Salary structures for newly signed free agents...

[LarryCoon]

Josh McRoberts signs a 2yr $1,710,617 contract with the Pacers (Vet Min)
2009-2010 - $825,497
2010-2011 - $885,120

Dunk, can we get a confirmation for this? Any word on the exact salaries of Earl Watson and Solomon Jones as well? I assume Jones is the vet minimum.

If you can't tell, I'm pretty much looking for the Pacers info from this summer.

McRoberts is right. Watson is $2,800,000. I don't see anything on Jones.

[Three34]

Christ, man. Earl Watson was going to be my scoop. You were all going to respect me for it. But I lost by half an hour. Forcristsakes.

[Scoot McGroot]

Is Earl Watson just a 1 year deal, though? It's widely reported that way, but the Pacers press release said it was a "multi-year deal".


You can still come through strong for me Sham!!

[Scoot McGroot]

Josh McRoberts signs a 2yr $1,710,617 contract with the Pacers (Vet Min)
2009-2010 - $825,497
2010-2011 - $885,120

Dunk, can we get a confirmation for this? Any word on the exact salaries of Earl Watson and Solomon Jones as well? I assume Jones is the vet minimum.

If you can't tell, I'm pretty much looking for the Pacers info from this summer.

McRoberts is right. Watson is $2,800,000. I don't see anything on Jones.

Thanks Larry!

I assume Solomon Jones is just the 2 year vet minimum each year, but possibly with some sort of option or non-guarantee on the 2nd year.

[Three34]

As far as I can tell, Watson is a one year deal for some bizarre reason, regardless of what the press release says. Jones is getting more than the minimum.

[JES12]

Quinton Ross signed a 2yr 2,028,620 contract with the Mavericks (Vet Min)
2009-2010 - $959,111 (ESPN TM shows $1,033,342)
2010-2011 - $1,069,509

Q-Ross is a 5 year vet entering into his 6th year, which according to Larry Coon's FAQ on the CBA should be $959,111. I think the ESPN trade machine gets their numbers from sham and/or google docs who have Ross listed as $1,033,342 which is a mistake I believe.

It also has Tim Thomas as $825,497, but he is a 12 year vet and should be listed as $1,306,455.

[Dunkenstein]

Quinton Ross signed a 2yr 2,028,620 contract with the Mavericks (Vet Min)
2009-2010 - $959,111 (ESPN TM shows $1,033,342)
2010-2011 - $1,069,509

Q-Ross is a 5 year vet entering into his 6th year, which according to Larry Coon's FAQ on the CBA should be $959,111. I think the ESPN trade machine gets their numbers from sham and/or google docs who have Ross listed as $1,033,342 which is a mistake I believe.

It also has Tim Thomas as $825,497, but he is a 12 year vet and should be listed as $1,306,455.

The league credits Ross with 6 years of service, so the $1,033,342 is correct. Don't forget that in the last CBA, a player was credited with a year of service if he played in a pre-season game, even if he never played during the season. My guess is that he was on some team's training camp roster prior to 2004.

Thomas's number of $825,497 is based on the portion of his one-year minimum salary deal that the team pays, not on how much he receives.

[JES12]

Oh, thanks for that info on Ross being a credited as a 6 year player. That explains a lot.

And same with Thomas.

[FGump]

All the reports I've seen on Ross have him listed as a one-year vet min deal.

[lakerfan10770]

The league credits Ross with 6 years of service, so the $1,033,342 is correct. Don't forget that in the last CBA, a player was credited with a year of service if he played in a pre-season game, even if he never played during the season. My guess is that he was on some team's training camp roster prior to 2004.

Turns out Quinton Ross has a Wikipedia page, who'd have thought? Anyways it shows the following:

He was the final player waived by the Clippers prior to the start of the regular season. Following that 2003 preseason in which he averaged 5.4 points, 0.8 rebounds, and 0.8 assists in five games with the Clippers, Ross signed with Telindus Oostende of Belgium for one season (2003–04).[1] During his time overseas, he averaged 16.7 points and 4.8 rebounds. Ross signed a four-year free agent contract with the Clippers on August 16, 2004.

So that makes sense and I will make sure to update it next time I do one.

All the reports I've seen on Ross have him listed as a one-year vet min deal.

