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Post#41 » by NY Kicks » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:53 pm

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Mastergvg wrote:Tony Parker / Jose Calderon / JR Holden
Rudy Fernandez / Marco Belinelli / JC Navarro
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Pau Gasol / Dirk Nowitzki / Felipe Reyes?
Marc Gasol / Pekovic / Okur?, Vujcic?

The starting lineup should be: Parker / Fernandez / Kirilenko / Dirk / Pau

They could work as a TEAM, and they would be very dificult to beat. If the travelling rule is the same for both teams, I think that the EURO team will win. FIBA rules or NBA rules?



You've gotta be kidding me :), Marc Gasol and Pekovic over Okur? Okur is double player what those guys make, and Kiri over Hedo...Instead, play Pau at center, Dirk is clear starting PF, Okur off the bench with Kiri and Hedo is a clear starter...Best euro team is that...SG part is too weak compared to Americans...Kobe would smash everyone easily...


to be fair why do you need Okur when you have Nowitski? Nowitski is way better than Okur. And you need someone in the paint too.

Pekovic has a better inside game than Okur.


Nope, Okur has inside games as well and clearly better than Pekovic as a player and center, but Dirk is of course better player overall who cant play center effectively. And, Hedo is also a true winner who should start over Kiri any day of the week with his lots of skills. I also forgot about Barg, he can have a spot in Euro team instead of Marc/Reyes.

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Post#42 » by jt142 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:43 am

ilikecb4 wrote:I think 1992 Yugoslavia team could have actually beat the dream team


And i'm not joking

Players like Petrovic were in their prime

legendary Drazen Petrovic, legendary Toni Kukoc, Vlade Divac, Paspalj......the team was loaded 1-12

every single guy on that team either played in the NBA or could have played in the NBA, and could probably make an All-star team..


:lol:

The Dream Team had an advantage over every team at every position, against any team that you can contrive in your head. They were a team of NBA HOFers and GOATs, and almost all of those players were in their prime back in '92. Your logic is foolish. If you truly believe that a unified Yugoslavia could beat the original Dream Team back in '92, you might need to have your head checked. Fact is, the Dream Team dominated their opponents at the '92 Olympics like none I've ever seen in my life. I guess whipping Croatia by over 30 points twice in one tourney wasn't enough evidence of their dominance, right? :roll:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the two best players from the former Yugoslavia at that time (Petrovic and Kukoc) played for Croatia, the same team the Dream Team destroyed by 33 and 32 pts. 30 points is a huge deficit no matter how you look at it.
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Post#43 » by Apollo64 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:12 am

Not saying that Yugoslavia could have beaten the Dream Team in '92, but it would have been a game for the ages and nowhere near a wipeout. And jt, ffs, you are showing your cluelessness by comparing the '92 Croatia with a monster like the '90 Yugoslavia, which was the best international team ever.
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Post#44 » by jt142 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:55 pm

Apollo64 wrote:Not saying that Yugoslavia could have beaten the Dream Team in '92, but it would have been a game for the ages and nowhere near a wipeout. And jt, ffs, you are showing your cluelessness by comparing the '92 Croatia with a monster like the '90 Yugoslavia, which was the best international team ever.


Game for the ages! :lol:

The '08 USA team against the '92 Dream Team would be one for the ages. They're the only team with the athleticism to keep up with them.

The 1990 WC, the Yugoslavian NT only beat Venezuela (a team the Dream Team blew out by 50 pts in qualifying) by just 8 points, lost to Puerto Rico (another team the Dream Team blew out by 40 pts) by 7 points :lol: , beat Angola (a team the Dream team defeated by over 60 pts in the Olympics) by 13 points, and only beat a team of American NCAA team by 9 pts. Yeah, I can see why you think they'd beat the Dream Team. :roll: You're either overrating the Yugoslavian NT, not looking at the stats, or know nothing about basketball. The fact that Yugoslavia could only beat Venezuela by 8 pts, lost to Puerto Rico, and barely beat a bunch of American college kids in the WC semis should be enough evidence that they're not close to the Dream Team's level. In addition, the only NBA All-Star on that team was Petrovic. That's not going to cut it against the best players in the world.

