Nash knows Gasol trade was bogus

[celtxman]

This is seasons ago now, it's really time to let it go and move on.

We have moved on. The significance is the fact that these years later a normally low-key guy like Nash brings it up and that makes it newsworthy. When you have guys like Greg Popovich, Jeff Van Gundy and Nash amongst many others who are to this day this outspoken about such a trade, shows this goes way beyond Celtics Nation. I think the part that irks most Celtics fans is the constant talk about how getting Garnett was just a buddy/buddy deal and that you see this thing come down the pike with absolutely no loss to the Lakers.
Personally the part that is the worst is Chris Wallace, who did a terrible job in Boston, gives the Lakers a huge gift, and then recently turns down a trade with the Celtics. Wallace is the bad dream of the Pitino years that just doesn't go away.

[Vincent 666]

Why do some fans still insist on looking at the Gasol trade on a player for player talent basis and not on a salary cap level (which is why the Grizzlies made the trade)?

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[Vincent 666]

If Nash is upset about the deal he should take his frustrations out on his owner.


You think the Suns ownership would have okayed Gasol's contract given their cost cutting moves the last fews years? Seriously doubt it.

[chakdaddy]

Why do some fans still insist on looking at the Gasol trade on a player for player talent basis and not on a salary cap level (which is why the Grizzlies made the trade)?
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Because it's not a good trade if you do nothing but erase the contract of your best player?
BAD players get dumped for cap space. GOOD players get traded for prospects PLUS cap space.

If one team is getting a star for nothing, it's obvious you're getting a bad deal.

It's like the Grizzlies had a nice new car but no driver's license - so they sold the car for 20 dollars. People justifying the trade claim "they couldn't use the car, so 20 dollars is better for them." It's not better for them when they should have gotten 20,000 dollars for the car.

Now they're using that cap space they had for Zach Randolph. Nice. It was never about cap space. It was about saving money, and probably about doing a favor for the Lakers. With the cap space they gained, the best they could ever hope for is to sign a lesser player than Gasol.

[Vincent 666]

Because it's not a good trade if you do nothing but erase the contract of your best player?
BAD players get dumped for cap space. GOOD players get traded for prospects PLUS cap space.

If one team is getting a star for nothing, it's obvious you're getting a bad deal.

Is that written in the rule book some where?

Thats YOUR definition of what a good player is traded for.

The Grizzlies stated they were looking for the biggest ending contract for Gasol. The Lakers had it with Brown. Its that simple. Had another team offered a bigger ending contract than the Lakers did with Brown, Gasol wouldn't be a Laker.

All this is sour grapes because of the team Gasol was traded to.

[Killua]

You guy do know when the trade came down Marc Gasol was already the Euro MVP IE would of been a top 3 pick in the draft that year. He just joined the draft a year to early. Btw for those who say he wouldnt of been a top 3 who would of knocked him off he was a 7'1 back to the basket Center who showed his skill in the olympics. The Griz got exactly what they wanted Cap room 2 prospects critt one of them being a a prospect (gasol) one being a Mid level prospect( Critt) plus 2 draft picks who else had anything close to that offered?

[Banks2Pierce]

It was a horrible trade, but it made that thrashing in the Finals absolutely glorious. It just wouldn't have been the same if it was against the Spurs or Jazz.

[chakdaddy]

You guy do know when the trade came down Marc Gasol was already the Euro MVP IE would of been a top 3 pick in the draft that year. He just joined the draft a year to early. Btw for those who say he wouldnt of been a top 3 who would of knocked him off he was a 7'1 back to the basket Center who showed his skill in the olympics. The Griz got exactly what they wanted Cap room 2 prospects critt one of them being a a prospect (gasol) one being a Mid level prospect( Critt) plus 2 draft picks who else had anything close to that offered?

Spanish league MVP averaging a whopping 16/8. Just like Walter Herrmann and Juan Carlos Navarro before him. I'm not sure if the Spanish league season ended after the trade or not, but I am confident that Marc's showing in the 2008 Summer Olympics did not help him look like more than a late 2nd round throw-in when the trade was made in February 2008. The guy less than a year removed from being the 48th pick when he was thrown into the trade, had not played in the olympics, and presuably had only part of a good year in the Spanish league.

I'm sure there were plenty of expiring's the size of Kwame's around; Gasol's contract wasn't all that big. And basically anyone else in the league would *HAVE* thrown in better prospects and draft picks than the Lakers did.

[chakdaddy]

The Grizzlies stated they were looking for the biggest ending contract for Gasol. The Lakers had it with Brown. Its that simple. Had another team offered a bigger ending contract than the Lakers did with Brown, Gasol wouldn't be a Laker.

If another team offered a bigger ending contract, the salaries wouldn't have matched.

The Grizzlies decided to erase Gasol's contract, give him to the Lakers and get basically nothing in return, rather than shop around, erase Gasol's contract, and get something decent in return. It's completely inexplicable unless you think Jerry West is behind it.

