Tom Moore 2.0

ankle420breaker · Post #1221 » by **ankle420breaker** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 1:04 am

I'd rather take a flyer on Mike Taylor, who was also just waived.

Post #1222 » by **Foshan** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 1:06 am

lol but the 1.3 Bil people in china don't care about Taylor... not like taylor would play either.

Post #1223 » by **tk76** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 1:50 am

Foshan wrote:lol but the 1.3 Bil people in china don't care about Taylor... not like taylor would play either.

Nah, we should make a move to get the rights to Petteri Kaponen.

Who needs the #5 guy to 1.3B Chinese when we can have 5.3M rabid Finnish fans?

Post #1224 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 2:03 am

Mojo7 wrote:
Iguodala's shooting at the 2 is a non-issue if Lou shoots like he did the 07-08 season and Thad improves his shot. People make too much of Dala needing to be able to shoot at a high level to play the off-guard, when he fits the mold of athletic slashers who flourished at the 2(Drexler, Richmond, Harper, Jordan), especially when their back court mate could stroke it.

My comment on Andre's shooting ability was in regards specifically to the Princeton offense playing with this group of starters. I think that him, Lou, and Thad are lacking big time the type of shooting needed to be successful together in the Princeton, but I hope your right because I really like all three of them.

I wasn't making a general statement that you have to be a great shooter to play the two. The guys you mentioned played in different offenses surrounded by different players.

Mojo7 · Post #1225 » by **Mojo7** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 2:16 am

sixers hoops wrote:
Mojo7 wrote:
Iguodala's shooting at the 2 is a non-issue if Lou shoots like he did the 07-08 season and Thad improves his shot. People make too much of Dala needing to be able to shoot at a high level to play the off-guard, when he fits the mold of athletic slashers who flourished at the 2(Drexler, Richmond, Harper, Jordan), especially when their back court mate could stroke it.

My comment on Andre's shooting ability was in regards specifically to the Princeton offense playing with this group of starters. I think that him, Lou, and Thad are lacking big time the type of shooting needed to be successful together in the Princeton, but I hope your right because I really like all three of them.

I wasn't making a general statement that you have to be a great shooter to play the two. The guys you mentioned played in different offenses surrounded by different players.

All you need is one of them to be a consistent shooter. When NJ ran this offense to back to back finals, their perimeter group was Kidd, Kittles & Jefferson, only one bonafide shooter in the group. Thad is getting better, and still managed to shoot a solid percentage from deep at home as well as in many different months. If Lou gets his three-ball up to around the league average, they will be fine. I honestly think Jrue will prove to eventually be a better shooter then Lou by the time he takes over, but that is not going to be this year.

tmoore · Post #1226 » by **tmoore** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 2:39 am

Sorry I haven't been posting as much, but I'm just not hearing much is going on.

Post #1227 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 3:14 am

Mojo7 wrote:
All you need is one of them to be a consistent shooter.

Well, all three went to the Mark Price shooting camp so hopefully they made adjustments to at least show some improvement.

radrmd216 · Post #1228 » by **radrmd216** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 5:28 am

tk76 wrote:Long term my only major concerns are:
1. The Brand financial issue in 2-3 years- but this can hopefully be fixed later.
2. Does a 1/2/3 rotation of Lou/Holiday/Iguodala/Young provide enough shooting to maximize their talent?
3. Can a EJ coached team play elite level defense. The skill palyers are there so we will see.

I agree, those should be three big concerns. I think Brand can get his value back and could be a traded for possibly a team's cap space, an expiring contract, or a young player and a 2 yr. contract.

I think Young could be traded after having a big year this season while still on his rookie contract. Like you said to maximize talent, not just play well, I think obviously Jrue is the starter ina few eyars and ggy shoudl be the 3. I'm not sure where the SG will come from, but I think there will be a scenario where the Sixers can get a good SG. I'm startign to think maybe one of Smith or Speights will be tarded next year also. I can'y really see either maximizing their talent at center.

I think Eddie Jordan can develop the young guys and make them good offensive players, but other than Holiday and Iggy I'm a little concerned they might not think defense is as big of a facet of the game as offense. I think jordan will develop the young players and hopefully a defense oriented coach can build them into a championship contender.

BobbyJones · Post #1229 » by **BobbyJones** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 7:27 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:I don't blame you if you just joined the fourm and/or didn't watch the 2007 year but Randolph developed to be a solid big off the bench before a collision with Andre Iguodala.

We want the next Shavlik Randolph to develop some nice prospects that can contribute 2-3 years from now.

Well, I admit, I'm not the most prolific poster here, but I didn't exactly "just join". And my point was that, even for all the hype surrounding Shav, he never contributed much to the team in the long run. And if there is one thing this team needs less of, it is a "fan favorite" who doesn't achieve much.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #1230 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 11:16 am

Lou played badly.

Miller played just as bad.

corwin · Post #1231 » by **corwin** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 1:11 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:I'd rather take a flyer on Mike Taylor, who was also just waived.

Clipper fans are saying he's a lesser version of Louis Williams!

corwin · Post #1232 » by **corwin** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 1:14 pm

sixers hoops wrote:
Mojo7 wrote:

My comment on Andre's shooting ability was in regards specifically to the Princeton offense playing with this group of starters. I think that him, Lou, and Thad are lacking big time the type of shooting needed to be successful together in the Princeton, but I hope your right because I really like all three of them.

