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Post#1 » by SApuro_ » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:20 pm

If we trade Bonner, Finley or Mason who do we get in return? All three are expiring contracts and Mason proved he can shoot the lights out so they are somewhat attractive pieces.

My first choice was picking up a true center like Camby but with Mcdyess, Blair, and Ratliff don't think there is a need there anymore.

My second choice was a back up point guard but having seen Hill play solid in the summer league believe he deserves a shot to hold that spot.

My third choice is trading some of these pieces for future draft picks. But that idea kind of goes opposite of the whole spending spree going all out trying to win one or two more championships.

We are so stacked at just about every position almost have to trade a body or two just so everyone gets playing time. In the playoffs at best we are going to have a 9 man rotation.
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Post#2 » by SApuro_ » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:48 pm

One thing we have to be careful of is turning over the entire team in one year. He is a list of players from last year.
Duncan
Parker
Ginobili
Bonner
Hill
Mason
Finley
Mahimni
Hairston
Williams

New Additions
Blair
Haislip
Mcdyess
Ratliff
Jefferson

Like I said in an earlier post Spurs FA's tend to do better in their 2nd year in our system.
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Post#3 » by DEEP3CL » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:03 pm

Some of these guys the team is counting on to make an impact, you have to know it's going to be some rough patches along the way. My theory is that you'll win games despite the fact of new personal, you'll win because of "veteran know how". But as far as everything being in sync from the start odds say it won't be smooth. Guys will have to adjust to the style the Spurs play at.

Jefferson for example ran in a more uptempo offense ( except Milwaukee) in Jersey, never played with a true post guy like Duncan. Not saying he won't or can't adjust it's just that the offense is different from what he's played in before. McDyess will probably look better before RJ, he's been in a motion offense before.
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Post#4 » by Alymero » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:17 am

I've heard crazy off-the-wall rumors that clearly can't be true that the Jazz and Spurs discussed a deal that would send Duncan to SLC in exchange for Boozer and Okur. If true(which it isn't),Spurs should jump at the chance to get young and have some instant rebuilding pieces to put around T-Park.
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Post#5 » by TAI8 » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:55 am

If there is anybody that can get someone like Jefferson to play Spurs ball, it's Pop and Duncan. Jefferson AND the Spurs themselves will be just fine.
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Post#6 » by SApuro_ » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:43 am

DEEP3CL wrote:Some of these guys the team is counting on to make an impact, you have to know it's going to be some rough patches along the way. My theory is that you'll win games despite the fact of new personal, you'll win because of "veteran know how". But as far as everything being in sync from the start odds say it won't be smooth. Guys will have to adjust to the style the Spurs play at.

Jefferson for example ran in a more uptempo offense ( except Milwaukee) in Jersey, never played with a true post guy like Duncan. Not saying he won't or can't adjust it's just that the offense is different from what he's played in before. McDyess will probably look better before RJ, he's been in a motion offense before.


True the Spurs do traditionally start of slow and add a couple of new starters so there will probably be a transition period early. We also have a rookie that I expect to see big minutes. But when you look at all the talent, you have to figure this year might be something different. I have high expectations for this years team and expect them to get over 63 wins.

RJ is going from being the man to the 3rd or 4th option but he's a team player I think he'll fall right into our sysytem with little issues. Dice is almost perfect for our system. He's a great pro and won't do too much. He's there for rebounding and defense with the occasional basket and he knows that.
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Post#7 » by TAI8 » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:56 am

^Over 63 wins? Really? The last time the Spurs won that many games was in '06 but that was when Duncan and Ginobili were in their prime. I think the Spurs will win more games than they did the last two years but 63+ seems like a reach especially considering that they tend to coast during the regular season anyways and prime for the title runs after the all-star break. Around 58 wins seems more likely IMO.
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Post#8 » by SApuro_ » Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:08 am

I figured 63+ for the following reasons:
First parker is really coming into his own. He basically carried the team on his back last year. His distribution has improved greatly and will only get better this year.

Second we have a 4th option in Jefferson who is young and will get plenty of minutes to learn the system. Spurs could have easily won 5-6 games last year by just keeping large leads. They let teams come back from blow out situations because they had no depth. This year they always will have a scorer in there to erase those droughts.

Third, spurs have so many bodies to throw into the meat grinder. They no longer need to have TD and Manu playing big minutes to be effective. Can't recall a year when we had this much depth overall. Heck the only position that has any questions is PG where you have two young bucks in TP and Hill...of course you have Manu that can run the show too in a pinch.
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Post#9 » by Marc » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:22 am

SApuro_ wrote:If we trade Bonner, Finley or Mason who do we get in return? All three are expiring contracts and Mason proved he can shoot the lights out so they are somewhat attractive pieces.

My first choice was picking up a true center like Camby but with Mcdyess, Blair, and Ratliff don't think there is a need there anymore.

My second choice was a back up point guard but having seen Hill play solid in the summer league believe he deserves a shot to hold that spot.