Anyone with any basketball knowledge would know that the Dream team was the best team (international, domestic, or whatever) ever created, period. No other team comes close. As I said before, the best Yugoslavian players of that time (Kukoc - the '90 WC MVP, Petrovic, and Radja) played on the Croatian team that the Dream Team destroyed by 32 and 33 points. There's a 30 point deficit that Yugoslavia would have to make up for, some how some way, and that's just not going to happen. You can throw Michael Jordan on the 1990 Yugoslavian team and they'd still lose. The only All-Star on that Yugoslavian team was Petrovic. The rest of the players on that team were just average NBA players (Kukoc, Divac, and Radja) or scrubs who's have trouble making it onto an NBA team. Paspalj played 28 games for San Antonio in '89-90 and averaged a measely 2.6 ppg. That's far from NBA All-Star quality. I guess those scrubs would have given the Dream Team fits, eh? :lol:
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Post#45 » by KWSN-Men » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:57 am

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Post#46 » by ilikecb4 » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:51 am

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Apollo64 wrote:Not saying that Yugoslavia could have beaten the Dream Team in '92, but it would have been a game for the ages and nowhere near a wipeout. And jt, ffs, you are showing your cluelessness by comparing the '92 Croatia with a monster like the '90 Yugoslavia, which was the best international team ever.


Game for the ages! :lol:

The '08 USA team against the '92 Dream Team would be one for the ages. They're the only team with the athleticism to keep up with them.

The 1990 WC, the Yugoslavian NT only beat Venezuela (a team the Dream Team blew out by 50 pts in qualifying) by just 8 points, lost to Puerto Rico (another team the Dream Team blew out by 40 pts) by 7 points :lol: , beat Angola (a team the Dream team defeated by over 60 pts in the Olympics) by 13 points, and only beat a team of American NCAA team by 9 pts. Yeah, I can see why you think they'd beat the Dream Team. :roll: You're either overrating the Yugoslavian NT, not looking at the stats, or know nothing about basketball. The fact that Yugoslavia could only beat Venezuela by 8 pts, lost to Puerto Rico, and barely beat a bunch of American college kids in the WC semis should be enough evidence that they're not close to the Dream Team's level. In addition, the only NBA All-Star on that team was Petrovic. That's not going to cut it against the best players in the world.

Anyone with any basketball knowledge would know that the Dream team was the best team (international, domestic, or whatever) ever created, period. No other team comes close. As I said before, the best Yugoslavian players of that time (Kukoc - the '90 WC MVP, Petrovic, and Radja) played on the Croatian team that the Dream Team destroyed by 32 and 33 points. There's a 30 point deficit that Yugoslavia would have to make up for, some how some way, and that's just not going to happen. You can throw Michael Jordan on the 1990 Yugoslavian team and they'd still lose. The only All-Star on that Yugoslavian team was Petrovic. The rest of the players on that team were just average NBA players (Kukoc, Divac, and Radja) or scrubs who's have trouble making it onto an NBA team. Paspalj played 28 games for San Antonio in '89-90 and averaged a measely 2.6 ppg. That's far from NBA All-Star quality. I guess those scrubs would have given the Dream Team fits, eh? :lol:



i'm sorry but you r either 17 or you just dont know sh$t about the international game

now excuse me from your ignorance. how many internation games have you seen in your life?

i've seen about 300.

