WTF is Boozer doing?

schneiderjazz · Post #1 » by **schneiderjazz** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:29 am

One day he's talking about how it would be awesome to play for the Bulls. Not even a week later, he wants to go to Miami. Why doesn't he just shut the **** up? I haven't seen the Jazz FO say anything about trading Boozer yet. The only thing I read was KOC saying "If a player is under contract, I expect him to play" or something along those lines.
Is Boozer helping or hurting the Jazz running his mouth like that? Teams might get desperate and offer the Jazz better deals, because they don't wanna miss the chance of landing Boozer. Or they can just lowball the Jazz, because they know Boozer is on his way out anyways. All I know is he's sounding like an idiot and a very unprofessional one. I was never a big Boozer fan and now he's just giving me more reasons to hate him. /end rant

Fido · Post #2 » by **Fido** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:32 am

I loved Randy Rigby's response when asked for his reaction to Boozer's national tour talking about how great other teams would be to play for:
He opted in, didn't he? :rofl2:

RussellandFlow · Post #3 » by **RussellandFlow** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:32 am

Boozer is not helping the Jazz that's for sure. Whether it's in February or in July of next year he ultimately will end up in South Beach.

kamazilla · Post #4 » by **kamazilla** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:45 am

He'll end up in South Beach IF that is what benefits him most financially. After all, the man moved there in the first place for tax reasons.. Really glad his antics will be playing on a stage far from SLC.

outerspacefella · Post #5 » by **outerspacefella** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:58 am

Something must be wrong with Boozer's brain. If he doesn't start to take care of his mouth he could end up like that guy who "had to fed his family", remember?
A couple days ago I've started to think may be some of us have been a bit harsh on Boozer... but man... dude has an awesome knack for finding ways out of redemption!

kamazilla · Post #6 » by **kamazilla** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:01 am

Oh, and btw the reason he is running off at the mouth regarding his excitement level at the prospect of playing in Chicago or Miami is to excercize influence, if not control, on his future trade destination. The reasoning goes as such: The Bulls or Heat now believe they would have the upper hand in resigning him over other teams, therefore would offer stronger packages to the Jazz in order to acquire his services. Jazz make he deal, everyone is happy.

Though every word Boozer utters on the record comes off as being very calculated, is he smart enough to have figured out this dynamic and is now playing the media in cities all over the NBA in order to get what he wants? Umm... No; Pelinka would have to be behind this, with Boozer an enthusiastic participant.

outerspacefella · Post #7 » by **outerspacefella** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:04 am

Fido wrote:I loved Randy Rigby's response when asked for his reaction to Boozer's national tour talking about how great other teams would be to play for:
He opted in, didn't he?

+1 RR!

outerspacefella · Post #8 » by **outerspacefella** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:19 am

The more Boozer talks, the more he makes it obvious he cannot be in a Jazz uni at season start, the less other teams will be willing to give away talent for him, so less are the chances for Jazz brass to pull the trigger.
Memo to Pelinka: Convince Chicago to give up Tyrus Thomas and Chris Hinrich for Boozer, or Miami to give uo Beasley, Jones and pick or considerations, and just stop the crap.

blackham9258 · Post #9 » by **blackham9258** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:23 am

He is hurting the Jazz. Period! If Boozer said nothing the Jazz would have more leverage with other teams. They could come out and say, "Hey everybody, we like our team and we love Carlos Boozer! We are rich and we don't mind paying the tax." The Jazz might even invite Pelinka in for contract extension talks. All of this would cause his value to go up, and make it seem as though things are fine. Because, if Boozer is perceived as being wanted by his current team, and contract talks are ongoing etc. etc. etc. the opposing teams who might be interested find themselves having to pry him away from us, and thus will offer more.

In this current environment, each statement he makes causes a greater rift or divide between he and the Jazz and their fans. Each statement he makes alienates him from his teammates. And once he alienates himself from his teamates, the front office and the fans..... all the other teams know we can't go out and say things are fine, and we want him here. There is blood in the water.

Teams will know that we have to trade him because he will become a team cancer. They will also know that we will have to likely trade him before the season so as to avoid going into camp with all this baggage. And if we have to trade him before camp, we will have fewer teams to trade him to, and they will offer very little to get him. If we could wait until the season began or more teams felt like he would be willing to stay after the season, they would be willing to offer more now.

Boozer is handcuffing the Jazz right now and I am sure they are steamed. Over the coming days if they are not getting what they want, they will leave Boozer out to dry. They will bring him to camp, fine him, and put him as a back up and thus drive down his value for next year. Or, they will at least threaten to do this kind of thing to his agent to shut him up.

outerspacefella · Post #10 » by **outerspacefella** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:31 am

It's already too late to shut him up. Damage is done. Teams should have the right to big time fine this kind of behavior, because it certainly hurt them.

Wolverine · Post #11 » by **Wolverine** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:48 am

outerspacefella wrote:Memo to Pelinka: Convince Chicago to give up Tyrus Thomas and Chris Hinrich for Boozer, or Miami to give uo Beasley, Jones and pick or considerations, and just stop the crap.

