenty of chance to make big money but a lot of it is performance based which is the way it should be. Owners get the cap limit so a less wealthy owner's team can't be beaten out by a bigger market team because of resources like in baseball(Yankees compared to Rays). And then Fans get the most excitement because every year they go in knowing their team may have a chance to surprise(falcons and dolphins fans last year) because the league is so evenly spread. The closer the NBA gets to the NFl model the much better off the NBA will be.

[ryst]

Just a question... the people who are so adament about the fact that we should sign miller,...

do you think he will get us to a championship level over the next three years?

so just because the sixers cant win a championship in the next year or even the next 3 years(and how do you know that? anything can happen) they should not improve the team?

if you want to go that route then why did they sign Iguodala or Brand? it was very clear none of them will make this team a championship team.
might as well just sign a bunch of minimum contract players instead of paying big money . they wont win anything anyway.

Mille is not the issue , he is just the reality of the problem , i understand that the sixers can come to basketball input that Miller is not right man for that team.
so why not sign a replacement? when they say they want to come into the season with Williams and a rookie to man the pg position( the most important position in a basketball team) they say to us fans that they dont want to win , they just want to spend as less money as possible and see how it goes, no plan, just hope that they will luck out.

i know now people will come and say that they spend on Iguodala and Brand but that was last year, they decided that from now on(mostly because of the failure of the Iguodala and brand signings) they wont spend anything.
because it takes too much money to put a title contender on the floor, you need to over pay sometimes,you even need to pay luxary tax, thats just how it is.
and the sixers dont want to do it.

[corwin]

It's not Ed's fault Iggy and Brand got escalating contracts. they were going to get escalating contracts wither way, but I think he could have signed Iggy for less. I don't know the number but there can't be that many declining contracts.

Ed negotiated these contracts so how is he not responsible? Personally I give him a pass on the Brand contract because that one had to escalate to give him max dollars. Iggy's contract is another matter.

[KKell2507]

ryst, i dont understand what you want Ed to do? Do you really think spending money on any free agent in this free agent class(andre miller included) will make the Sixers a contender? Ed through all his cards into what he had available last season to get Elton Brand, the best free agent on the market. he did everything he possibly could have done last season to make the Sixers a contender last year and it didnt work. So now hes got to adjust things.

We have money invested in Lou Williams for the next 4 years. We also just drafted jrue holiday who we want to be the future at PG but dont know if he will be. So why spend more money on another player that we dont know whether they will work or not when we already have two guys WE ARE SPENDING MONEY on that we dont know whether they will work or not either?

Stefanski offered Miller 6mil for 1year but he doesnt want it. No other team is going to give him much more than that but MIller and his agent are hell bent on finding someone that will pay him the money he wants. And its not working. No one wants him. Which makes it impossible to sign and trade him because he wont even sign with anyone.

There are also rules to the NBA. You cant just sign any player for any dollar amount you want. Its not like we can go out and offer Lamar Odom 9 mil a year for 5 years, because if we could we would probably do it. Theres just nothing Stefanski can really do. We all know the mistakes rushing to sign a player can cause. We are paying for it right now with what Billy King did because 16mil of our cap space is going to Dalembert and Green. We dont need more of those type contracts flooding up our cap space.

Sometimes as a fan it sucks to be patient. We want to see our teams win and win right now. We all understand the feeling. But 29 other teams fans are feeeling the same thing and you just have to be patient and wait it out til our team strikes gold. The Lakers werent built overnight. It took them time. Just remember, 3 years ago the Lakers were 41-41 and lost in the 1st rd of the playoffs just like we did this past year. So its not unrealistic to think we cant be any different than them.

[tmoore]

Even if the players' union won't agree to non-guaranteed contracts, the maximum length needs to be shortened from six years to three. A guaranteed six-year deal is ridiculous.

[tmoore]

Sometimes as a fan it sucks to be patient. We want to see our teams win and win right now. We all understand the feeling. But 29 other teams fans are feeling the same thing and you just have to be patient and wait it out til our team strikes gold. The Lakers weren't built overnight. It took them time. Just remember, 3 years ago the Lakers were 41-41 and lost in the 1st rd of the playoffs just like we did this past year. So its not unrealistic to think we cant be any different than them.

But the Lakers had a star in Kobe Bryant in which to build around. The Sixers have nobody close to that caliber.

[steveb21]

But the Lakers had a star in Kobe Bryant in which to build around. The Sixers have nobody close to that caliber.

If Igoudala works on his outside shot (to the point where he can hit it consistently) that gives us a pretty good piece to build around.

I'm actually starting to like the strategy here...build for tomorrow while being competitive today. Almost like what the Eagles do. Of course for this to work your draft picks have to pan out. They all have a lot of potential...this could either turn out to be a great team in a few years or a bunch of guys who never lived up to their potential. I hope it's the former.

[ankle420breaker]

So, we're apparently in 'Sign and trade mode,' according to Stefanski

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... th_miller/

We're also looking to add depth by adding 'a guard, a swing man, and two bigs."