anyways

in 1990 Divac and Kukoc were the all-tournament first team


its a way different game

the lanes are smaller, more emphasis is placed on shooting and passing

divac was 11 and 8 starting center for the los angeles lakers and was considered a promising young player

peterovic has been an international superstar for quite some time

kukoc was a lamar odom type player he could do anything on the court

and i'd also like to educate you on a few things

http://www.nbauniverse.com/usabasketbal ... ummary.htm

and just because your a good nba player doesn't make u a good fiba player

ask lebron and carmelo 2004

paspa;j was a double double machine in late 80s in europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDarko_Paspalj

lets not forget predrag danilovic who played for the heat

had an incredible careeer in europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predrag_Danilovi%C4%87

how about one of the best european point guards of all time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandar ... 1evi%C4%87




i can go on for days...


the game would have been a 5 point win for the dream team max....


the abudance of talent former yugoslavia had in late 80s and early 90s is scary
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Post#47 » by ilikecb4 » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:54 am

[quote="NY Kicks"][quote="ilikecb4"][quote="NY Kicks"][quote="Mastergvg"]Tony Parker / Jose Calderon / JR Holden
Rudy Fernandez / Marco Belinelli / JC Navarro
Andrey Kirilenko / Hedo Turkoglu / Siskauskas
Pau Gasol / Dirk Nowitzki / Felipe Reyes?
Marc Gasol / Pekovic / Okur?, Vujcic?

The starting lineup should be: Parker / Fernandez / Kirilenko / Dirk / Pau

They could work as a TEAM, and they would be very dificult to beat. If the travelling rule is the same for both teams, I think that the EURO team will win. FIBA rules or NBA rules?[/quote]


You've gotta be kidding me :), Marc Gasol and Pekovic over Okur? Okur is double player what those guys make, and Kiri over Hedo...Instead, play Pau at center, Dirk is clear starting PF, Okur off the bench with Kiri and Hedo is a clear starter...Best euro team is that...SG part is too weak compared to Americans...Kobe would smash everyone easily...[/quote]

to be fair why do you need Okur when you have Nowitski? Nowitski is way better than Okur. And you need someone in the paint too.

Pekovic has a better inside game than Okur.[/quote]

Nope, Okur has [b]inside games [/b]as well and clearly better than Pekovic as a player and center, but Dirk is of course better player overall who cant play center effectively. And, Hedo is also a true winner who should start over Kiri any day of the week with his lots of skills. I also forgot about Barg, he can have a spot in Euro team instead of Marc/Reyes.

Just my 2 cents...[/quote]

i'dont know what inside game your talking about

pekovic is the best inside player in europe by a mile

okur is more of a jump shooter
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Post#48 » by jt142 » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:50 pm

ilikecb4 wrote:
i'm sorry but you r either 17 or you just dont know sh$t about the international game

now excuse me from your ignorance. how many internation games have you seen in your life?

i've seen about 300.


Actually, it sounds to me like you've never even seen the Dream Team play. What a pity! In addition, you misinterpreted my last post. It's kind of hard to discuss or debate anything in this forum with someone who can't read English.

in 1990 Divac and Kukoc were the all-tournament first team


What does this have to do with anything? As I said before in my last post, which you obviously misunderstood, Kukoc was on the '92 Croatian team that was destroyed by the Dream Team twice.

its a way different game

the lanes are smaller, more emphasis is placed on shooting and passing


Yes, FIBA rules level the playing field for slow, unathletic players, no doubt about it. However, the Dream Team had no problem destroying Croatia by 30 points twice using the same rules. The '96, '00, and '08 USA teams also had no problems destroying their opponents in FIBA.

divac was 11 and 8 starting center for the los angeles lakers and was considered a promising young player


Unless he can make up the 30 + pt deficit Yugoslavia would be facing, then it doesn't matter. Divac didn't become a good NBA player until the late '90s, so his impact is overstated.

peterovic has been an international superstar for quite some time


Duh! Everyone knows Peterovic was a great player. When did I say he wasn't? He was Yugoslavia's best player and he played on the '92 Croatian team that was destroyed by the Dream Team twice.

kukoc was a lamar odom type player he could do anything on the court


Once again, you either misinterpreted my previous post. I never said Kukoc was a bad player. He was a decent NBA player, but never lived up to the hype of being the "European MJ." Lamar Odom is a good comparison.

and i'd also like to educate you on a few things


You can't educate me on anything.

http://www.nbauniverse.com/usabasketball/world_championships_summary.htm

and just because your a good nba player doesn't make u a good fiba player

ask lebron and carmelo 2004


There's a flip side to that coin: Euroleague players have had a much more difficult time adjusting to the NBA game than NBA players have had adjusting to FIBA.

