Tom Moore 2.0

[ryst]

if the wanted to clear salary then should trade Iguodala and brand
there is a market for this players
just like there is a market for the hugh contracts of richard jefferson, shaq,ben wallace
but they dont do it, so they dont want to clear salary.

my understanding from what they do(or dont do) and what they say is this:
they want to keep cost as down as possible, they dont want to spend more money
but they do want to keep a somehow competitive team on the floor(which they have right now) this team might get into the playoffs or close but will never win a championship , i belive we all agree on that.
even if they do make the lottery its not gonna be a high pick, so most likely not a superstar player.

so how can you say this is the goal? if the goal is to get a superstar and build around him then they need to trade all the big contracts asap and get ready for a tough seaspon and next year draft.

and you know what? i am fine with that , because thats a plan and it could work out
if they think they will luck out like boston with KG and allen they better think again, thats not gonna happen.

if the plan is to get a superstar then the most likely way to get one and most successful(as we seen in the last decade) is to gut the team and get a high lottery pick.

and by the way if they trade iguodala,brand,dalmbert then i have no problem going into the season with a young lineup and letting them play , many teams do it
it will get us a high lottery pick and give the young players play time.
but you cant do it with iguodala and brand on the team.

[LongLiveHinkie]

You base your market on Iguodala and Brand based on other players. That isn't a good way to make a strong case. That is like saying because the neighbor's car down the street was a piece of crap and someone bought it, that someone is absolutely going to buy mine too. That is just an assumption based on nothing but a situation that has nothing to do with this one.

First of all there is no point in dealing Iguodala. If we dump Brand's salary and dump Sammy and Willie's in a couple years there will be more than enough cap room to sign whoever we want. Dumping Iguodala too would just be detracting from the good young players you already have on the roster.

But I don't think there is a market for Brand. Why would there be? He has hasn't played a full season in 2 years, is 30 years old and has a huge contract. Sorry, no market for him until he proves he can get back to being healthy and close to his 20/10 form. Right now? No one will take him, just like no one will take Sammy.

[corwin]

I'm saying they shouldn't sign a player to a mutli year contract becuase I don't want some overpaid guy on the team. Pretty much every MLE guy is overpaid so I would rather overpay when the team is actually contending and is more complete. There is no reason to sign a MLE free agent at this point in. I like when the team wins but I want to see the young guys play and see who has a future on the team, so I don't a free agent taking minutes in a transitional year.

I see your point but IMO the team does need a MLE player at PG to be fully competitive next year. The team does not want to pay the LT this year & a MLE won't put them over the tax. The problem is next year when they either will be/are over the LT level. That's probably the main reason they don't want to add more salary. Why not be creative? Sign a player to the MLE or a portion of it & only guarantee the first year. That gives you a player for this year & a valuable trading chip for next year. That won't solve the problem of being over the tax next year but maybe they'll have an amnesty.

[radrmd216]

I think if the plan is to get a top lottery pick Igoudala could still be on the team. If the Sixers lose Miller and trade Brand and Dalembert for overpaid players on one or two year deals, and play the young guys, they could get a top lottery pick.

The year Iverson was traded Miller came in and suprised people buy making the Sixers a bottom of the lottery team instead of a top lottery team. Then the next season the sixers start running and just get into the playoffs and sign brand in the offseason thinking all they really need was one piece. Then this past season brand gets injured and the sixers have just about the same success as the previous season. the initial trade didn;t seem good and the events over the last few years haven't been good. Maybe starting over and getting a top lottery pick is the best thing and might reinvigorate the fanbase.

I don't know what the Sixers plans but they must have one. Even the worst businessmen have a little bit of a plan. not a lot of time has past though in order to see what the plan is, maybe as time goes by and some players get better trade value things will happen.

[ryst]

You base your market on Iguodala and Brand based on other players. That isn't a good way to make a strong case. That is like saying because the neighbor's car down the street was a piece of crap and someone bought it, that someone is absolutely going to buy mine too. That is just an assumption based on nothing but a situation that has nothing to do with this one.

First of all there is no point in dealing Iguodala. If we dump Brand's salary and dump Sammy and Willie's in a couple years there will be more than enough cap room to sign whoever we want. Dumping Iguodala too would just be detracting from the good young players you already have on the roster.