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... las_vegas/

I'm sure we're just going to fill out the roster w/ vet min. signings, but the sign and trade tidbit is intriguing since he didn't really have to say that. Tom, SF, have you heard any inklings of any other teams looking to sign and trade for Miller besides NY?

[KKell2507]

Sometimes as a fan it sucks to be patient. We want to see our teams win and win right now. We all understand the feeling. But 29 other teams fans are feeling the same thing and you just have to be patient and wait it out til our team strikes gold. The Lakers weren't built overnight. It took them time. Just remember, 3 years ago the Lakers were 41-41 and lost in the 1st rd of the playoffs just like we did this past year. So its not unrealistic to think we cant be any different than them.

But the Lakers had a star in Kobe Bryant in which to build around. The Sixers have nobody close to that caliber.

Good point Tom. However even Kobe Bryant himself didnt think that team had a chance and was demanding to be traded after that season. No one gave them a chance including their star player just like so many Sixers fans right now want to write off this team already.

And maybe a better example is the Pistons, who in 2000-2001 were 32-50. That team also 3 years later won the finals beating the hall of fame Lakers. And that team had no star to build around. In fact I dont think any of their starting 5 for the finals team was even there in 2000-2001. So its easy to see we are not in bad shape and things can turn around very quickly in this league without having to have a lebron james fall in your lap.

[KKell2507]

On a seperate note Tom, that article about us "shopping around in Vegas" it says we are one of 21 teams being represented over there. Is that true, are some of our players playing over in that league?

[The Sixer Fixer]

On a seperate note Tom, that article about us "shopping around in Vegas" it says we are one of 21 teams being represented over there. Is that true, are some of our players playing over in that league?

We have no team over there. Whoever wrote the intro part for REALGM wrote it wrong. Just read the actual article from the Inquirer and you will see that REALGM misrepresented what the article said...

REALGM...

Philadelphia is one of twenty-one teams that are being represented in the Las Vegas Summer League.

Actual info from the Inquirer...

Twenty-one teams are represented in the 10-day event, which began Friday.

Note the fact that it doesn't say the Sixers are one of the 21 teams. Ed is just there watching the games to scout some players from other summer league teams to see if there's someone he wants to make an offer to.

[Coach Clyde]

I think by now we have enough evidence to know that this team, as constructed, isn't great.

So why lock yourself into yet another untradeable contract by signing Miller to a 3-year deal? That's 3 more years of guaranteed non-greatness.

You have to make adjustments where you can.

C: LOCKED for 2 more seasons. I imagine even Sam's expiring deal will be hard to move because of the trade kicker.

PF: LOCKED for at least 1 more year until (or if?) he gets an injury-free season under his belt.

SF: LOCKED. Thadeus Young would be easy to trade, but then, why would you?

SG: LOCKED. Just a guess, but I imagine Iguodala makes too much money to trade.

PG: OPEN.

If we sign Miller, add it to the LOCKED category.

This team needs to improve and you have to start somewhere.

Signing another guy to an untradeable contract isn't going to help anyone.

[radrmd216]

It's not Ed's fault Iggy and Brand got escalating contracts. they were going to get escalating contracts wither way, but I think he could have signed Iggy for less. I don't know the number but there can't be that many declining contracts.

Ed negotiated these contracts so how is he not responsible? Personally I give him a pass on the Brand contract because that one had to escalate to give him max dollars. Iggy's contract is another matter.

No GM would be able to negotiate a declining contract or even a steady base pay contract with those two players. Its a foregone conclusion that iggy and Brand would get escalating contracts its just what would be the initial first year salary. I think Iggy;s first year salary should have been about $2 million less.

I think in regard to contracts a team that has the players bird rights can sign him up to five years, a free agent can sign for 4 years, and if the MLE has to stay then that contract can go up to 3 years. Also the algorithm that fidns the cap and luxury numbers must be changed becuase they luxury tax is too close the the cap. If the luxury tax wasn't so close a team like the Hornets wouldn't be trying to trade Chandler to save money. The NBA needs good teams and New Orleans needs ways to generate income.

[tmoore]

On a separate note Tom, that article about us "shopping around in Vegas" it says we are one of 21 teams being represented over there. Is that true, are some of our players playing over in that league?

Sixers chose not to participate in Vegas after going the two previous summers, apparently to save money (the Bobcats aren't playing in any summer leagues). But guys the Sixers had in Orlando -- Dionte Christmas (Clippers) and Rob Kurz (Timberwolves) -- are there, as well as other free agents the Sixers could consider inviting to veterans camp.

[Foshan]

Sixers chose not to participate in Vegas after going the two previous summers, apparently to save money

Hey Tom, do you know if Orlando is much cheaper than Vegas? Like why did they choose Orl over Veg? While i don't like it, I guess i can understand, though if they had pulled in one or two 2nd round picks, I would have really liked them to do Vegas for the improved competition.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

They should've done Vegas so Jrue could florish. The Scrapple was just..................God.