Lebron and Melo sat the bench during the '04 Olympics and barely played. They were only 19 at the time and were playing behind NBA veterans. That team was thrown together a month before the competition and never developed team chemistry. However, Lebron and Melo certainly rose to the occasion in '08. They were two of the best players on the '08 USA team that dominated the competition in Beijing. You'll also have the opportunity to watch them play in Turkey in the '10 WC and the '12 Olympics, along with Howard, Kobe, Williams, Paul, Bosh, and Wade. Good luck.

paspa;j was a double double machine in late 80s in europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDarko_Paspalj


So what? He was also a terrible NBA player. The Euroleague is the 2nd best league in the world, after the NBA, so his stats don't mean anything to me.

lets not forget predrag danilovic who played for the heat

had an incredible careeer in europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predrag_Danilovi%C4%87


Danilovic played alright during his stint in the NBA. He was a great shooter. However, I still don't think he'd make up for the 30 point deficit Yugoslavia would be facing. You need to keep in mind that the Croatian team, which included Petrovic, Kukoc, and Radja lost to the Dream Team by 30 points twice!

how about one of the best european point guards of all time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandar ... 1evi%C4%87


Like many Euroleague point guards of that era, he had a lot of trouble adjusting to the faster-paced NBA game. He was released by Portland after only nine games. Once again, being a great player in the 2nd best league in the world doesn't prove much because you're playing against inferior players. Jasikevicius, Spanoulis, and Navarro are great Euroleague players, but were sub-par NBA players.

the game would have been a 5 point win for the dream team max....


:lol:

Since the 1990 Yugoslavia NT lost to Puerto Rico, barely beat Venezuela and a bunch of American college kids in the '90 WC, I doubt they would come within 30 points of the Dream Team. Not to mention, the two best Yugoslavian players (Petrovic and Kukoc) played on a '92 Croatian NT that was destroyed by over 30 points twice. In addition, the 1996 USA team defeated Yugoslavia by 36 points! That Yugoslavian team included Divac, Paspalj, Danilovic, Dordevic, Rebreca, and Bodiroga. The '96 USA team doesn't even compare to the '92 Dream Team. Would Kukoc, Petrovic, and Radja have closed that 36 point gap? I don't think so.

the abudance of talent former yugoslavia had in late 80s and early 90s is scary
[/quote]

Not as abundant as the talent in America.

My main point is that three of Yugoslavia's best players (Kukoc, Petrovic, and Radja) played on the '92 Croatian team that was destroyed by the Dream Team twice. In addition, the '96 USA team destroyed Yugoslavia in Atlanta. It's going to be hard convincing anyone - other than homers - that the addition of Divac, Paspalj, and Danilovic would have made up for the 33 point deficit in '92.
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Post#49 » by KWSN-Men » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:12 pm

Just ignore jt142. He is just trolling the international forum.
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Post#50 » by Apollo64 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:56 am

You really haven't watched that team play and all you are doing is throw a bunch of numbers that give an erroneous and simplistic picture.

That team, at that time, was the first and *only* team to play a good organised style that set a paradigm for international basketball and had a tremendous influence for the coming years. It wasn't just a sum of numbers, everyone would agree they were the best international team ever, both for the quality of their play and their depth of the roster, a far better team than today's Spain for example.

I don't believe they would have had a high chance to beat the Dream Team in '92, but i know they would have played to win and they would have been able to hang on for 40 minutes in the game. Everyone would have loved to see such a game.