The ESPN TM is pretty good about only listing the unreimbursed portion of the salary and they have Q Ross listed at $1,033,342, which would seem to infer that he has some sort of 2nd year. The other thing that the TM does not do is include option years, and they do list him as having only 1 year. So my thinking is that there is a PO or TO on his contract for a 2nd year.

As far as I can tell, Watson is a one year deal for some bizarre reason, regardless of what the press release says. Jones is getting more than the minimum.

Do you know how much more than the minimum Solomon getting? By my calculations they only have about $554,000 of the MLE remaining, but they do have all of their BAE to offer.

[Dunkenstein]

All the reports I've seen on Ross have him listed as a one-year vet min deal.

Ross got a two-year minimum deal with the second year as a PO.

[-bob-]

Channing Frye is listed at $1,990,000, which is of course the exact amount of the BAE, not really sure what great benefit it would be to keep the BAE over the MLE. In fact, I would argue that the MLE is better because it could be extended for 5 years, but IDK.

Suns are a team deep into the LT. Its highly unlikely they were gonna use the rest of the Mid-level. It makes more sense to save the BAE for next year.

[lakerfan10770]

I did another update, if anyone can "fill-in" any of the missing info or correct the mistakes that would be appreciated. Thanks....

[raleigh]

I'm anxious to see how Marvin Williams' contract turns out. Looking at the Bibby/Zaza deals, GM Rick Sund is getting creative.

[Dunkenstein]

I'm anxious to see how Marvin Williams' contract turns out. Looking at the Bibby/Zaza deals, GM Rick Sund is getting creative.

From what I've heard, Williams's contract dips in 10-11 just like the Bibby and Zaza deals. Sund appears to be doing his best to keep his projected team salary in 10-11 as low as possible in anticipation of signing Joe Johnson to a contract that could start over $15M. With three contracts over $10M, Sund is going to have a tough time not going over the LT limit, depending on where it's set. $10M for Crawford as a back up could be the killer.

[raleigh]

I'm anxious to see how Marvin Williams' contract turns out. Looking at the Bibby/Zaza deals, GM Rick Sund is getting creative.

From what I've heard, Williams's contract dips in 10-11 just like the Bibby and Zaza deals. Sund appears to be doing his best to keep his projected team salary in 10-11 as low as possible in anticipation of signing Joe Johnson to a contract that could start over $15M. With three contracts over $10M, Sund is going to have a tough time not going over the LT limit, depending on where it's set. $10M for Crawford as a back up could be the killer.

Thanks, Dunk. That was what I was anticipating.

I absolutely agree about Crawford. Part of me thinks a Josh Smith trade isn't all that unbelievable...

[Three34]

If they sign Joe Johnson for that much, then no amount of cap management will save them.

[D21]

From what I've heard, Williams's contract dips in 10-11 just like the Bibby and Zaza deals.

Bibby, if set for exactly $18M/3yrs, seems to get a 3.5% descending contract.
But do you know if Zaza is supposed to get a flat contract at 4.75M, or if it really decreases in 10-11, then increases in the last two years, like:
4,750,000 - 4,251,250 - 4,750,000 - 5,248,750

With the same model, and if Marvin gets 7.5M for his first year like ESPN TM shows, it could be like that:
7,500,000 - 6,712,500,000 - 7,500,000 - 7,500,000 - 8,287,500 (or last two years reversed).

It would makes for Smith, Crawford, Bibby, Williams, Pachulia, Horford, Evans and Teague a total of only $48M, even if with Johnson added for $14M (almost the first year of a $64M/4yrs ascending extension), and 4 minimum contracts to fill the roster could put the team over the next tax threshold.

[Three34]

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages ... /hawks.jsp

I'll happily stake someone else's reputation on those being right. Ask me next week about Williams.

[Dunkenstein]

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/hawks.jsp

I'll happily stake someone else's reputation on those being right. Ask me next week about Williams.

You can stake my reputation that they're right. Of course, as a rule, my reputation is virtually worthless.

It's obvious that Sham is getting the league numbers, if somewhat belatedly, from a person or persons unknown and unrevealed, who knows a guy who empty waste baskets in some GM's office.

FYI, Marvin's numbers are:
$7,500,000
$6,712,500
$7,500,000
$8,287,500
$7,500,000 (ETO)