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Re: Amare Rumblings continue? 

Post#41 » by Qwigglez » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:22 am

delsol650 wrote:funny most of you'all were crying that Curry should be included in the rumored amare deal.. LOL

You can be better than the dubs the year coming up, but like most teams that are getting old, what will you have left once amare re-injures something, nash gets older MORE, how much mediocre would the team be in a couple years? while our team is mostly under 24. I didn't want to make this an argument, but some feel they need to bash as usual. Peace cee ya later.


Its funny how the Suns have three guys over the age of 26. Yeah we are old.
While the Suns also have financial flexibility, the Golden State Warriors have four guys locked up til 2012-2013. Thats a pretty big commitment to not even get remotely close to the playoffs.
Look, to be honest, the Warriors look like they have a good team, on paper. But it just seems you guys can't put it all together. First off, I think you need to trade a few wing players for a solid big. Try a trade with the Bulls, they need a wing player. Or maybe the Heat. Second, I think a majority of your players are iso players, can only create for themselves, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I think a passing type player might be needed on that team. Good luck to your team, and when you play the Suns, expect Amare to get at least 40 once.
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Re: Amare Rumblings continue? 

Post#42 » by thamadkant » Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:18 am

I like Kerr's plans and strategy unlike most Suns fans, I think I GET IT.... part of my job in the real world is to always look at the logical way, facts and make decisions on facts, and always take calculated risks if not none at all.....

Kerr didnt make any "sudden" moves during this off season, unlike during last season with Diaw/Bell for Richardson, Marion for O'neal previously... and even hiring Porter... those were HIGH risk moves that didnt pay off..

this time he stayed pat and committed on "flexibility"...
I SERIOUSLY do not want Stoudemire signed long term, there is over 50% chance he will be affected by his microfracture surgery in the near future as well as his eye condition... the guy will wear goggles for the rest of his career.

Nash is the only 30+ year old signed over 10 Million and is a no brainer to keep him, even though he sucks defensively... logic shows he is the face of the Suns... 2 time MVP, the Suns character role model. And he makes his team mates better.
And he is only a short term contract (3 years), during that 3 years he will continue to pad the Suns's young players stats, giving them value and also the confidence to be themselves... Suns wont win a ring... no but they will be a playoff contender.... and Kerr knows the window has closed and they are pretty much gonna ride out Nash until they can rebuild a contender again, through FAs in 2010 or 2011...

The KEY is to trade Stoudemire 75 cents or more for the dollar.... that has to include a high potential lottery pick coming back to the Suns and a young prospect.

Clark looks good, Dragic looks like a decent young role player with potential to be a starter, Lopez has started to show promises when he was picked.... And if Stoudemire gets traded, Im sure 2 more young players will come back to join that "new" core... then you sign a 2010 or 2011 FA with Nash expiring in 2012 anyways you have that strong 2-3 year window 2010-2011, 2011-2012 season, then you have the young core with the big 2010 FA to continue the contendership.... I like it I like it a lot as a Suns fan...

The suns can get any FA this offseaon and still not matter... so build up for later...
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Post#43 » by BurningHeart » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:06 am

Kerr has a strategy/plan?

You mean like the plan he had to go with a defensive mindset, then ended up trading KT and picks, Marion, Bell, and Diaw? Like the plan he had to install a defensive coach, firing the best offensive mind in the league, then realizing that that defensive coach actually made our defense and offense WORSE, and he realized the mistake much too late?

I'm shocked that you have any faith in the front office of this organization.
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Post#45 » by Qwigglez » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:18 pm

thamadkant wrote:I like Kerr's plans and strategy unlike most Suns fans, I think I GET IT.... part of my job in the real world is to always look at the logical way, facts and make decisions on facts, and always take calculated risks if not none at all.....

Kerr didnt make any "sudden" moves during this off season, unlike during last season with Diaw/Bell for Richardson, Marion for O'neal previously... and even hiring Porter... those were HIGH risk moves that didnt pay off..

this time he stayed pat and committed on "flexibility"...
I SERIOUSLY do not want Stoudemire signed long term, there is over 50% chance he will be affected by his microfracture surgery in the near future as well as his eye condition... the guy will wear goggles for the rest of his career.

