Tom Moore 2.0

[wow444]

Hell no, we need a shotblocking 5.

I think it will be more like;

LW
AI
Thad
EB
Smith/Speights

Heck I think that I'd rather see Kapono start and play a zone on D. I also would rather see Green in the lineup than SD.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

My god, Green over Dalembert? What are you NUTS?

We don't need Green's worthless 8 PPG in the lineup with LwILL already there. And we don't know the rotation or what Eddie Jordan's thinking.

But if we look back, Washington's bigs were Etan Thomas and Brendan Haywood. Samuel Dalembert is obviously an upgrade over those two players.

Sure, Sammy makes his dumb fouls, and yes a goaltend now and then and a defensive 3 second violation. But what he gives you is someone who can alter and change shots.

Do you wanna be the New York Knicks and score 125 but lose 130?

[corwin]

Don't torture me.

Sorry but misery loves company.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Saw this on Hoopsworld and if true, I wonder why Watson would prefer Orlando to Philly.

UPDATE: The Orlando Magic used thier Bi-Annual Exception last year and do not according to Magic sources have any of their median exception available after the Barnes deal. The only way the Magic can offer Watson more than the NBA minimum is via sign and trade, and that does not appear to be in the works.

So if it's true that we offered like 2.3 mil for 1 year and all the Magic can offer is the NBA Min (which I assume is not more than half our offer based on Watson years of service - maybe I'm wrong?) why would he take that offer over ours? I would think he would be better served by taking our offer and hitting FA again next year. In the long run it seems he would mae a lot more $$ that way even if he has to settle for the NBA min next year. I can't imagine the Magic offer is for more than 2 years so I can't see how he wins there. He's basically guaranteed more playing time here than he would be in Orlando too.

[Gsraider]

We don't need Green's worthless 8 PPG in the lineup with LwILL already there. And we don't know the rotation or what Eddie Jordan's thinking.

It will be scary and interesting at the same time to see what happens with W. Green. Notwithstanding what fans thought of him, he remained a key part of the rotation under Cheeks and it continued under DiLeo. Some presumed that was because this was part of the group that was still there when B. King was in charge and may have been a bit more attached to him because they had a hand in drafting and grooming him.

Now, an outsider has entered the mix in E. Jordan with no ties whatsoever to Green. At this point, if Green starts or remains a key component within the rotation, perhaps Green is more highly regarded than we as fans think. It seems obvious to me that he needs his role reduced and to be a reserve, but the only thing that matters right now is what Jordan thinks.

[sixerfan1976]

i think if miller and portland agree to a contract..they may call us about blake for miller sign and trade. so they would have a little money left to get a backup big man.

we seem to prefer dixon and knight over lue etc. maybe we go after watson again since barnes signed with ORL adn they cant afford watson

otherwise..there isnt much to talk about

[Gsraider]

i think if miller and portland agree to a contract..they may call us about blake for miller sign and trade. so they would have a little money left to get a backup big man.

Based on what you and Tom have said, do you think Philly would even consider the Blake/Outlaw rumor that was originally reported? It almost seems like more money than Philly would take back at this point. The wiretap also reports that the Blazers are now dangling Bayless in trade talks, so I wonder if Philly would have any interest in him. Blake or Outlaw and Bayless seems a lot closer to the maximum amount Philly would take back and more in line with what Miller could expect in the first year of a new deal. Would Philly be willing to take on another young PG prospect though?

[sixerfan1976]

i dont think portland really wants to move bayless. i dont think we take another guy who is our future PG. holliday is the future.

i also think even tho blake/outlaw fills two holes...that they are concerned over the salaries of the two combined even if its one year. so i think if a sign/trade is arranged..its just blake.

i think miller situation resolves soon..if knicks go for sessions...then miller has one option..portland.

its either straight sign or sign/trade.

then plan b is watson/arroyo/dixon/knight

add a big...swing man etc.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

I like C.J Watson, young kid that can shoot. If Watson is a Sixer, then Stefanski's going for the youth movement as there's no veteran leadership amongst those 3 young kids.

This means we're gonna lose games that we reasonably should win, turnovers, etc. I think Holiday should be the starter. Holiday's already a better defender then Watson/Lou and Holiday seems really poised.

9 PTS/4 AST/2.0 Turnovers in 15 minutes, not too much to ask.

[tk76]

Now, an outsider has entered the mix in E. Jordan with no ties whatsoever to Green. At this point, if Green starts or remains a key component within the rotation, perhaps Green is more highly regarded than we as fans think. It seems obvious to me that he needs his role reduced and to be a reserve, but the only thing that matters right now is what Jordan thinks.