[Don Ford]

stop being hypocrite.... Mchail bailed us out by giving KG.... he had better offers but instead tryed to help us out...... Jefferson was good but still it was a steal for us....... Lakers gave less than us but still they gave quality player in marc gasol who can turn into a solid player..... if u want to talk about lop side traded look at VC trade to nets.... that trade just set the raptors franchise back....

better than a young post scoring 20/10 machine in Al Jefferson?

oh... you mean Andrew Bynum?? LMAO.

What was reported was that the Lakers had two offers in for KG. One was Bynum, Odom, and the Lakers 1st round pick (19th overall) and the other was Bynum, Odom, Kwame Brown, and their 1st round pick for KG and either Jaric or Troy Hudson. Seems like a better deal to me but then I'm a Lakers fan. Also, in the Gasol trade, the Lakers offered to include Odom in the deal but Memphis didn't want to take on his contract.

[Slartibartfast]

It's the Grizzlies' current willingness to pay "Gasol" money to frickin' Zach Randolph (and willingness to trade Javaris Crittenton for scraps) that makes that Gasol trade so lop-sided even in hindsight.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

This would be the Celtic equivalent of what the Lakers gave up for Gasol.

Boston trades:
Theo Ratliff
2 1st round picks
Ryan Gomes
Gerald Green
Sebastian Telfair

Boston receives:
Kevin Garnett

[Andrew McCeltic]

The only truly respectable, smart moves the Lakers have made in the last 15 years were trading for Kobe and drafting Derek Fisher. Gasol was gift-wrapped and Shaq signed with Los Angeles as much as he signed with the Lakers. The Minneapolis Lakers don't get Shaq no matter how much cap room and how good an organization they have.

[celtxman]

stop being hypocrite.... Mchail bailed us out by giving KG.... he had better offers but instead tryed to help us out...... Jefferson was good but still it was a steal for us....... Lakers gave less than us but still they gave quality player in marc gasol who can turn into a solid player..... if u want to talk about lop side traded look at VC trade to nets.... that trade just set the raptors franchise back....

better than a young post scoring 20/10 machine in Al Jefferson?

oh... you mean Andrew Bynum?? LMAO.

What was reported was that the Lakers had two offers in for KG. One was Bynum, Odom, and the Lakers 1st round pick (19th overall) and the other was Bynum, Odom, Kwame Brown, and their 1st round pick for KG and either Jaric or Troy Hudson. Seems like a better deal to me but then I'm a Lakers fan. Also, in the Gasol trade, the Lakers offered to include Odom in the deal but Memphis didn't want to take on his contract.

Assuming your deal is correct (I never heard of the Lakers offering that much and it is speculation anyway) how is that deal better. The best young big player was Al Jefferson and they got him. Bynum is not better. Odom would be lost on that team and Brown is one of the biggest #1 busts of all-time. A team like Minnesota was looking for two things and got them both from the Celtics. They got the best young big man this side of Dwight Howard, 2 first round picks another good player like Odom in Ryan Gomes who is lost in Minnesota. This isn't sayingGomes is as good as Odom - but what it is saying is that both players excellent team skills have no value in the current Wolves system and therefore Gomes far lower salary more beneficial. I would also take Gomes back as Pierce's backup SF in a heartbeat. But what is totally missing from the alleged Lakers package was instant salary relief with the best expiring contract in the NBA at that point? Why? Because at almost $12 million it was one of the rare expiring contracts that was also insured. So Ratleff who played all of 2 games with the Celtics, was insured and there was certainly good reason for the Wolves to think they might totally cash in. What actually happened is they saved $3.7 million of that contract with a buyout.
I suppose if you buy into Bynum being great someday then it may be looked at differently. But so far that has only been hype. It is hard to say that the team offering the best expiring contract and the best young player somehow got preferential treatment or offered less of a deal.
The Lakers got a 26 year old big skilled big man who had already been the leader of an upstart Grizzlies team with him and very little else that won 50 + games. All of the elements of the resume were there If you are looking to dump the hardest to find asset in the NBA to save salary, what in heaven's name are you doing in the NBA? Did they have a conference call with the Pirates to negotiate this deal? That's why you get guys like Nash sounding off years later, NBA analysts from ESPN (who resoundingly love Kobe and the Lakers) constantly bashing the trade and why the issue still hits the papers. It was a terrible deal for the Grizzlies made by a terrible GM in Chris Wallace.

[LA Titletown]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

How pathetic.

[DaPimp32]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

How pathetic.

Please bring more than this crap! Come on aren't you better than this.

Nash said it and we're just agreeing with him based on facts.

[NewYiddy37]

I think you guys should be the most annoyed by it..

The Cs had to actually give up Al Jefferon to get KG..LA gave up nothing, and they gave Memphis cap room to acquire Zach "LOL" Randolph..

anybody that doesn't think there was something going on is naive IMO..coincidentally when Kobe is crying about leaving, and after Bynum goes down..hmmm...

[Bad-Thoma]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

How pathetic.

I love when you stop in with such insightful commentary. Moron.

[brassviews]

The only truly respectable, smart moves the Lakers have made in the last 15 years were trading for Kobe and drafting Derek Fisher. Gasol was gift-wrapped and Shaq signed with Los Angeles as much as he signed with the Lakers. The Minneapolis Lakers don't get Shaq no matter how much cap room and how good an organization they have.

So Shaq would have signed with the Clippers if the option was available?