Nash is the only 30+ year old signed over 10 Million and is a no brainer to keep him, even though he sucks defensively... logic shows he is the face of the Suns... 2 time MVP, the Suns character role model. And he makes his team mates better.
And he is only a short term contract (3 years), during that 3 years he will continue to pad the Suns's young players stats, giving them value and also the confidence to be themselves... Suns wont win a ring... no but they will be a playoff contender.... and Kerr knows the window has closed and they are pretty much gonna ride out Nash until they can rebuild a contender again, through FAs in 2010 or 2011...

The KEY is to trade Stoudemire 75 cents or more for the dollar.... that has to include a high potential lottery pick coming back to the Suns and a young prospect.

Clark looks good, Dragic looks like a decent young role player with potential to be a starter, Lopez has started to show promises when he was picked.... And if Stoudemire gets traded, Im sure 2 more young players will come back to join that "new" core... then you sign a 2010 or 2011 FA with Nash expiring in 2012 anyways you have that strong 2-3 year window 2010-2011, 2011-2012 season, then you have the young core with the big 2010 FA to continue the contendership.... I like it I like it a lot as a Suns fan...

The suns can get any FA this offseaon and still not matter... so build up for later...


Man, I agreed with you up until the point of you wanting to trade Amare. Suns need to keep him. The Spurs kept Tim Duncan, even though I thought they would be done after this season. They simply, reloaded instead of rebuilt. Suns are taking the same approach.
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Re: Amare Rumblings continue? 

Post#46 » by OrangeNation » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:31 am

Except that Amare can never be as critical and essential to a team as Duncan, he just does not have the full set of skills to make the world revolve around him (see Nash's extension). While I really don't like the idea of trading him, but if a right deal comes along, Why not ? Aldridge + Rudy + Batum will do it for me. :D
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Post#47 » by chriscringle95 » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:48 am

Fast forward...

Amare is the best player in Phoenix and Top 5 in the NBA. He wins the NBA MVP, 1st team All-NBA, All Star Starter, NBA scoring champion averaging 35 points and 11 rebounds 2 blocks 1 steal and 3 assist and the Suns win 60+ games contending for a championship :eyebrows:

Now name a player that the Suns will ever realistically trade for that can say this is something they can accomplish in the next 2-3 years or ever. Now ask your self to name a big man who fits this bill...

Or a Golden State Warrior! :lol:

If they trade Amare they are fools.

He is as special as Kobe or Lebron or Wade. He has THAT kind of talent! KG and Duncan are the only two bigs in basketball at the moment who can challenge or defeat Amare. BUT in 2-3 years they will be retired or playing at a lower level than now. Amare will be all of 28-29 years old in the middle of his prime years and most likely more mature and even more unguardable then he already is.
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Post#48 » by tac45 » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:56 pm

goddamned, amare isn't going anywhere. this are only rumors which fly around since day one.. it's normal, i mean that's the nba, always ''rumbling''

kerr made some pretty obvious moves that amare would stay and they love him, they traded shaq away so he can be the boss down low, they want to give nash an extension, because he fits perfect to amare..

in my point of view it's obvious he is staying.. and i' sure we won't regret it because he is still young and also already a veteran with killerskills and power..
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Post#49 » by rsavaj » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:19 pm

chriscringle95 wrote:Fast forward...

Amare is the best player in Phoenix and Top 5 in the NBA. He wins the NBA MVP, 1st team All-NBA, All Star Starter, NBA scoring champion averaging 35 points and 11 rebounds 2 blocks 1 steal and 3 assist and the Suns win 60+ games contending for a championship :eyebrows:

Now name a player that the Suns will ever realistically trade for that can say this is something they can accomplish in the next 2-3 years or ever. Now ask your self to name a big man who fits this bill...

Or a Golden State Warrior! :lol:

If they trade Amare they are fools.

He is as special as Kobe or Lebron or Wade. He has THAT kind of talent! KG and Duncan are the only two bigs in basketball at the moment who can challenge or defeat Amare. BUT in 2-3 years they will be retired or playing at a lower level than now. Amare will be all of 28-29 years old in the middle of his prime years and most likely more mature and even more unguardable then he already is.


Or we could fast forward to "reality", where Amare does none of those things.
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Post#50 » by azballer53 » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:53 pm

chriscringle95 wrote:Fast forward...

