Yahoo: UTAH-MIAMI-MEMPHIS Deal possible

[stevebozell]

If you feel this team would have rivaled the Lakers last year had they stayed injury free, how in the world could you advocate ANY sort of trade at all? Wouldnt you just want to keep the same team and try again?

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

If you feel this team would have rivaled the Lakers last year had they stayed injury free, how in the world could you advocate ANY sort of trade at all? Wouldnt you just want to keep the same team and try again?

That is what I'm saying. We should keep this team together and see what happens but if a trade needs to happen due to chemistry/locker room issues then you need to acquire something in the trade that will improve the team.

Maybe I'm not making myself very clear...I'm starting to confuse myself haha. I just don't want to make a trade for the sake of making a trade. If the trade improves the team and keeps them in the championship picture then I'm all for it.

[stevebozell]

I dont think we should trade Boozer for garbage, mainly because I dont think the team as is was good enough to contend, that was pretty clear in the playoff series to me.....so with that said, I certainly dont want to get WORSE by dumping him for crap.

I think they should use this opportunity to make a big deal, that yes may be risky, but if it paid off might vault us into the championship contending tier.

[The Sheik]

So your saying that the Jazz would not have been a title contender last year if they remained injury free?

Exactly. Why is this? We cant win on the road period. Healthy or not.

We put all of our eggs in the AK, Boozer, Memo basket and it failed miserably. We only got lucky in the sense that we unexpectedly (because we reloaded with those players and had Arroyo) landed Deron Williams.

The Jazz FO have been arrogant about the "talent" on our team and have decided to stand pat while the ship has been slowly sinking.

100% full healthy is this team better than LA or SA...no. Could we beat them in a 7 game series...not likely.

Utah is at best the 3rd or 4th best team in the conference and more than likely ends up with a 5-8 seed. Im not a hater, Im just being a realist.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

I disagree with the inability to win on the road. This team is too talented to not win on the road if they keep them together and they are healthy. They will improve their road record...its not like it could get much worse.

[StocktonShorts]

Inability to win on the road seems common for a young team. It may be even more difficult for a team like the Jazz that's so well-supported at home to go play on the road. Once you get used to that energy from the crowd it may be harder to play without it.

I remember it was many years before the Stockton/Malone Jazz had a .500 or better road record.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Inability to win on the road seems common for a young team. It may be even more difficult for a team like the Jazz that's so well-supported at home to go play on the road. Once you get used to that energy from the crowd it may be harder to play without it.

I remember it was many years before the Stockton/Malone Jazz had a .500 or better road record.

You make an interesting point about getting use to the home energy. This team is still young but we should now be seeing signs of maturity. This group has been together for years now. They are still young in age but should be mature when it comes to playing consistently. You can't keep giving them the excuse of being young they have been through plenty of experiences as a team to be mature as a team.

[The Sheik]

I just dont buy the growth chemistry angle. Sure this team could go 21-21 on the road and could top out at 54 wins or so, but when have the showed they can win in LA or SA, hell even Portland. We havent won in those places at all consistently.

I think the Jazz can match or do better than last season without Booz. Rebounding is the big issue. As well as a quality backup to Millsap.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

I just dont buy the growth chemistry angle. Sure this team could go 21-21 on the road and could top out at 54 wins or so, but when have the showed they can win in LA or SA, hell even Portland. We havent won in those places at all consistently.

I think the Jazz can match or do better than last season without Booz. Rebounding is the big issue. As well as a quality backup to Millsap.

Problem is last season ended with a first round exit in 5 games...

[The Sheik]

Problem is last season ended with a first round exit in 5 games...

and 2 seasons ago with the best health the team has had since it was put together and a career year from Boozer and Deron(at the time) we got bounced in the 2nd round.

Can someone legitimately tell me with the same unit back again we have a chance of making the finals, let alone winning a title?

I say no. So then what is the point of keeping Boozer? We might as well build the chemistry without him being as we are going to be without him after the season.

[BIRDMAN BIRDMAN]

So guys, would you ever welcome Udonis Haslem if the Tyrus deal fails?

I mean Utah signed Millsap to that huge crapload of money to do his thang - so why bring in Tyrus, who's a 4 and isn't much known for playing the 3, to cut Sap's PT when you paid expensive for sap and his services, wouldn't you rather have a veteran who works hard day in day out, to mentor Millsap?

Haslem is a great guy, he's just UNDERSIZED, that's the only flaw, if he's 2 inches taller, he'd do more damage, sadly, he ain't but cmmon, did you see his defense on Dirk back in 06? Up to now, his post defense is tight, his silky 15 foot Jumper is always money, he rebounds, he defends, he plays with heart, passion, and intensity.