Comparing Croatia to that team is so silly... let's take all the players from the East Conference (Wade, LeBron, Howard, Bosh etc.) from the '08 US team and replace them with scrubs, also put a clueless coach too. Suddenly that team doesn't look so deep and formidable.
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Post#51 » by KWSN-Men » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:02 am

Apollo64 wrote:You really haven't watched that team play and all you are doing is throw a bunch of numbers that give an erroneous and simplistic picture.

That team, at that time, was the first and *only* team to play a good organised style that set a paradigm for international basketball and had a tremendous influence for the coming years. It wasn't just a sum of numbers, everyone would agree they were the best international team ever, both for the quality of their play and their depth of the roster, a far better team than today's Spain for example.

I don't believe they would have had a high chance to beat the Dream Team in '92, but i know they would have played to win and they would have been able to hang on for 40 minutes in the game. Everyone would have loved to see such a game.

Comparing Croatia to that team is so silly... let's take all the players from the East Conference (Wade, LeBron, Howard, Bosh etc.) from the '08 US team and replace them with scrubs, also put a clueless coach too. Suddenly that team doesn't look so deep and formidable.


I don't think they would have beaten the Dream Team. Not at all. But I do think they would have beaten the Redeem Team.
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Post#52 » by ilikecb4 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:59 am

Apollo64 wrote:You really haven't watched that team play and all you are doing is throw a bunch of numbers that give an erroneous and simplistic picture.

That team, at that time, was the first and *only* team to play a good organised style that set a paradigm for international basketball and had a tremendous influence for the coming years. It wasn't just a sum of numbers, everyone would agree they were the best international team ever, both for the quality of their play and their depth of the roster, a far better team than today's Spain for example.

I don't believe they would have had a high chance to beat the Dream Team in '92, but i know they would have played to win and they would have been able to hang on for 40 minutes in the game. Everyone would have loved to see such a game.

Comparing Croatia to that team is so silly... let's take all the players from the East Conference (Wade, LeBron, Howard, Bosh etc.) from the '08 US team and replace them with scrubs, also put a clueless coach too. Suddenly that team doesn't look so deep and formidable.


i'm sorry you're a like ignorant phuck like the other guy

have you ever seen yugoslavia play basketball in your life?

the amount of talent that came out of that country is crazy...

plus the dream team no matter how talented never played the international game before

if you got a bunch of talented, all-star level players who know the system well to buy in things would be much different

1992 yugoslavia team would beat the redeeem team

they woul have come close to beating the dream team
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Post#53 » by ilikecb4 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:01 am

jt142 wrote:
ilikecb4 wrote:
i'm sorry but you r either 17 or you just dont know sh$t about the international game

now excuse me from your ignorance. how many internation games have you seen in your life?

i've seen about 300.


Actually, it sounds to me like you've never even seen the Dream Team play. What a pity! In addition, you misinterpreted my last post. It's kind of hard to discuss or debate anything in this forum with someone who can't read English.

in 1990 Divac and Kukoc were the all-tournament first team


What does this have to do with anything? As I said before in my last post, which you obviously misunderstood, Kukoc was on the '92 Croatian team that was destroyed by the Dream Team twice.

its a way different game

the lanes are smaller, more emphasis is placed on shooting and passing


Yes, FIBA rules level the playing field for slow, unathletic players, no doubt about it. However, the Dream Team had no problem destroying Croatia by 30 points twice using the same rules. The '96, '00, and '08 USA teams also had no problems destroying their opponents in FIBA.

divac was 11 and 8 starting center for the los angeles lakers and was considered a promising young player


Unless he can make up the 30 + pt deficit Yugoslavia would be facing, then it doesn't matter. Divac didn't become a good NBA player until the late '90s, so his impact is overstated.

peterovic has been an international superstar for quite some time


Duh! Everyone knows Peterovic was a great player. When did I say he wasn't? He was Yugoslavia's best player and he played on the '92 Croatian team that was destroyed by the Dream Team twice.

kukoc was a lamar odom type player he could do anything on the court


Once again, you either misinterpreted my previous post. I never said Kukoc was a bad player. He was a decent NBA player, but never lived up to the hype of being the "European MJ." Lamar Odom is a good comparison.

and i'd also like to educate you on a few things


You can't educate me on anything.

http://www.nbauniverse.com/usabasketball/world_championships_summary.htm

and just because your a good nba player doesn't make u a good fiba player

ask lebron and carmelo 2004


There's a flip side to that coin: Euroleague players have had a much more difficult time adjusting to the NBA game than NBA players have had adjusting to FIBA.

