Dodgers getting serious?

[LBJSeizedMyID]

Ok, then everyone in the major leagues can be coined as rental players.

[Avenger]

This is not a rental player, people! If his contract was expiring this year, fine. Doc is under contract for another season.

Last year's situation in which Milwaukee received Sabathia was a rental player.

He's stated that he will test free agency. That alone makes him a rental. A team will be trading top prospects that are under your control for the next half a decade in exchange for Halladay.

No different than everybody up in arms over Lebron in 2010 last year even though it was 2 years away.

rental isn't really the right word when you have him under control for a year and a half and given the fact you get two top 31 picks. The team trading him for will have a post season, regular season and another post season to win big and if he walks they'll get two high picks. That is a LOT of value in Baseball.

[Avenger]

Billingsley is not worth more than Doc. We've got Doc locked up for 1.5 years, Billingsley is eligible for Arbitration after this season, its not like we're getting a young stud you can control for 3-4 years or anything. I would rather not pay him the big money when we know we're not contending.

Uh...but Billingsley is a young stud starting pitcher. And they would have him under control far longer than the 1.5 years of Doc. I'm not convinced the Dodgers would give up somebody like this for a virtual rental player.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.ph ... alue-30-26

Bills goes ahead of Halladay on this list.

you really don't get it do you? Billinglesy is eligible for arbitration after this year, he's gonna ask for his money. I would rather pay Doc whatever he wants than give an inferior player(however minute the difference is) a long term contract. The blue jays are looking to trade Halladay because they feel they can get good young players that they can control for a few years at a cheap salary.

[Mustard_Tiger]

Of course he isn't as good as Doc. Nobody said he was. But yes, having the 25 year old Chad Billingsley for the foreseeable future is certainly worth more than having Roy Halladay right now. That's all I ever said, and it's the truth.

[J-Roc]

If your goal is to win a world series anytime soon, you want Roy Halladay winning games 1, 4 and 7 in the playoffs. I don't think some of you guys understand how important it is to go for it NOW. It's not always about fantasy baseball or preparing yourself for the next 10 years.

The more JP takes a hard line, the more I respect him. Roy Halladay is the best pitcher in the whole damn world. If you're team is good enough to make the playoffs, he's automatically your #1 starter. He's THAT GOOD.

As for him testing free agency...it's all about going to a winning situation. If you're a good team (which all these suitors are), that's not a concern.

In basketball and hockey you can have that "best player" in the league. Because players have to do it all. In baseball, you have hitters and pitchers, so it's easy to misjudge a guy like Halladay because he's not the best player in the game (let's say Pujols is). But actually, he's as important as Pujols is. Especially for a contender.

Would a team with an offense, like Boston or NY, ever lose with Halladay on the mound???

[LBJSeizedMyID]

I honestly think nothing will happen. If it's true that Beeston has found a new president taking over at the end of the year, he more than likely wants a general manager in place that can handle the Doc trade himself, and has probably told JP not to make any trade. On the flip side, JP is pressing hard to make a trade so he can offload Scutaro and Rolen as well, to help his legacy out for a potential future job.

I do agree with the Roc - if they can win now, then acquire a big bat this summer, and sandwich him in between Rios and Wells. Hopefully they can resign Scutaro (at a reasonable cost) as he's shown he is capable of being a leadoff hitter (although not your typical leadoff hitter).

[Attonitus]

I honestly think nothing will happen. If it's true that Beeston has found a new president taking over at the end of the year, he more than likely wants a general manager in place that can handle the Doc trade himself, and has probably told JP not to make any trade. On the flip side, JP is pressing hard to make a trade so he can offload Scutaro and Rolen as well, to help his legacy out for a potential future job.

Yeah it's true. It doesn't make much sense to let a lame duck GM trade your superstar player just before he gets canned.

I think we all got too caught up in this trade Halladay thing (thank you JP). I think it was our hot start that started all this. Previous to the season, if you will remember, to much of our dismay, JP said this was going to be on "off" year to prepare for 2010. The plan changed however when we were looking competitive and then fell off it was like well we better shake things up.

I am as tired of the "next year" BS as much as everyone but when you think about it, say we fire JP and bring in a competent GM, we get Marcum and Litch back next spring, and our rotation looks like Halladay, Marcum, Romero, Litch, and one of Richmond, Cecil, etc. We give up on the Overbay/Millar project and add a power hitting 1B (trade or more likely FA). We trade Rios for a SS or 3B depending on if we keep or lose Scutaro and Rolen and put Snider in the OF to replace him (which might be to soon I know).

Now this alot of what-ifs but what I am saying is I still think we can be a contending team next year as long as we can keep our pitchers relatively healthy and add that HR bat that we are sorely missing.

[Mustard_Tiger]

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7 ... gh-tuesday

The Jays are the 5th best team in baseball right now. They really aren't a bad team.

[Modern_epic]

I honestly think nothing will happen. If it's true that Beeston has found a new president taking over at the end of the year, he more than likely wants a general manager in place that can handle the Doc trade himself, and has probably told JP not to make any trade. On the flip side, JP is pressing hard to make a trade so he can offload Scutaro and Rolen as well, to help his legacy out for a potential future job.

Yeah it's true. It doesn't make much sense to let a lame duck GM trade your superstar player just before he gets canned.

I think we all got too caught up in this trade Halladay thing (thank you JP). I think it was our hot start that started all this. Previous to the season, if you will remember, to much of our dismay, JP said this was going to be on "off" year to prepare for 2010. The plan changed however when we were looking competitive and then fell off it was like well we better shake things up.

I am as tired of the "next year" BS as much as everyone but when you think about it, say we fire JP and bring in a competent GM, we get Marcum and Litch back next spring, and our rotation looks like Halladay, Marcum, Romero, Litch, and one of Richmond, Cecil, etc. We give up on the Overbay/Millar project and add a power hitting 1B (trade or more likely FA). We trade Rios for a SS or 3B depending on if we keep or lose Scutaro and Rolen and put Snider in the OF to replace him (which might be to soon I know).

Now this alot of what-ifs but what I am saying is I still think we can be a contending team next year as long as we can keep our pitchers relatively healthy and add that HR bat that we are sorely missing.

JP is a competent GM. If you happen to know of the next Theo Epstein, however, please feel free to let Paul Beeston know.