Tinsley ready to play

[greenway84]

Indycornrows rights:

Also, out of nowhere, Aldrige tosses us a bone on Jamaal Tinsley who is still alive and kicking in Atlanta waiting on the arbitration hearing.

Tinsley ready to play by david aldridge
Pacers still have not resolved the status of former starter Jamaal Tinsley, who has not played in more than a year since being told to stay away from the team following several trangressions in previous years.

Several people at the Las Vegas Summer League said this week that Tinsley has been working out in the Atlanta area and is in terrific condition, considering how long he's been out of action.

That's the first time I've read anyone not tied to the Pacers' organization vouch for Tinsley's game shape. Too little, too late though since any team interested in Tinsley will wait for the post-arbitration, bought-out version of Tins to hit the market.

I think he's right it is too little too late.

[PR07]

It's never going to be with us.

[blueandgold]

There have been a lot written about Tinsley on various Forums; especially this media outlet. Does anyone know what can and cannot be transacted with Tinsley?
Can we TRADE him before the hearing?
Does it require Tinsley's agent to drop the arbitration request prior to any trade?
Does any TRADE option become part of the Hearing Debade?
What transactional rights do the Pacers Office have?

In addtion, what are the potential outcomes from the Hearing and which do you think will become the RULING?

- Must play Tinsley (or have have participate in practice/dress for games)
- Buy his contract out? (If the next two years are worth ~$15M; what would be FAIR)
- Set a trade deadline TARGET; if not reached, then a buy clause with limits are exercised?
- ?
- ?

What are the other scenarios and which do you feel will be enforced?

[blueandgold]

Is there an injunction aganist the media to contact Tinsley?? Why is he not interviewed, filmed, made available to the public so his trade worthyness/marketability is displayed? Is this something his AGENT will not allow? Is Tinsley afraid of the media and confrontation?

[joew8302]

Too bad he couldn't have that attitude while still being on the team. Get that bum out of here.

[Crossova21]

Hmmm...i wonder why he isn't getting into any trouble now.

[Dunthreevy]

Hmmm...i wonder why he isn't getting into any trouble now.

Because he realizes his stupidity has essentially cost him his career?

[DWCP2]

The Pacers apparently have tried to file an end to the grievance only to be turned away saying it was done untimely, but were denied.

Arbitrator will hear it all coming up here.

[DWCP2]

There have been a lot written about Tinsley on various Forums; especially this media outlet. Does anyone know what can and cannot be transacted with Tinsley?
Can we TRADE him before the hearing?
Does it require Tinsley's agent to drop the arbitration request prior to any trade?
Does any TRADE option become part of the Hearing Debade?
What transactional rights do the Pacers Office have?

In addtion, what are the potential outcomes from the Hearing and which do you think will become the RULING?

- Must play Tinsley (or have have participate in practice/dress for games)
- Buy his contract out? (If the next two years are worth ~$15M; what would be FAIR)
- Set a trade deadline TARGET; if not reached, then a buy clause with limits are exercised?
- ?
- ?

What are the other scenarios and which do you feel will be enforced?

The Pacers can trade him before the deadline and they can waive him and pay out with a buy out YES!

But neither are likely to happen before arbitration.

I guess one question that keeps popping into my head that I'd like to be answered is can the arbitrator sets terms of a buyout or even void the final two years of Tinsley's contract all together.

[NashvilleKat]

Artest and Stephen Jackson have both become valuable NBA players since leaving the Pacers. Sometimes you need a good kick in the butt to realize what a blessing it is to be in the NBA and earning millions of dollars. I wonder if Tinsley appreciates what he HAD and has learned his lesson, and would appreciate a second chance to be in the NBA and playing the game he allegedly loves. Just wondering............maybe "time out" in pergatory has helped him see the light.......

[grewich]

just curious...


WHAT IF....Tinsley comes back.


does anyone think that Tinsley could outplay Ford?

[notque]

He might be able to out play Ford, but he could certainly outplay Diener.

[count55]

Are we talking about in the games he's on the floor, or are we talking about in the 30+ games when he's out with injury/illness/malaise?

[notque]

That's 40+ more games he'd play than having him sit home and pay him.

[count55]

That's 40+ more games he'd play than having him sit home and pay him.

You say that as if it's a good thing.

Tinsley hurts this franchise. He hurts them at the box office. He hurts them in the community. He hurts them against the salary cap. He hurts them on the floor.

Over the last four years, the Pacers have played 153 games with Droopy and 175 games without him. Their winning percentage in the games he played was .438, while it was .463 in the games he didn't play.

The idea of Jamaal ever playing for the Pacers again is sheer lunacy.

It's the rough equivalent of hitting yourself in the head with a hammer periodically, just so you can feel like you're getting your money's worth out of the purchase of the hammer.

[notque]

Playing him as a backup point guard until we trade him is not lunacy. It's the sane attempt in increase him value enough to trade him.

It's also probably a court order soon.

[8305]

I'm guessing the arbitration will produce an order to the Pacers to buy out Jamal if we aren't going to let him play. The question I would think is what value are the Pacer relinquishing in a buyout. It seems to me he becomes an asset in February 2011 when he is an expiring. What will be interesting is how you quantify the value of the Feb 2011 asset.

I suppose the Pacers might be afforded some consideration for Jamal's unprofessional behavior and the negative financial impact that had on the franchise. If you actually considered this point the damages might exceed the balance owed on the contract. Chances of this happening are remote.

Ignoring my second paragraph fantasy there probably wouldn't be much value ascribed to the future expiring contract since many times expiring contracts aren't moved. Without the damages, best case is probably a haircut of 2 mil off the total contract. Time value of money and a little extra.

[Dunthreevy]

Honestly, looking at our current PG situation.... *gulp* I wouldn't be entirely angry if we used him as a backup PG until we displayed him enough to teams to trade him.

Wow! Never thought I would say that.

[DWCP2]

I'm guessing the arbitration will produce an order to the Pacers to buy out Jamal if we aren't going to let him play. The question I would think is what value are the Pacer relinquishing in a buyout. It seems to me he becomes an asset in February 2011 when he is an expiring. What will be interesting is how you quantify the value of the Feb 2011 asset.

I suppose the Pacers might be afforded some consideration for Jamal's unprofessional behavior and the negative financial impact that had on the franchise. If you actually considered this point the damages might exceed the balance owed on the contract. Chances of this happening are remote.

Ignoring my second paragraph fantasy there probably wouldn't be much value ascribed to the future expiring contract since many times expiring contracts aren't moved. Without the damages, best case is probably a haircut of 2 mil off the total contract. Time value of money and a little extra.

The only thing damaging about Tinsley's contract is the 2010 year, which could lead to luxury tax implications. if the 2010 year at 7.5 million didn't exist, I think you would have seen a buyout last season.

Even if the Pacers are forced to buyout Tinsley in any percent in 2010, it still can do major damage.