But I don't think there is a market for Brand. Why would there be? He has hasn't played a full season in 2 years, is 30 years old and has a huge contract. Sorry, no market for him until he proves he can get back to being healthy and close to his 20/10 form. Right now? No one will take him, just like no one will take Sammy.

you said that the goal right now should be to get a superstar

so what do you think is the right plan to do it?
do you think what the sixers are doing right now is the right plan?

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

First of all: It has to be made clear: This team HAS basketball talent. It's something Westbrook36 would rather not admit, but it is true: This team has basketball talent. Brand/Iggy/Young is the core of the team. What we need is 3pt shooting to round it out. In order to get to the next level, you have to spend. And you have to acquire via trade.


WB36's argument is that: Brand's been injured twice. But the cases of those injuries are vastly different. Brand comes in healthy this season, and he fell for a pumpfake and fell on his shoulder.

Brand's fine, he's okay.

Your claims of him would make me think you're talking about Iverson.

[LongLiveHinkie]

You base your market on Iguodala and Brand based on other players. That isn't a good way to make a strong case. That is like saying because the neighbor's car down the street was a piece of crap and someone bought it, that someone is absolutely going to buy mine too. That is just an assumption based on nothing but a situation that has nothing to do with this one.

First of all there is no point in dealing Iguodala. If we dump Brand's salary and dump Sammy and Willie's in a couple years there will be more than enough cap room to sign whoever we want. Dumping Iguodala too would just be detracting from the good young players you already have on the roster.

But I don't think there is a market for Brand. Why would there be? He has hasn't played a full season in 2 years, is 30 years old and has a huge contract. Sorry, no market for him until he proves he can get back to being healthy and close to his 20/10 form. Right now? No one will take him, just like no one will take Sammy.

you said that the goal right now should be to get a superstar

so what do you think is the right plan to do it?
do you think what the sixers are doing right now is the right plan?

Absolutely. Do you see any other alternative?

Dedicated: This team has talent. Just not that much. Iguodala is a nice player, Thad is a nice player, Brand we still have to see, and Speights is a nice up and coming player. Other than that we got a whole lot of nothing.

The argument about Brand isn't whether or not he's healthy. The argument is whether or not he'll get injured again. That is why no one will trade for him right now. Too big of a risk with that contract.

[tmoore]

Tom, if the sixers sign vet min players does the league pay for a portion of the contract.

Believe the league pays just under 40 percent of a 10-year minimum contract. As I understand, only the two-year minimum salary ($825,497 this year) counts against the cap, with the 10-year minimum at $1.306 million. League doesn't want to discourage teams from signing older players, so doesn't penalize them from doing so.

[sixerfan1976]

cj watson to orlando

earl watson to indiana

philly: ZZZZZZZZZ

tom,
must be tough being a beat writer in an offseason when the team doesnt have a heartbeat.

[tmoore]

Plenty going on early, with coaching search and draft workouts, but it's been quiet of late. Think Ed Stefanski is committed to waiting on a sign-and-trade before adding any minimum FAs, in case a player they'd get in return would fill one of the roles (1, 3 or 5).

[corwin]

Hard to see much going on from this end. Check the forums from other teams. Most of them have summer league threads because they at least have legitimate summer teams to be interested in. Seems like most of the off-season action has been trade speculations about Miller & Dalembert. Most of that action was probably started on internet boards like this one. Where's Ed?

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Okay, WHO and where?

The real key is: Has Miller actually begun to understand his place in the market? And if he does, who wants him?

Miami, maybe.

New York, but they don't have much or want to give much in a trade. Nate Robinson, but that'll be a long-term deal and Stefanski seems content with avoiding those. Even if they are talented young players.

Portland: Probably content with Steve Blake.

So let's look at the Miami Heat roster.

Sixers trade:
PG Andre Miller(Resigned at 2 YRS/10 Million, 2nd yr obviously a team option)

Heat trade:
PG Chris Quinn
SF James Jones

I did the best to fill our team needs,a PG and a SF. The question is: Does Stefanski have the guts to
take a little.(James Jones is an MLE deal that's 2 years too much IMO).

[oldschool1]

How about this deal.. miller in a sign and trade with Miami. Since Miami is over the cap, they will need tounload salary.

