Tom Moore 2.0

SouthJersey · Post #761 » by **SouthJersey** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:06 am

Kevin Ollie type guys just dont grow on trees you know

ryst · Post #762 » by **ryst** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:15 am

tmoore wrote:Been asked why the Sixers would go into a rebuilding mode -- by not re-signing Miller or by (probably) not using the MLE one year after signing Brand to an $82 million contract. It's a reasonable question. From what I hear, Sixers were willing to trade Miller at the Feb. 19 deadline, but couldn't get anything worthwhile in return. With the cap and luxury tax declining this year and again in 2010, the Sixers have decided to turn the page to Williams/Holiday/vet-minimum salary PG.

its all fun and bull in Ed Stefanski world.
i admire stefanski , he is the master of spinning

every year all over the league players are getting traded , good players,bad players,good contracts,bad contracts,injured players,etc

yet in sixers land every one is untradeable
Dalembert is untradeable
Green is untradeable
brand is untradeable
iguodala is untradeable(because of his contract)
and now we find out that according to stefanski andre Miller is also is untradeable

that got to be some kind of bermuda triangle , philadelphia 76ers , were all the untradeable players go to die!!!

i dont buy it, i think stefanski made some mistakes and now the ownership put him into a bad situation , he is orderd to not spend one more dime and trying to save face by lieing to the fans.

as long as stefanski is in charge this team will not win

ankle420breaker · Post #763 » by **ankle420breaker** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:46 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... th_miller/

Miller met with Donnie Walsh today in NY. All they can offer is the MLE, and Miller wants more than that. Perhaps the Duhon S&T rumor reheats itself?

radrmd216 · Post #764 » by **radrmd216** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:56 am

I think the Sixers can win some games while Stefanski is the GM. It might take a few years when the young guysare starting to peak but they might be able to win 50 games in a few seasons. They wouldn't wn a chmapionship if Ed was the Gm or if somebody else was.

I just think it was a mistake trade for Miller and then sign Brand. Ed Snider probably wanted the Sixers to stay relevant and have the same type of ticket sales as the Iverson era, and those two things obviously haven't happened.

If brand has a good season the Sixers will probably get lose in the first round again. It's hard to see the Sixers being a lottery team witha healthy brand and Kapono getting some open 3pt looks. Maybe a team in win now mode with aging stars like the Mavs or Nuggets would trade for Brand at the 2011 trade deadline. It just sucks that the Sixers will probably lose in the first round this year and maybe trade Brand in the offseason and have a worse team in two years rather than this upcoming season.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #765 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:00 am

ryst wrote:
tmoore wrote:Been asked why the Sixers would go into a rebuilding mode -- by not re-signing Miller or by (probably) not using the MLE one year after signing Brand to an $82 million contract. It's a reasonable question. From what I hear, Sixers were willing to trade Miller at the Feb. 19 deadline, but couldn't get anything worthwhile in return. With the cap and luxury tax declining this year and again in 2010, the Sixers have decided to turn the page to Williams/Holiday/vet-minimum salary PG.

its all fun and bull in Ed Stefanski world.
i admire stefanski , he is the master of spinning

every year all over the league players are getting traded , good players,bad players,good contracts,bad contracts,injured players,etc

yet in sixers land every one is untradeable
Dalembert is untradeable
Green is untradeable
brand is untradeable
iguodala is untradeable(because of his contract)
and now we find out that according to stefanski andre Miller is also is untradeable

that got to be some kind of bermuda triangle , philadelphia 76ers , were all the untradeable players go to die!!!

i dont buy it, i think stefanski made some mistakes and now the ownership put him into a bad situation , he is orderd to not spend one more dime and trying to save face by lieing to the fans.

as long as stefanski is in charge this team will not win

Then I guess you also don't buy the reports from various media outlets about the teams like the Rockets rejecting Dalembert deals.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #766 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:04 am

Tom:

Is the Sixers lack of activity this offseason due to planning for the future or is it strictly because the cap number and luxury tax territory may drop?

If it is the former then I'm fine, but if it is the latter then the organization truly should just sell the team.

SixersfutureGM · Post #767 » by **SixersfutureGM** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:07 am

tmoore wrote:Stefanski: "We were aggressive last year. It was a year we could be aggressive (because the Sixers had room under the salary cap). We went and made a big splash. It’s not like we could carry this money forward with us. We were very happy we did sign Andre Iguodala. (Elton) Brand was the best free-agent power forward on the market."

^^^ what a horrible statement. Give me and the sixers a break, we were aggressive last year so we can not be aggressive this year... thats a loser mentality. The cavs got mo williams.. it didnt work out, so they got shaq, moon, and anthony parker AND resign AV... thats how its done, u keep being agressive. Its annoying to hear him admit he basically messed up because he was too aggressive last year and now he has to regroup.