My third choice is trading some of these pieces for future draft picks. But that idea kind of goes opposite of the whole spending spree going all out trying to win one or two more championships.

We are so stacked at just about every position almost have to trade a body or two just so everyone gets playing time. In the playoffs at best we are going to have a 9 man rotation.


A) Camby: Thought about it but i came up to the conclusion that the Spurs wont add more salaries to their payroll and they would have to send Finley, Booner and Mason to make salaries work making Spurs a worse team.

B) George Hill was good enough last season to be a backup pg. Spurs brought back Vaughn to see some minutes in the last seasons but i think they will go with someone younger now that would earn less money than the vet. minimum.

C) Teams would need a TE or cap space to absorb Finley, Booner or Mason. Teams might be interested in Mason but he is a keeper. If Spurs want to trade Finley or Bonner they will have to add future draft pick considerations or Splitter's rights instead of getting picks, LOL.

D) The Spurs have an old roster and injuries happen a lot when you have an old roster. Having too many capable players is not a concern.

Talking about trades without salaries in consideration make no sense in a league like the NBA that it all about money. (especially now)
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Post#10 » by kane2021 » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:29 am

You want Eddy Curry? He's a true center :lol:
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Post#11 » by co_laper » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:04 am

Personally, I think the Spurs should stick with the team we have now until January. Then we'll see what is our biggest weakness and try to address it via trade before the February deadline.

We don't really know what to trade for right now until we know what we have.
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Post#12 » by johnnyjohnnyjohnny » Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:54 pm

kane2021 wrote:You want Eddy Curry? He's a true center :lol:


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Post#13 » by Blame Rasho » Tue Aug 4, 2009 6:09 am

co_laper wrote:Personally, I think the Spurs should stick with the team we have now until January. Then we'll see what is our biggest weakness and try to address it via trade before the February deadline.

We don't really know what to trade for right now until we know what we have.



Right now we don't know what we have.... It is hard to stand pat... but what is more important is building a chemistry with the new guys that can really gel together come May and June.
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Post#14 » by halfHAVOC » Tue Aug 4, 2009 6:46 am

SApuro_ wrote:
DEEP3CL wrote:Some of these guys the team is counting on to make an impact, you have to know it's going to be some rough patches along the way. My theory is that you'll win games despite the fact of new personal, you'll win because of "veteran know how". But as far as everything being in sync from the start odds say it won't be smooth. Guys will have to adjust to the style the Spurs play at.

Jefferson for example ran in a more uptempo offense ( except Milwaukee) in Jersey, never played with a true post guy like Duncan. Not saying he won't or can't adjust it's just that the offense is different from what he's played in before. McDyess will probably look better before RJ, he's been in a motion offense before.



RJ is going from being the man to the 3rd or 4th option but he's a team player I think he'll fall right into our sysytem with little issues. Dice is almost perfect for our system. He's a great pro and won't do too much. He's there for rebounding and defense with the occasional basket and he knows that.


well RJ was fine being a 3rd option in the past, but the spurs might need to feed him the ball more or let him play with the bench a little because from what i remember there were some problems when jason kidd left becuase RJ wasn't getting the ball enough and i think thats when his defense started to drop off.

but i think if tony can get RJ the ball on the break a few times during the game he wont complain.
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Post#15 » by SportsFan215 » Tue Aug 4, 2009 6:27 pm

At the trade deadline, would you guys do this deal:

Camby/Telfair for Bonner/Mason/Finley/Hill/Rights to Splitter

The Clippers would then waive Finley and Mason so they could return to the Spurs for a playoff run a la McDyess last year with the Pistons.
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Post#16 » by Blame Rasho » Wed Aug 5, 2009 6:08 am

SportsFan215 wrote:At the trade deadline, would you guys do this deal:

Camby/Telfair for Bonner/Mason/Finley/Hill/Rights to Splitter

The Clippers would then waive Finley and Mason so they could return to the Spurs for a playoff run a la McDyess last year with the Pistons.


It would be kinda foolish to say yes or no at this point... we have not seen how the team will play out but I am sure if they feel the need to get more rebounding... they will call up the Clippers to see about one of their bigs.
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Post#17 » by Marc » Wed Aug 5, 2009 2:53 pm

If Mason is released, he would rather go to a team with cap that could sign him for more than the minimum i think...
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Post#18 » by TiMVP » Thu Aug 6, 2009 5:32 pm

SportsFan215 wrote:At the trade deadline, would you guys do this deal:

Camby/Telfair for Bonner/Mason/Finley/Hill/Rights to Splitter

The Clippers would then waive Finley and Mason so they could return to the Spurs for a playoff run a la McDyess last year with the Pistons.


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Post#19 » by SportsFan215 » Fri Aug 7, 2009 12:42 am

How about this deal?

Thornton/Telfair for Hill/(Mason or Finley)
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Post#20 » by Blame Rasho » Fri Aug 7, 2009 12:44 am

SportsFan215 wrote:How about this deal?

Thornton/Telfair for Hill/(Mason or Finley)


NO

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