Lebron and Melo sat the bench during the '04 Olympics and barely played. They were only 19 at the time and were playing behind NBA veterans. That team was thrown together a month before the competition and never developed team chemistry. However, Lebron and Melo certainly rose to the occasion in '08. They were two of the best players on the '08 USA team that dominated the competition in Beijing. You'll also have the opportunity to watch them play in Turkey in the '10 WC and the '12 Olympics, along with Howard, Kobe, Williams, Paul, Bosh, and Wade. Good luck.

paspa;j was a double double machine in late 80s in europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDarko_Paspalj


So what? He was also a terrible NBA player. The Euroleague is the 2nd best league in the world, after the NBA, so his stats don't mean anything to me.

lets not forget predrag danilovic who played for the heat

had an incredible careeer in europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predrag_Danilovi%C4%87


Danilovic played alright during his stint in the NBA. He was a great shooter. However, I still don't think he'd make up for the 30 point deficit Yugoslavia would be facing. You need to keep in mind that the Croatian team, which included Petrovic, Kukoc, and Radja lost to the Dream Team by 30 points twice!

how about one of the best european point guards of all time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandar ... 1evi%C4%87


Like many Euroleague point guards of that era, he had a lot of trouble adjusting to the faster-paced NBA game. He was released by Portland after only nine games. Once again, being a great player in the 2nd best league in the world doesn't prove much because you're playing against inferior players. Jasikevicius, Spanoulis, and Navarro are great Euroleague players, but were sub-par NBA players.

the game would have been a 5 point win for the dream team max....


:lol:

Since the 1990 Yugoslavia NT lost to Puerto Rico, barely beat Venezuela and a bunch of American college kids in the '90 WC, I doubt they would come within 30 points of the Dream Team. Not to mention, the two best Yugoslavian players (Petrovic and Kukoc) played on a '92 Croatian NT that was destroyed by over 30 points twice. In addition, the 1996 USA team defeated Yugoslavia by 36 points! That Yugoslavian team included Divac, Paspalj, Danilovic, Dordevic, Rebreca, and Bodiroga. The '96 USA team doesn't even compare to the '92 Dream Team. Would Kukoc, Petrovic, and Radja have closed that 36 point gap? I don't think so.

the abudance of talent former yugoslavia had in late 80s and early 90s is scary


Not as abundant as the talent in America.

My main point is that three of Yugoslavia's best players (Kukoc, Petrovic, and Radja) played on the '92 Croatian team that was destroyed by the Dream Team twice. In addition, the '96 USA team destroyed Yugoslavia in Atlanta. It's going to be hard convincing anyone - other than homers - that the addition of Divac, Paspalj, and Danilovic would have made up for the 33 point deficit in '92.[/quote]


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Post#54 » by jt142 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:38 am

I'm not trying to bash the '90 Yugoslavian NT. Petrovic, Kukoc, and Divac were good NBA players. However, when a national team, Croatia, comprised of 3 of the former Yugoslavia's best players (Petrovic, Kukoc, and Radja) loses to the Dream Team by over 30 points twice, it's kind of hard to make a case that a few additional players would have made up for that huge deficit. In addition, Yugoslavia lost to the USA (an inferior team to the Dream Team) by 36 points at the '96 Olympics. The stats don't lie. Unless you use stats and numbers to back up your statement in some way, it's just an opinion, nothing more or less. The stats prove that the Dream Team was the most dominant international team to ever play in a FIBA tourney, Olympics or World Championships.
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Post#55 » by jt142 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:37 am

ilikecb4 wrote:
i'm sorry you're a like ignorant phuck like the other guy


Unlike you, I don't call people names. I hold myself to a higher standard.

have you ever seen yugoslavia play basketball in your life?