1 step forward, 2 steps back ALWAYS with this team. Trade for kirk if you can because then you have pieces that fit and gives us a chance to catch lighting in the bottle...

ryst · Post #768 » by **ryst** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:14 am

westbrook ,
even if the rockets didnt want dalembert that doesnt matter
there are many teams in the league and all of them are willing partners
dont you think its strange that stefanski answer to everything is that there is no market for this player and that even when there is they didnt like what they were offered?
to me it seems like he is to lazy and close minded , GM's who want to make deals just push hard enough,try harder and make deals.

sixers is the only team in the history of the NBA with so many untradeable players...give me a break...

stefanski also think that sixers fans are stupid because coming out and saying that there was no market(or offer good enough) for Miller at the deadline is like spitting in our faces

there are at least 10-15 teams(taking miller as an expiring,final piece to a contender,etc) who would have traded for Miller at the deadline and gave the sixers good value in return
stefanski is just a bad GM who cant close out a deal

the bulls would trade Hinrich for Miller at the deadline in a heart bit , then they would have enough cap space to resign Gordon or other players , so stefanski should STFU and not giving us that terrible line about miller.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #769 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:17 am

It isn't just Stefanski. Tons of outlets all summer have been reporting that the Sixers have been offering Dalembert but teams are declining. So if you think Stefanski is lying, you must think all the media outlets are lying too.

Not to mention SF and Tom Moore.

ryst · Post #770 » by **ryst** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:19 am

Westbrook36 wrote:It isn't just Stefanski. Tons of outlets all summer have been reporting that the Sixers have been offering Dalembert but teams are declining. So if you think Stefanski is lying, you must think all the media outlets are lying too.

Not to mention SF and Tom Moore.

how about Miller?
do you belive stefanski when he said that there was no market(or offer good enough) for Miller at the trade deadline?

LongLiveHinkie · Post #771 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:21 am

Yes, sure do. It shows now. No one wants Miller.

radrmd216 · Post #772 » by **radrmd216** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:23 am

I understand that everybody is frustrated that the Sixers signed Brand last season and wont sign an MLE player this season, but most of the teams making moves right now have franchise players. The Spurs, Cavs, and Magic are going to go very deep into the playoffs so when they pay luxury tax money they recoup it by selling out regular season home games and playoff games. When the Sixers pay extra money they don't have a way to get it back. A business can't keep spending if it can't generate revenue. I'm ok with the Sixers saving money now whle the team is young but I would be angry if they don't make moves the young guys are starting to peak. Based on evidence from the last decade I think the Sixers will spend money when they fell they can be a very good team. A team like the Clippers doesn't spend money becuase they are in a huge market in Los Angeles, so they don't necessarily have to win games to get people to but tickets or charge big money for luxury boxes.

ryst · Post #773 » by **ryst** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:24 am

Westbrook36 wrote:Yes, sure do. It shows now. No one wants Miller.

i am sure you understand the difference between Miller as a free agent to Miller as an expiring contract to a team who wants to ger rid of salary...

LongLiveHinkie · Post #774 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:24 am

I'm sure a team would take Miller if they could dump bad contracts onto us, but why would the Sixers do that?

ryst · Post #775 » by **ryst** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:28 am

yes , a team like the Bulls would have loved to dump Hinrich huge contract on us at the deadline...just like they are trying to do now with anyone who has a pulse...

radrmd216 · Post #776 » by **radrmd216** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:29 am

I think Miller should have been traded for whatever the best package was, but what were some teams he could have been traded to?

ryst · Post #777 » by **ryst** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:33 am

radrmd216 wrote:I think Miller should have been traded for whatever the best package was, but what were soem teams he could have been traded to?

bulls,magic(before the alston deal),cavs
pistons,pacers,lakers,portland,golden state

just from the top of my head

LongLiveHinkie · Post #778 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:33 am

ryst wrote:yes , a team like the Bulls would have loved to dump Hinrich huge contract on us at the deadline...just like they are trying to do now with anyone who has a pulse...

All speculation just like everything else you have been saying. It is all based on other team's deals and not the Sixers. You base Brand's value on Jefferson, you base Dalembert's value on Randolph, and you base Miller's value off Chicago offering Hinrich to other teams.

tmoore · Post #779 » by **tmoore** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:37 am

Westbrook36 wrote:Tom:

Is the Sixers lack of activity this offseason due to planning for the future or is it strictly because the cap number and luxury tax territory may drop?

If it is the former then I'm fine, but if it is the latter then the organization truly should just sell the team.

I think it's a combination of both. With the cap going down again next year, the Sixers already have $57.9 million committed to 10 players in 2010-11. I'd rather they use the MLE next year, when there are more players worthy of it, than this year. Plus, with Dalembert, Green and Kapono coming off the cap in 2011, they could offer a multi-year deal and not worry about the luxury tax.

radrmd216 · Post #780 » by **radrmd216** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:37 am

Yea but I mean actually think of what abtrade could have been. The Sixers obviously want value for Miller. None of those teams probably wanted to give anything of value. I think you can critisize Ed here because Miller obviously had to future with the Sixers, but I'm guessing you think we could have gotten something really good for Miller when probably nothing good was offered. Ed should have traded Miller for something though because something is bettr than nothing unless its an inferior player with multiple years still left on his contract.