The Same EJ who is used to having DeShawn Stevenson start for him for 3 straight seasons. Lou/Green is similary stylistically (but not in talent) to Arenas/Stevenson.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... 01&y2=2009

[Gsraider]

i dont think portland really wants to move bayless. i dont think we take another guy who is our future PG. holliday is the future.

I'm not sure I like that way of thinking, but it's obviously not my call. Holiday is far from a sure thing, so why not give yourself another option and let them compete? Besides, it wasn't that long ago that GM's actually liked having additional assets on their roster to potentially trade.

i also think even tho blake/outlaw fills two holes...that they are concerned over the salaries of the two combined even if its one year. so i think if a sign/trade is arranged..its just blake. i think miller situation resolves soon..if knicks go for sessions...then miller has one option..portland. its either straight sign or sign/trade.

I haven't been keeping an eye on the current salary situation. Would taking on about $8.9 million push them into luxury tax territory? Obviously, both come off the books after this year, so it would not have any impact on 2010. I still think it makes way, way more sense for Portland to do a S&T than sign him outright, but obviously, it's their decision. If so, why not push for Outlaw who makes a little less ($4 million per) and increase your one year offer to Watson to about $3 million or so? If the range is about $7 million that Philly will take back, this would accomplish that goal and fill two needs. Now, if only they could convince Portland and Watson why this is a reasonable idea.

[Court_visioN]

slightly off-topic, but http://www.nba.com/sixers/video/2009/07 ... index.html
Eddie Jordan and the coaching staff working with Jason Smith, Sam Dalembert, and Jrue Holiday. An interesting interview at the end with Dalembert when he mentions that he has played in the Princeton offense before!

[doctor him]

slightly off-topic, but http://www.nba.com/sixers/video/2009/07 ... index.html
Eddie Jordan and the coaching staff working with Jason Smith, Sam Dalembert, and Jrue Holiday. An interesting interview at the end with Dalembert when he mentions that he has played in the Princeton offense before!

Are we sure that Sammy didn't misunderstand the question? Maybe he thought he was being asked if he's ever driven past Princeton.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Did he even go to High School? That's what I caught. He said he played the Princeton in High School, really?

If so, we may have made misconceptions about Daly and whether he fits in the rotation.

I liked what I saw in that scrimmage. Obviously there's no defense but the thing with the screen and roll, is that Sammy's man is gonna have to guard Iggy. And that's gonna be interesting.

I think this is Sammy's breakout year. Look, I'm trying to be optomistic

[still in payne]

It was great to see Sam actually in a gym during the summer, rather than rebuilding computers. Hopefully Jordan got into his head - there's plenty of room in there. Jason Smith looks like he hasn't lost any mobility (one of his strengths) and may have bulked up a bit. If only we could resolve the backcourt...

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

It's hard as HELL to find his HS stats, but he played at St.Patricks.

[Court_visioN]

I think Sammy can shoot the ball better than we give him credit for. Granted, I don't want to see him throwing up 10 shots a game but I think he could do alright in limited pick and pop situations just to keep the defense honest. His forté is diving to the rim for lobs and dunks but you have to mix it up a little.

Sixers twitter account also mentioned Jrue Holiday at one point his 10 straight threes from the corner, which is a pretty good sign.

[doctor him]

i also think even tho blake/outlaw fills two holes...that they are concerned over the salaries of the two combined even if its one year. so i think if a sign/trade is arranged..its just blake.

I like to think of myself as a rational fan but this makes me very sad.

I get not going out and adding a tone of long term salary to this team. They are "mediocre" until they do something on the court this year. 1 year contracts around the vet minimum is more prudent than exciting and sometimes you have to be prudent.

I get the financial concerns around the economy and attendance though the later is more of an excuse IMHO.

However...Outlaw would be a pretty nice upgrade as the first 3/4 off the bench and as a guy who is long, athletic and can really shoot it. AND...this for me is the kicker...he's an expiring contract. So there is only a 1 year committment to him at slightly over $4 mil.

Trust me...I get not going out and bringing in a guy with 4 years and $16 million on his deal. That's a long term financial committment for a team that is in a bit of flux. I don't blame them for not bringing in a flashy name like a Jason Richardson, because his deal is really rich.

But when we start turning our noses up at guys on 1 year deals...guys who can actually play (even if his BBIQ is at Sammy levels)...then I've gotta be concerned about this team's direction long term.

Thanks...I feel better getting that off my chest.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Dalembert barely averages 8 shots a game and he only really touches it 9-15 times a night. AT BEST.

Miller took 5 more shots then I want out of my PG.

[Court_visioN]

What would be the Sixers cap situation if they added both Blake and Outlaw this year? It seems to me they would be right up there at the luxury tax if not over it, which may be why they're reluctant to pull the trigger.