Nocioni or Garcia?

[sackings916]

Garcia can play SF too, and could even fill in at PG a little. He'd do everything we wanted Hill to do on offense, except he'd be a much better defensive presence and he's much younger. He'd kill two or three birds with one stone, and for that he'd be worth his contract.

Garcia can't guard any of those positions. He is a shooter but other than that he is liability he is a tall slow Eddie House to be honest. He is a terrible defender on bad defensive team.

Nocioni is very similiar to Posey defensively, a very good team defender and can do the job individually at the SF spot. He is better offensively at the PF spot but he is a little small to defend there.

The big difference between Nocioni and Posey is about 4 or 5 years in age. Nocioni's deal is huge but it actually decreases in value which is attractive. The another difference is that we would be moving Scal out not just adding another contract to his and we kind of exit the Lux Tax situation after this season.

Umm I dont know how much of the Kings you've watched but Garcia is better than Nocioni defensively. Garcia is one of the best shotblocking wing players in the league, gets 1.2 steals a game, has great length and plays with energy and heart at all times.

[KF10]

Garcia is a pretty damn good defender all around. I don't know why he is called terrible. You can call the Kings terrible at defense, that's fine but Garcia? No way. He is like our only legitimate last defender. (Artest/Salmons are out) Garcia is hands down the better defender than Nocioni ever was.

[sully00]

Steals and blocked shots are not necessarily a sign of a great defender, especially when they are matched with a defensive rating or 114 and defensive win shares of .7. From watching him play he does not have the lateral quickness to stay in front of players nor the size to be a position defender and get himself between the man and the rim. If King fan feels differently that is great because they are probably going to have him for a while on that contract.

[TheOGJabroni]

The guy really is Scal, except better at everything.

I'd say he's more like Posey, except much better at initiating contact, attacking the basket and getting to the line. The whole "white players can only be compared to other white players" schtick is getting tiresome in general.

I completely agree with both of those statements. I was just trying to compare him to a player whose role he would end up replacing.

FWIW, I was never one of those that tried to compare the likes of Adam Morrison to Larry Bird

And I still go on record to say that Ricky Rubio could be prime Gary Payton without the elite athleticism.

[sackings916]

Steals and blocked shots are not necessarily a sign of a great defender, especially when they are matched with a defensive rating or 114 and defensive win shares of .7. From watching him play he does not have the lateral quickness to stay in front of players nor the size to be a position defender and get himself between the man and the rim. If King fan feels differently that is great because they are probably going to have him for a while on that contract.

While Garcia is not a lockdown defender he's still a pretty good defender. Steals and blocks aside he keeps his man in front of him for the most part and knows how to use his length to his advantage. The Kings are probably the worst defensive team in the league so Im not buying the defensive stats, just going by watching Garcia play. And keeping Garcia for the rest of his contract is fine with me, I'd happily take him on my team for the MLE.

Also this

Nocioni is very similiar to Posey defensively, a very good team defender and can do the job individually at the SF spot. He is better offensively at the PF spot but he is a little small to defend there.

makes me really question how much of the Kings you've actually watched. It is Nocioni, not Garcia, that lacks the lateral quickness to stay in front of SFs. I just cannot comprehend how you can consider Nocioni a "very good defender" while Garcia is "terrible".

[wigglestrue]

Thanks for posting sackings. Garcia could play (and defend) SG and SF, and even a little PG, right?

[sackings916]

Thanks for posting sackings. Garcia could play (and defend) SG and SF, and even a little PG, right?

Yes sir Garcia can play and defend SG/SF and do a damn good job at it, he can play spot minutes at PG offensively but will probably struggle to stay in front of the quicker PGs.

[GregB]

Could someone explain what people see wrong with Garcia?
I'd EASILY take him over Nocioni.

Wiggles, I agree completely.

I would much rather have Garcia. Noc get abused by most SFs on defense. He is way too damn slow. Scalabrine is a better defender than Noc at the 3. Garcia is a much better wing defender and solid on O too. Plus, I don't think he has peaked as a player yet.

[sackings916]

Could someone explain what people see wrong with Garcia?
I'd EASILY take him over Nocioni.

Wiggles, I agree completely.

I would much rather have Garcia. Noc get abused by most SFs on defense. He is way too damn slow. Scalabrine is a better defender than Noc at the 3. Garcia is a much better wing defender and solid on O too. Plus, I don't think he has peaked as a player yet.

You went too far there buddy.