I wasn't making a general statement that you have to be a great shooter to play the two. The guys you mentioned played in different offenses surrounded by different players.

What about Willie? I think we're going to see Willie as the 3rd guard & maybe part-time-starter just like last year.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #1233 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 2:12 pm

And this "We're not near a contender" bull needs to stop. I'm finding myself agreeing with Ryst. Are you a contender by doing nothing? Instead of moaning and groaning about not being a contender, why not go out and become contenders?

And unlike the fanbase, I actually happen to think this team is a contending basketball team. We faced the Spurs, Rockets, Lakers of the NBA(Going 14-4 in that span) and unlike 2 years ago, you can't bring the excuse that they were resting their starters. because it was in January/February and it was in late April when we were fighting for a playoff spot and the Lakers, a top-seed.

These young kids have grown, they wanna win. And the next step is to stand up on their own two feet and win. So in support of those young kids and what they accomplished last year:

We lost Andre Miller: Boo Freaking Hoo, but that isn't going to stop us from moving forward and winning basketball games.

For the kids and for the sake of better basketball: Goodbye Miller, you won't be missed.

Post #1234 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 2:48 pm

tk76 wrote:
Long term my only major concerns are:
1. The Brand financial issue in 2-3 years- but this can hopefully be fixed later.
2. Does a 1/2/3 rotation of Lou/Holiday/Iguodala/Young provide enough shooting to maximize their talent?
3. Can a EJ coached team play elite level defense. The skill palyers are there so we will see.

My concern is our overall talent level. We have Andre who is a borderline All-Star, and Thad has potential to be an All-Star. However, look at the final four this year; it consisted of Kobe, Lebron, Carmelo/Billups, and Dwight. I really believe in the NBA you need an All-NBA player to win it all, with a few exceptions.

In the last 30 years, history shows you generally need that hall-of-fame caliber player to win, unless you have 5 All-Stars like the Pistons in 2003. The Sixers would be best served to keep stockpiling assets to be in a position to strike if a top 10 player becomes available, like Ainge did a few years back.

Post #1235 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 2:51 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Instead of moaning and groaning about not being a contender, why not go out and become contenders?

Nice speech, but in reality, the salary cap, lack of trade assets, and lack of top draft picks places limitations on our ability to acquire the type of players that would allow us to compete over a 7 game series with the better teams in the east.

Hipster Doofus · Post #1236 » by **Hipster Doofus** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 3:38 pm

Could we be interested in Sessions as the "mysterious" third team?

Post #1237 » by **tk76** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 4:10 pm

sixers hoops wrote:
My concern is our overall talent level... I really believe in the NBA you need an All-NBA player to win it all, with a few exceptions.

In the last 30 years, history shows you generally need that hall-of-fame caliber player to win, unless you have 5 All-Stars like the Pistons in 2003. The Sixers would be best served to keep stockpiling assets to be in a position to strike if a top 10 player becomes available, like Ainge did a few years back.

Yeah, its all sort of tied together. Other that tanking and getting lucky in the lottery the other way to get a HOF talent is through a trade. But you need expirings and tradable young assets to make that kind of move. If they are really lucky maybe they can trade for a vet superstar in 2 years using Sam's expiring and some of their young core as the bait.

I just wory that in 2 years they will be afraid to take on a superstar's salary because by then Brand/Iguodala will be on the books for 30M+. Comcast may say they would rather use Sam as salary relief than be willing to parlay his expiring salary into a superstar.

On a lesser level that is why the team held onto to Miller. They wanted the cap relief. If tehy traded Miller at the deadline it would have translated into more salary for this year. Hopefully they will be more willing to spend if the reward is a real star and contention... but I'm not sure if hey would ever commit 50M to 3 players and that is what it would take if Brand is still on the books.

ankle420breaker · Post #1238 » by **ankle420breaker** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 4:14 pm

g selle wrote:Could we be interested in Sessions as the "mysterious" third team?

Surprised to see LAC going after him considering they just signed Baron to a ridiculous deal.

ankle420breaker · Post #1239 » by **ankle420breaker** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 5:31 pm

freshie2 wrote:OK...since everyone is bored, here is about 3 minutes of tease...Sammy, Smitty, and Jrue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N0RunptQEg

Its good to see Jordan out there making an effort to coach Dalembert... He does seem like he's more involved than Cheeks and DiLeo, as Daly pointed out in the interview.

Nice to see Jrue and Smith working on their games. Smith looks like he hasn't lost that explosiveness, which is good to see. I think he's going to be a solid contributor for us off the bench. He's a great slasher for a 7 footer, can run the floor well, and his shot is reliable. There have also been rumblings about him extending his range to 3pt range, which we all know would be in this team's best interest.

Hopefully they post more of those inside practice videos. Would like to see Lou working out there with Jordan.

Post #1240 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 5:33 pm

tk76 wrote:Other that tanking and getting lucky in the lottery the other way to get a HOF talent is through a trade. But you need expirings and tradable young assets to make that kind of move. If they are really lucky maybe they can trade for a vet superstar in 2 years using Sam's expiring and some of their young core as the bait.

I just wory that in 2 years they will be afraid to take on a superstar's salary because by then Brand/Iguodala will be on the books for 30M+. Comcast may say they would rather use Sam as salary relief than be willing to parlay his expiring salary into a superstar.

If they are able to trade Brand for an expiring and free up salary, I think Amare could at some point be a legit option.