Sixers send Miller (2 years as 8 million per year) plus Wille Green( 09/10-$3.7;10/11-$3.9)

Miami send Mark Blount ( $8 millexpring)and Daquan Cook (09/10-$1.4mill plus team option the folowing two years

We only add about $5.7million in salary; worse case that we lose Green's10/11salary. Best caseis that Cook becomes a starting 2 guard or a solid rotation player with outstanding 3 point range

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Miami is not trading Mark Blount or rather Mark Blount's contract. Nor are they taking Willie Green.

It'll have to be Miller for Blount/Cook, obviously with a team-option so Miller's basically a 10 Mill expiring.

[radrmd216]

The Sixers must be really struggling financially if they don't even want to sign someone for more than the vet minimum. I guess with with each player getting a raise next year and the luxury tax going furthur down the front office anticipates substantial losses. i don;t understand why they would want to do a Miller sign and trade though. The player they get back in the deal wouldn't seem to be worth the millins he would cost. Unless the front office thinks someone like Duhon could make the Sixers the 4th seed and getting that extra home playoff game might justify acquiring Duhon's contract. Getting the 4th seed seems pretty unlikely though.

heres a good article explaining how an NBA generates income. Type in the tt h__p://nbahoopsonline.com/Articles/2007-08/NBArevinuesharing.html

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Well we can cross Indy off the list of suitors for Miller at this point.
Maybe Miami?
Why not New York? I would do a deal for Nate Robinson... Whats the matter with that?

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Cheap Organization that doesn't want to win, that's why. As one poster noted: You can't have it both ways. The core of players is: Brand/Young/Iguodala. We don't need a super-star. What we need now WB36 is to fill out this roster with players that fit according to their skillsets.


Brand was the right signing, you cannot have a team of perimeter players and expect to go somewhere, Brand compliments Young and Iguodala nicely. I also believe that Stefanski made
the right hire in Eddie Jordan. As the Princeton Offense will really allow Iguodala to thrive in those isolation matchups where he's really good. A guy like Thad Young who can fit into any offense is gonna thrive as well.

So Stefanski is slowly fitting the team according to it's pieces. What we need now: Needless to say is 3pt shooting and 3pt shooting in the lineup. We need at least two 3pt shooters in the lineup in order to balance it out.

Thad Young has shown the touch from outside(35 percent). So either we add a PG that can shoot the 3, or Iguodala continues to improve upon his 3pt shot. You gave the argument that they can have good shooting mechanics but they're not as good as pure shooters.

They don't need to be pure shooters, they need to be good shooters. The problem is the team is too-slash oriented. They need good shooting to balance it out. 2 3PT shooters in the lineup would make the team dangerous going forward.

Sometimes it's the little things that contribute the most, but Stefanski doesn't seem to understand this.

Chris Quinn, a guy you could give a 2-3 yr LLE offer too would be a nice guy for this basketball team. Doesn't turn the ball over, finds guys in position to score. I've liked him since
he's shown his stuff in Miami. He's another guy that needs a new chance to florish, in a starting role.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Yeah I like Quinn too. I have since his days at Notre Dame. Maybe he can be a steal. I'd say that Quinn would be to expensive for us though. LLE is just too rich for Ed's blood.

[corwin]

Quinn takes care of the ball & can play his 15 minutes a game. However, it boggles my mind to think that that there aren't dozens of players with his skill set & size to fill that role. IMO Ed should be able to sign a Vet's Minimum player for that position. That's probably what he's scouting at summer league. I guess that's one advantage of not having a team; he doesn't have to watch his own players.

[radrmd216]

If the Sixers sign some minimum free agents they shouldn;'t get too much playing time. There is 240 minutes to go around. This is about how many minutes each player should play. Dalemebrt minutes could go down some games where he gets into foul trouble or isn't playing good and Kapono could get more minutes if hes hot or if his shotting is really neded. Any free agents signed probably won't and shouldn't get that many minutes. All that is really need is a vet PG that can manage a game and hit a couple 3's and a big body to throw at some of the big frontlines.

Williams 26
Igoudala 40
Thad 38
brand 36
Dalembert 28
Speights 18
Smith 14
Holiday 10
Kapono 10
Green 10
3 free agents 10-18 minutes depending on matchups