Yes, I've seen them play many of times in the 80s and 90s.

plus the dream team no matter how talented never played the international game before


:lol:

It doesn't matter. They still put on the most dominant performance FIBA has ever seen in '92. The stats prove this.

if you got a bunch of talented, all-star level players who know the system well to buy in things would be much different


Eh? What are you talking about? We're talking about the Dream Team, right, or are you trying to change the topic?

1992 yugoslavia team would beat the redeeem team


I disagree. The '90 Yugoslavian team had trouble against Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Angola, and an NCAA team at the WCs. The Dream Team destroyed those same teams by 40 + pts. In addition, the Yugoslavian NT was blown out by the USA by 36 pts at the '96 Olympics! What else do you want me to say?

Only one team, Spain, came within 20 points of the USA team at the '08 Olympics. The USA team defeated them by 30 pts earlier in the tourney. I can't wait to beat them for a third straight time in '10.

If the USA puts on a similar performance at the '10 WCs, they will solidify their place, alongside the '92 Dream Team, as one of the greatest teams ever created. As long as the main 8 remain intact, there's a great chance this will happen.
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Re: CAN A "TEAM EUROPE" BEAT the best "TEAM USA"??? 

Post#56 » by Alyosha12 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:36 am

jt142 wrote:
ilikecb4 wrote:
i'm sorry you're a like ignorant phuck like the other guy


Unlike you, I don't call people names. I hold myself to a higher standard.

have you ever seen yugoslavia play basketball in your life?


Yes, I've seen them play many of times in the 80s and 90s.

plus the dream team no matter how talented never played the international game before


:lol:

It doesn't matter. They still put on the most dominant performance FIBA has ever seen in '92. The stats prove this.

if you got a bunch of talented, all-star level players who know the system well to buy in things would be much different


Eh? What are you talking about? We're talking about the Dream Team, right, or are you trying to change the topic?

1992 yugoslavia team would beat the redeeem team


I disagree. The '90 Yugoslavian team had trouble against Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Angola, and an NCAA team at the WCs. The Dream Team destroyed those same teams by 40 + pts. In addition, the Yugoslavian NT was blown out by the USA by 36 pts at the '96 Olympics! What else do you want me to say?

Only one team, Spain, came within 20 points of the USA team at the '08 Olympics. The USA team defeated them by 30 pts earlier in the tourney. I can't wait to beat them for a third straight time in '10.

If the USA puts on a similar performance at the '10 WCs, they will solidify their place, alongside the '92 Dream Team, as one of the greatest teams ever created. As long as the main 8 remain intact, there's a great chance this will happen.


Did you even watch the final game of the Barcelona Olympics? It seems to me you didn't. You should download a torrent of the game ASAP.
15 minutes into the game was even with the US up 2 or 4 points i can't remember, but then Croatias short bench really showed because Petrovic Radja and Kukoc couldn't play the whole game, and the same second as Radja and the other two went to the bench the dream team pulled away and had a 12 point run.
If all the players from all of former Yugoslavia played there would be no short bench problem and the game would be close till the end with a Spain-USA 2008 type of final where Spain could have won it with a bit of luck. The croats had no real PG, their starting PG was crap Djordejvic could have helped loads out there, Divac would have been the starting C etc so really Croatia stayed slove for about 15-18 minutes of the game with half a team, imagine what could have been with a full team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKCSPuhX8CU
see the Dream team were human a player could do damage against them but 3 players like that is not enough the whole Yugoslavia team had about 7 players like that.