The dude works really great and is comitted to the game, he's done plenty of things for Miami, as someone in the MIA forum said, Haslem also shines during 4th quarters, whether it's a putback shot, a 15 foot J when people double team other offensive options or whether it's a defensive play - he's an Ideal PF - ESPECIALLY A BACK-UP ONE, He's the perfect fit for the Jazz behind Millsap IMO if you're desperate to get Boozer out of town.

I rather have a veteran teaching more tricks to Millsap than potential and more potential in Tyrus, Haslem seems a Sloanish guy, and if ever he doesn't work out, he can always be a better trade bait at February when his value is high since he's expiring - what's important is you guys get rid of Booz while still being able to fight while saving money - and this Haslem package ain't a joke at all.

EDIT: I know, obviously, Tyrus is the better player with better potential, but I just think Haslem is the better FIT, he along with other cap assets that can help our team ain't that bad as you guys think, so calm down, take a deep breath and relax.

[The Sheik]

I like Haslem, but I want more from Miami than just him and salary cap relief. I agree that fans are hating on Haslem, and that he is a perfect fit. However I want more from Miami if Im the Jazz FO. It might be asking too much for Beasley even if we added in CJ Miles, but we need at least a 1st round pick or a combo of picks (1st and 2nd). I realize the pick isnt significant if the Heat have a top 10 record, but we can use it in the event that the knicks pick isnt great and we need to move up or if we need to get under the tax more and pair the pick with say Matt Harprings contract to a team with cap space.

If Im the Jazz I want Beasley. It might be impossible, but Utah does have some cards to play. They can help the Heat secure Wade long-term. They get Boozers bird rights which would allow them to pursue other FAs with cap space and still re-sign Boozer.

If the Jazz can get Beasley they can then re-build while still being competitive. They can target a 2-guard with the knicks pick or even trade either Beasley or Millsap or even the pick for a starter.

[BIRDMAN BIRDMAN]

Yeah sorry for the long post, I just hate it when people make someone look like trash when they aren't.

I think Miami has Toronto's 1st and a trade exception from Toronto as well, or even Daequan Cook included if the Jazz FO squeezes Riley.

[The Sheik]

Yeah sorry for the long post, I just hate it when people make someone look like trash when they aren't.

I think Miami has Toronto's 1st and a trade exception from Toronto as well, or even Daequan Cook included if the Jazz FO squeezes Riley.

Its all good. As far as I know Miami does not have Torontos pick. If they did they could make it very interesting for Utah if they offered both. One going to Utah and one to Memphis in this proposed trade:

Utah gets: Udonis Haslem

Miami gets: Carlos Boozer

Memphis gets: Dorell Wright, Matt Harpring and Miami 2010 1st, Utah 2010 2nd and cash.

but being as they dont this is a trade Utah could make to save a ton of money.

Utah gets approx. 11.7 mil in savings. We would still be 2-3 mil over, but thats a hit that is more acceptable. Matt Harpring could be bought out and come back to the Jazz to play or retire. If Utah also got a 1st round pick I would be all over this. Or if Utah can somehow convince Memphis into selling us Sam Youngs rights.

[CaliHeat]

If Im Riley, Im offering Haslem, Wright (going to Mem) and a 1st round pick (Tor). Also if the Jazz want more relief and do a seperate CJ Miles for Mia Trade exception. Add in a 2nd round pick or two if needed.

Miami does have Tor 2010 1st round pick acquired in the Jermaine O'Neal trade. Its Lottery protected for like 5 years if im not mistake, I could be wrong on the protection but we do have the pick.

[The Sheik]

If Im Riley, Im offering Haslem, Wright (going to Mem) and a 1st round pick (Tor). Also if the Jazz want more relief and do a seperate CJ Miles for Mia Trade exception. Add in a 2nd round pick or two if needed.

Honestly I dont see us trading CJ just for tax relief. We matched his offer and we are going to see if he pans out or not. If Memphis can be convinced into taking Matt Harpring and negotiating a buyout while getting a pick its something all parties would seriously consider.

[The Sheik]

Miami does have Tor 2010 1st round pick acquired in the Jermaine O'Neal trade. Its Lottery protected for like 5 years if im not mistake, I could be wrong on the protection but we do have the pick.

If thats the case I would want to see something like this offered:

Utah gets: Udonis Haslem, Toronto 1st

Miami gets: Carlos Boozer

Memphis gets: Dorell Wright, Matt Harpring and Miami 2010 1st, Utah 2010 2nd and cash.

Utah saves a ton and gets a prospect in the pick and solid rotation player in Haslem. Maybe the also send the Toronto pick to Memphis and get the draft rights to Sam Young or hold on to it as a chip to move up in 2010 or sell it.