Boozer may start season on Jazz?

[The Sheik]

Am I reading this wrong?

Yes. I said the Jazz cant take the gamble that all that will happen. What happens if he get injured again? His game may already show this, but what if his mentality changes to "get mine." What if he demands a trade to the media because Utah wont extend him? He could pull an AK and weaken our position even more.

Its way too fairy tale to think Boozer will play hard, stay injury free, re-establish trade value and Utah gets something great. Where is the guarantee that Boozer is going to be on board with this? If Utah hasnt traded him by training camp Boozer will force the issue himself. He will play hard in his contract year, but his goal is to secure an extension and not hit FA next summer. He also will be traded no matter what by the deadline because he wants his new team to own his bird rights because Utah has no intention of bringing him back. He wont get an extension by being traded somewhere mid-season. He wants to be traded now. He will force the action if Utah cant get a deal done...just wait.

Considering Millsap is the starter in 10-11 its pointless to keep Boozer around. Build chemistry with what youre going to have for the next 3-4 yrs.

[idajazz]

Am I reading this wrong?

Yes. I said the Jazz cant take the gamble that all that will happen. What happens if he get injured again? His game may already show this, but what if his mentality changes to "get mine." What if he demands a trade to the media because Utah wont extend him? He could pull an AK and weaken our position even more.

Its way too fairy tale to think Boozer will play hard, stay injury free, re-establish trade value and Utah gets something great. Where is the guarantee that Boozer is going to be on board with this? If Utah hasnt traded him by training camp Boozer will force the issue himself. He will play hard in his contract year, but his goal is to secure an extension and not hit FA next summer. He also will be traded no matter what by the deadline because he wants his new team to own his bird rights because Utah has no intention of bringing him back. He wont get an extension by being traded somewhere mid-season. He wants to be traded now. He will force the action if Utah cant get a deal done...just wait.

Considering Millsap is the starter in 10-11 its pointless to keep Boozer around. Build chemistry with what youre going to have for the next 3-4 yrs.

Worst case is that he is an a-hole, whines, gets benched, or he gets injured and sits out most of the season and then the Jazz just let him walk and his ENTIRE salary comes off the books.
those scenarios do not help Boozer in any way, his best bet is to be a good team mate and play great.

[carrottop12]

The problem with analyzing this situation and comparing it to similar situations in the past is that the Jazz haven't ever had to pay this kind of luxury tax before.

Being a small market team, the Jazz can't just pay an extra 10 million dollars and stay in a lame duck state of mind.

The Jazz will make a move.

[outerspacefella]

Until midseason tradeline KOC has some cards in his hands; no need to rush. Even if KOC get a Tyrus Thomas for Boozer, the guy may end up playing this only season in a Jazz uni.
Jazz can still end up trading Kirilenko at some point, or they may be going after a Hinrich for Boozer (out off all players mentioned in a Boozer trade Hinrich is IMHO by far the best for Utah). And don't forget Brewer extension, Korver talks, Har`ring possibly retiring or may be buyed out.... who knows at this point?
Jazz fan base needs to ease up a little bit on Boozer (myself inlcuded of course....).
Ultimately Jazz will pay lux tax if they're playing premiere basketball and don't think the big youngsters are there to contribute big time yet.

[Clint Eastwood]

would you guys have interest in hinrich and tyrus thomas for boozer and miles? you only save 1-2 million this year, but you likely strengthen your team for this year and moving forward. tax wise it may be a no go for your managment of the cap next year unless you can trade kirilenko. but miles to hinrich next year if you dont sign/extend tyrus is only 5.3 mil more next year.

[Paper Face]

would you guys have interest in hinrich and tyrus thomas for boozer and miles? you only save 1-2 million this year, but you likely strengthen your team for this year and moving forward. tax wise it may be a no go for your managment of the cap next year unless you can trade kirilenko. but miles to hinrich next year if you dont sign/extend tyrus is only 5.3 mil more next year.

I would love that trade. I would love to have Hinrich on the Jazz.

40% from the 3, low turnovers, proficient playmaker and perimeter defense. Just show me where to sign.

Tyrus would be icing on the cake.

[The Sheik]

would you guys have interest in hinrich and tyrus thomas for boozer and miles? you only save 1-2 million this year, but you likely strengthen your team for this year and moving forward. tax wise it may be a no go for your managment of the cap next year unless you can trade kirilenko. but miles to hinrich next year if you dont sign/extend tyrus is only 5.3 mil more next year.

Unlike everyone here that has a man crush on Tyrus I dont think we have any need for him. We just re-signed Price to be our backup PG for 2 yrs and drafted Maynor. I realize Hinrich plays good D, can play the 2, hit from deep, but it makes no sense for us.

Tyrus Thomas, Jerome James and 1st would get it done for me.

I dont think the Jazz intend to trade away Brewer, Miles and Kofous. Especially just to get cap relief. We have committed to paying the tax this season. We are not gonna throw away young players to make the hit less. If we can get Thomas and cap relief Im fine with it too.

[erudite23]

The problem with analyzing this situation and comparing it to similar situations in the past is that the Jazz haven't ever had to pay this kind of luxury tax before.

Being a small market team, the Jazz can't just pay an extra 10 million dollars and stay in a lame duck state of mind.