Chris Hinrich? Who is this you speak of? :lol:

tankster · Post #12 » by **tankster** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:53 am

A little tough to buy into all the Boozer vitriol. The Jazz are making the same mistake with him that they made with Kirilenko. Andre wanted out in the worst way. Even said he'd walk away from his contract at one point. The Jazz should have let him go for all he's contributed since. His contract continues to be a millstone around our neck.

The Jazz have made their choice in Milsap. The fans have got what they asked for. So the guy wants out of here now and I don't blame him for that. Why shouldn't he be free to say where he'd rather go? He doesn't seem to be in anyone's plans in this town.

You want him gone? Quit pissin about him wanting to leave!

HammerDunk · Post #13 » by **HammerDunk** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:49 am

Tankster, are you Boozer's sister?

I am tired of the prick and want him gone, plain and simple. Pretty much any trade deal sounds dandy to me at this point, he is a cancer...

boogydown · Post #14 » by **boogydown** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:16 am

Well many teams are not going to be interested because they know he is just a 1 year rental.

drivewayball · Post #15 » by **drivewayball** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:00 am

Let me get this right ... Both Boozer and the team management have announced that the team told Boozer he was not in their future plans and that they mutually agreed to a trade. Now that newspapers from cities that would like to have Boozer play for them are calling him for interviews, and he's saying nice things about their cities and how he would enjoy playing for their teams, you actually have a problem with that? Knowing that Booz would like to play in either Miami or Chicago can only help negotiations with those teams, not hurt them.

BIRDMAN BIRDMAN · Post #16 » by **BIRDMAN BIRDMAN** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:38 am

It's believed that Haslem / Future 1st / James Jones or someone is being offered for Booz.

Meanwhile, a buddy of mines who has some strong sources just logged on and said Bulls are back on the race for Booz, but the Jazz wants one specific player, I can't tell who it is to fulfill my promises to him to keep our highlights of our talks confidential in exchange of giving me inside stuff.

Anyways, a move will certain to happen if not by Friday, by next week.

red4hf · Post #17 » by **red4hf** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:40 am

WTF is Millsap doing?

Signing a frontloaded contract with a divisional rival, whose coach and GM he never even talked to about his role on the team....... And then he sends out his "agent" to trash the Jazz organization? Only to later claim all is well and good.......

He surely isn't helping the chemistry of the Jazz.......

Leto · Post #18 » by **Leto** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:21 pm

Re: WTF is Boozer doing? He's pushing for a trade and simultaneously driving down his value.

I think there's a lot more behind this than meets the eye. They could have easily just let Milsap go and kept Boozer, who is by most estimations a better player. They didn't. It can only mean a couple things 1) they dodn't think Boozer is good enough to take them where they want to go 2) It's an internal conflict between Boozer and the players and/or management. Or, a combination of both. Boozer is looking out for Boozer. He doesn't want to be in Utah.

The Jazz won't get Hinrich and Tyrus for Boozer. The Bulls might trade Tyrus for him, but I doubt it. I only say that because I don't think the Bulls want Boozer long term. If that's the case, they won't be sending good players nor prospects for a one year rental. Personally, I'd give you Brad Miller and next years first unprotected and be hesitant to do that. It's also why I think the Heat are a better trade partner because they may be willing to make a commitment more readily than the Bulls simply because Wade is pushing them. I think we'll know something pretty soon.

rick333 · Post #19 » by **rick333** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:50 pm

Booz, thank you for the inside information. Don't be offended if I take it with a grain of salt. As you know many people claim to have the inside track, but I will keep it on my mind until Friday and into next week.

Any thought that perhaps the Jazz are holding out for Deng? We know Thomas is available. We don't need Heinrich. Just thinking outside the box.

schneiderjazz · Post #20 » by **schneiderjazz** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:47 pm

drivewayball wrote:Let me get this right ... Both Boozer and the team management have announced that the team told Boozer he was not in their future plans and that they mutually agreed to a trade. Now that newspapers from cities that would like to have Boozer play for them are calling him for interviews, and he's saying nice things about their cities and how he would enjoy playing for their teams, you actually have a problem with that? Knowing that Booz would like to play in either Miami or Chicago can only help negotiations with those teams, not hurt them.

I don't think management has announced this at all. Boozer was the one who announce it. Nobody is denying that they told him they were going in a different direction, but Boozer was the one and only who told the media about it as far as I know.

tankster wrote:A little tough to buy into all the Boozer vitriol. The Jazz are making the same mistake with him that they made with Kirilenko. Andre wanted out in the worst way. Even said he'd walk away from his contract at one point. The Jazz should have let him go for all he's contributed since. His contract continues to be a millstone around our neck.

The Jazz have made their choice in Milsap. The fans have got what they asked for. So the guy wants out of here now and I don't blame him for that. Why shouldn't he be free to say where he'd rather go? He doesn't seem to be in anyone's plans in this town.

You want him gone? Quit pissin about him wanting to leave!

Tankster, seriously, you gotta be a relative or friend of Carlos. The guy just can't do wrong in your eyes. If Carlos knew he wasn't in the Jazz plans, he could have just opted out and signed with another team. Why didn't he?
IMO, because he wants money. Plain and simple. AK said he'd walk away from over 40 million dollars. Boozer couldn't walk away from 12. Jazz made a huge investment in Boozer. They should be able to get some value back for it. Boozer might be hurting their chances.