Amare is the best player in Phoenix and Top 5 in the NBA. He wins the NBA MVP, 1st team All-NBA, All Star Starter, NBA scoring champion averaging 35 points and 11 rebounds 2 blocks 1 steal and 3 assist and the Suns win 60+ games contending for a championship :eyebrows:

Now name a player that the Suns will ever realistically trade for that can say this is something they can accomplish in the next 2-3 years or ever. Now ask your self to name a big man who fits this bill...

Or a Golden State Warrior! :lol:

If they trade Amare they are fools.

He is as special as Kobe or Lebron or Wade. He has THAT kind of talent! KG and Duncan are the only two bigs in basketball at the moment who can challenge or defeat Amare. BUT in 2-3 years they will be retired or playing at a lower level than now. Amare will be all of 28-29 years old in the middle of his prime years and most likely more mature and even more unguardable then he already is.

what are you talking about amare may average 25 this year and we may win 50 games if were lucky
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Post#51 » by JohnVancouver » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:06 pm

chriscringle95 wrote:Fast forward...

Amare ... is as special as Kobe or Lebron or Wade. He has THAT kind of talent! KG and Duncan are the only two bigs in basketball at the moment who can challenge or defeat Amare. BUT in 2-3 years they will be retired or playing at a lower level than now. Amare will be all of 28-29 years old in the middle of his prime years and most likely more mature and even more unguardable then he already is.



That's all very pretty to think but the maddening thing about Amar'e is that he could be exactly who you describe but he just doesn't' get it. As we've said before , if he had Amundson's desire he would be unstoppable but Stat has just had so much natural ability he has never had to focus on any fundamentals and I'm sure he reckons that he';s doing something right if people pay him $16mil a year to do it.
I don't think he'll ever fulfill his potential. It's a shame
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Post#52 » by thamadkant » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:27 pm

chriscringle95 wrote:Fast forward...

Amare is the best player in Phoenix and Top 5 in the NBA. He wins the NBA MVP, 1st team All-NBA, All Star Starter, NBA scoring champion averaging 35 points and 11 rebounds 2 blocks 1 steal and 3 assist and the Suns win 60+ games contending for a championship :eyebrows:

Now name a player that the Suns will ever realistically trade for that can say this is something they can accomplish in the next 2-3 years or ever. Now ask your self to name a big man who fits this bill...

Or a Golden State Warrior! :lol:

If they trade Amare they are fools.

He is as special as Kobe or Lebron or Wade. He has THAT kind of talent! KG and Duncan are the only two bigs in basketball at the moment who can challenge or defeat Amare. BUT in 2-3 years they will be retired or playing at a lower level than now. Amare will be all of 28-29 years old in the middle of his prime years and most likely more mature and even more unguardable then he already is.



then you wake up and realize your having wet dreams about Stouemire again...

Stouemire when he was scoring BIG, was prolly on par with Nowitski (best 2 scoring big men)... he was never considered top 5 best players then, why would you consider him top 5 NOW?

Duncan can have a 15 point per game season... and STILL be more impactful than Stouemire. The 12 rebounds, interior ALL-NBA defense, shot blocking, leadership... etc... thats what championships are made of.

Again, Stouemire is the "big man" Arenas.... high scoring players with little to no impact anywhere else. I'd gladly have him at 15~17M a year for the next 3 years. Because I expect him to be less effective after that when his knees and athletic abilities decline some.
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Post#53 » by plonden » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:55 am

Surprisingly, I found myself agreeing with something that Kerr/Sarver did recently involving Amare Stoudemire. Kerr has taken a tough stance with Amare on contract extension negotiations, avoiding a situation where Amare Arenases the Suns next season. After a serious eye injury, you have to see Amare back on the court and playing basketball for a decent period of time before you invest a max deal or near max deal in a player.
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Post#54 » by Monterey » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:57 am

kuberV wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvJQK1HM6bw&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv4atA1BDDo
MaryvalesFinest wrote:Draft picks-A+, Earl Clark is already the best defender in this draft class and has the potential to be the second best player.

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Post#55 » by BurningHeart » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:15 am

Monterey wrote:
kuberV wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvJQK1HM6bw&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv4atA1BDDo


Holy crap. :o
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Post#56 » by Fo-Real » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:40 pm

I keep hearing the word Rumblings.. like what, what ideas are being floated. Sure if they get an offer they cant refuse, any one person on this damn team is gone, so has something or some offers gotten sweetened for Amare, anyone have specifics on where the noise is coming from. If not this is stupid to keep saying he could be traded.

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