The Jazz will make a move.

Bat...I'm so confused. You have been beating this horn all off season. What is it about the circumstances that has you so convinced that Utah will not pay the luxury tax? We're not NO or even SA. We have been around the middle to upper half of revenue generating teams in the NBA for 3 seasons now. We have the money to do this. Why do you keep saying that we don't.

[Clint Eastwood]

would you guys have interest in hinrich and tyrus thomas for boozer and miles? you only save 1-2 million this year, but you likely strengthen your team for this year and moving forward. tax wise it may be a no go for your managment of the cap next year unless you can trade kirilenko. but miles to hinrich next year if you dont sign/extend tyrus is only 5.3 mil more next year.

Unlike everyone here that has a man crush on Tyrus I dont think we have any need for him. We just re-signed Price to be our backup PG for 2 yrs and drafted Maynor. I realize Hinrich plays good D, can play the 2, hit from deep, but it makes no sense for us.

Tyrus Thomas, Jerome James and 1st would get it done for me.

I dont think the Jazz intend to trade away Brewer, Miles and Kofous. Especially just to get cap relief. We have committed to paying the tax this season. We are not gonna throw away young players to make the hit less. If we can get Thomas and cap relief Im fine with it too.

i think the bulls would far and away prefer your deal. its the same deal but we keep hinrich and you keep miles? its not my money, its reinsdorfs, but that deal from a player standpoint is great for the bulls.

[Paper Face]

I realize Hinrich plays good D, can play the 2, hit from deep, but it makes no sense for us.

How does Hinrich not make sense?

He gives the Jazz a legitimate starting backcourt... not just as a starter, but as Deron's backup. Throw in Brewer, and the Jazz can have two starters in the backcourt at all times. That alone is worth his contract.

Speaking of which, he has a contract that descends in pay each year instead of increasing.

He cuts down on turnovers and increases our steals total.

He's a threat from the 3.

He's one of the best defensive guards in the league.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

How does Hinrich not make sense?

He gives the Jazz a legitimate starting backcourt... not just as a starter, but as Deron's backup. Throw in Brewer, and the Jazz can have two starters in the backcourt at all times. That alone is worth his contract.

Speaking of which, he has a contract that descends in pay each year instead of increasing.

He cuts down on turnovers and increases our steals total.

He's a threat from the 3.

He's one of the best defensive guards in the league.

Although I think the Bulls will never give us Hinrich in a Boozer deal I agree he does make a lot of sense for the Jazz. He gives the Jazz everything that they are in need of where they need it.

[Clint Eastwood]

How does Hinrich not make sense?

He gives the Jazz a legitimate starting backcourt... not just as a starter, but as Deron's backup. Throw in Brewer, and the Jazz can have two starters in the backcourt at all times. That alone is worth his contract.

Speaking of which, he has a contract that descends in pay each year instead of increasing.

He cuts down on turnovers and increases our steals total.

He's a threat from the 3.

He's one of the best defensive guards in the league.

Although I think the Bulls will never give us Hinrich in a Boozer deal I agree he does make a lot of sense for the Jazz. He gives the Jazz everything that they are in need of where they need it.

i think that hinrich could be traded in the right circumstances. those being that we need a solid 2 guard in the deal like miles or brewer and if hinrich goes, we likely will not be willing to take on salary to avoid the tax. if hinrich stays in a boozer deal, maybe reinsdorf could be convinced to take some tax for one year.

[holyboy2009]

The Jazz are taking their sweet time on trading Boozer. I wonder where he is going. First people say he is going to Detroit, then it's Chicago, then it's the Heat. THen it's Chicago. Then it's the Knicks.
Now it's between Chicago, Heat, Nets, Knicks, Pistons -- all of the above. I have a feeling Jazz are going to take all summer with this guy. But I'd like to know soon. What's the latest News on this guy?
Where is he going?

[The Sheik]

How does Hinrich not make sense?

Well I never said Hinrich didnt make sense. I said having him as part of the trade doesnt make sense. We just shelled out money to Price and drafted Maynor it makes no sense whatsoever to trade for Hinrich. I personally do not think he is available to Utah, but even if he was it makes things way to complicated. It creates an even bigger log jam at the wing positions. Even if he has a decreasing contract its still has 2 yrs and 17 mil dollars left on it. We would have roughly 66.7 mil in committed salaries. That means to avoid another season of lux tax we would have to let Korver, Brewer and Thomas all walk.

Hinrich just makes way too much.

[Paper Face]

Well I never said Hinrich didnt make sense. I said having him as part of the trade doesnt make sense.

Ah... I understand better now.

To me it still makes sense and here's why: With a three-headed backcourt like that, added to all the front court talent they would end up having after that deal, the Jazz become a contender in the West. Thus, they warrant LTax money.

The luxury hit will only last two years at the most because AK's contract finally comes to an end the year after that. And when AK is expiring next year, he could be moved much sooner. So all that money isn't necessarily committed. But even if they end up just letting AK's contract expire, we're still just looking at two years.

Would the Jazz do that to keep Deron surrounded with talent and contending? I think so. The long term investment of all of this is so that Deron stays in Utah because he knows that they are willing to step up and give him a chance to contend. If we happen to lose Korver in the process, I think that's ok.