Also about the results of the 1990 games think about it a war was brewing back home when the players played, i wounder how the dream team would play if 9.11. happened 1 week before the 1992 Olympics or even a bigger attack as 9.11. like 9.11.x10 because thats what a war is you know.
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Post#57 » by Apollo64 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:51 am

ilikecb4 wrote:
Apollo64 wrote:You really haven't watched that team play and all you are doing is throw a bunch of numbers that give an erroneous and simplistic picture.

That team, at that time, was the first and *only* team to play a good organised style that set a paradigm for international basketball and had a tremendous influence for the coming years. It wasn't just a sum of numbers, everyone would agree they were the best international team ever, both for the quality of their play and their depth of the roster, a far better team than today's Spain for example.

I don't believe they would have had a high chance to beat the Dream Team in '92, but i know they would have played to win and they would have been able to hang on for 40 minutes in the game. Everyone would have loved to see such a game.

Comparing Croatia to that team is so silly... let's take all the players from the East Conference (Wade, LeBron, Howard, Bosh etc.) from the '08 US team and replace them with scrubs, also put a clueless coach too. Suddenly that team doesn't look so deep and formidable.


i'm sorry you're a like ignorant phuck like the other guy

have you ever seen yugoslavia play basketball in your life?

the amount of talent that came out of that country is crazy...

plus the dream team no matter how talented never played the international game before

if you got a bunch of talented, all-star level players who know the system well to buy in things would be much different

1992 yugoslavia team would beat the redeeem team

they woul have come close to beating the dream team


I assume you are a very, very weird person and not go on responding to this.
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Re: CAN A "TEAM EUROPE" BEAT the best "TEAM USA"??? 

Post#58 » by Apollo64 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:51 am

jt142 wrote:I'm not trying to bash the '90 Yugoslavian NT. Petrovic, Kukoc, and Divac were good NBA players. However, when a national team, Croatia, comprised of 3 of the former Yugoslavia's best players (Petrovic, Kukoc, and Radja) loses to the Dream Team by over 30 points twice, it's kind of hard to make a case that a few additional players would have made up for that huge deficit. In addition, Yugoslavia lost to the USA (an inferior team to the Dream Team) by 36 points at the '96 Olympics. The stats don't lie. Unless you use stats and numbers to back up your statement in some way, it's just an opinion, nothing more or less. The stats prove that the Dream Team was the most dominant international team to ever play in a FIBA tourney, Olympics or World Championships.


Oh, but it's quite the opposite and makes all the difference in the world: you needed to have a deep roster in order to challenge the stacked '92 and '96 US teams, three or four good players total don't cut it if you don't have a good bench. If you remember the '96 Atlanta game, Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro really) was able to stay close, within 10 points, early at the second half, till Divac got in foul trouble and their defense collapsed, because they didn't have the luxury of a proper bench solution. Greece hadn't any superstars, but they had a solid 10-man rotation that worked when they beat the US in Japan.

Roster depth and the synergy it creates is huge in international basketball, something you probably don't realise from your point of view, since it was a given for most US teams.
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Re: CAN A "TEAM EUROPE" BEAT the best "TEAM USA"??? 

Post#59 » by dan520 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:02 pm

no in all european languages
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Re: CAN A "TEAM EUROPE" BEAT the best "TEAM USA"??? 

Post#60 » by Pasta Kid » Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:16 pm

Joana wrote:
wushui wrote:Anyway, I think an all-team Europe or world would give an all-team USA fits if they were playing under FIBA rules. With NBA regulations however, USA would flat out dominate.


I agree. I think an all-team Rest of the World would beat an all-team USA under FIBA rules. Even the top american players aren't really good playing and attacking zones or dealing with hand-checking and moving screens. I don't think an European team would be enough, you'd need the Argentinians and Yao.

Parker/Nash/Diamantidis
Ginobili/Navarro/Rakocevic
Siskauskas/Hedo/Papaloukas
Dirk/Gasol/Scola
Yao/Bogut/Splitter


Scola, Bogut and Splitter are better than Bargnani? :(
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