Tom Moore 2.0

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #1241 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 5:35 pm

I don't think healthy or not healthy, Brand will command a expiring. Unless a team is CLOSE and needs an impact PF.

And I think we're close.

Post #1242 » by **tk76** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 6:13 pm

sixers hoops wrote:
If they are able to trade Brand for an expiring and free up salary, I think Amare could at some point be a legit option.

I'm not sure the timing will work out. Amare will likely be on another team before Brand is moved (1-2 years.) It will more likely be a 2011 FA than a 2010. i do think Amare could have ended up a Sixer had things gone a little bit differently in the last 12 months.

Mojo7 · Post #1243 » by **Mojo7** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 6:25 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:
freshie2 wrote:OK...since everyone is bored, here is about 3 minutes of tease...Sammy, Smitty, and Jrue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N0RunptQEg

Its good to see Jordan out there making an effort to coach Dalembert... He does seem like he's more involved than Cheeks and DiLeo, as Daly pointed out in the interview.

Nice to see Jrue and Smith working on their games. Smith looks like he hasn't lost that explosiveness, which is good to see. I think he's going to be a solid contributor for us off the bench. He's a great slasher for a 7 footer, can run the floor well, and his shot is reliable. There have also been rumblings about him extending his range to 3pt range, which we all know would be in this team's best interest.

Hopefully they post more of those inside practice videos. Would like to see Lou working out there with Jordan.

The website had an interview with Lou, which showed him working out at PCOM. He talked about going through some drills with Jordan and getting what he called "Orientation" on the PO. Good stuff.

Also, there was an interview on CSNPhilly.com where he's talking to Dei at the Beach Bash and he specifically said that everyone has come in at some point and worked with the staff. The front office was said to be ecstatic, because that was a first for many of the players during their time here.

radrmd216 · Post #1244 » by **radrmd216** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 8:51 pm

Sixers Hoops, your hitting right on the head. An actual winning championship team needs a great player. A perennial winning team is different then a championship winning team. Building a championship in the NBA is like building a puzzle. Building a puzzle with big pieces (franchise player) is much easier than buildin a puzzle with a lot smaller pieces. A team can only add so much salary and a franchise player is needed to win.

Since 1980, I think the 83 Sixers, 04 Pistons, 06 heat, and 08 Celtics have been the only teams to win just one championship. The other championship teams drafted their franchise player and have championships in multiples. Things change a lot (i.e. league expansion, free ageny etc.), but oe thing has remained the same, a team wining a championship must have a truly great player.

I just think championships are rare and a team that gets one of the great players of the generation wins the championship. Jordan and Olajuwon kept a lot of great players from wining a championship in the 90's. Looking to the future a team with a player like Lebron or Dwight will probably be the next team that wins multiple championships. It sucks but basketball is much different than baseball or fottball.

radrmd216 · Post #1245 » by **radrmd216** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 9:03 pm

Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Moses Malone
Julius Erving
Isiah Thomas
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Tim Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
Dwayne Wade
Kevin Garnett

That is pretty much the primary franchise player that has been on a chmpionship team. There have been other very good players, but that those are the base players of a championship team. Looking just as an NBA fan I would say Lebron, Dwight, possibly Wade again, and maybe a few other though it's unlikely, are the players that will be on Championship teams the next decade. Another great player will probably come a long in years, but as of right now ebron and Dwight look like the future championship wise.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #1246 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 10:19 pm

Well, we're not getting these type of players any time soon. Lou COULD become an Isiah Thomas. But we don't know anything about him yet.

Those Pistons were unconventional(Not the 2004 ones) in that, their defense came mostly from their front-court(Bill Laimbeer, Dennis Rodman(Yes, he was a Piston) and their offense came from their guards.

Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars was so un-natural, you had 2 scoring guards together in the back-court. I wonder if Joe is trying to ressurect that with Gordan and Stuckey.

That 2 guard offense is really potent. Can't blame Thomas for trying it with Francis-Marbury. But the problem was not only injuries, but as you can figure: One of the guards needs to be pass-first. And neither Francis or Marbury were conditioned to be that type of player.

Which is why Billups-JR is gonna look so nastay. My dark horse to win it all is Denver.

Post #1247 » by **sixers hoops** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 1:19 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Well, we're not getting these type of players any time soon.

True, but every move that Ed makes should be preparing to find a that type of player, or even a top 12 or top 15 player. It is to difficult to acquire those players via free-agency, so you should always have assets ready for when a stud hits the market.

Otherwise, building a championship team will be very difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #1248 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 3:36 am

I happen to think Iggy is a top-15 SG/SF and Young can be a top 15 type soon.

radrmd216 · Post #1249 » by **radrmd216** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 5:48 am

I think sixers hoops means top 12-15 best player in the NBA. I would even venture to say a championship team must have a top 10 player and most likely another player that is one of the best at his position.

4peter64 · Post #1250 » by **4peter64** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 10:12 am

In your list of championship players, you forget Jabbar. The center position is still very important and while Jordan did not need dominate center, Kobe, Wade and others stil needed a very good center to win the chip. Philly has a negative at center that needs to be dealt with.

As for Iggy and Young being top 12-15 players,Iggy won't get there as a SG, therefore he and Young play the same position. One needs to go so that the other can reach his potential.

corwin · Post #1251 » by **corwin** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 2:19 pm

Tom,
It appears that Sessions is available for close to a MLE contract. He might fit as part of the young core. Could the Sixers be the mysterious 3rd team interested in him?

youngcrev · Post #1252 » by **youngcrev** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 5:09 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Well, we're not getting these type of players any time soon. Lou COULD become an Isiah Thomas. But we don't know anything about him yet.

We know enough to know he's never going to be anywhere near as good as Isiah Thomas.

As for Joe trying to "resurrect" two offensive guards in the same backcourt... that's what he has had all along. Billups and Rip, AI and Rip, Stuckey and Rip.

And I guess you don't know this, but Joe Dumars was a very good defender.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #1253 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 7:50 pm

Stuckey and Rip don't go together for the same reason A.I and Rip don't go together. While Stuckey is driving and trying to make a play, Rip is running around in circles.

Chanucey Billups was the prototypical Half-court PG that fits next to a Rip. A shooter rather then a slasher.

ITK9 · Post #1254 » by **ITK9** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 8:15 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote: Lou COULD become an Isiah Thomas.
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so in your opinion Lou could become a top 5 pg of all-time.seriously, do you EVER think before write?

BobbyJones · Post #1255 » by **BobbyJones** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 9:04 pm

ITK9 wrote:seriously, do you EVER think before write?

No.

radrmd216 · Post #1256 » by **radrmd216** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 11:16 pm

I didn't forget Kareem, I just thought Magic was the better player for them in their championship run, but it was close. The prototypical team has a dominant big that can play both ends of the floot, a dominant scorer, and a PG that can control tempo. I think a dominant big can get away with not having a dominant scoer if hes has a few other very good players. Also a dominant scorer can get away with not having a dominant big if he had very good players around him, but the big is always the player to build around.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #1257 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 11:51 pm

ITK9 wrote:
Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote: Lou COULD become an Isiah Thomas.
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so in your opinion Lou could become a top 5 pg of all-time.seriously, do you EVER think before write?

I mentioned that they were scoring guards. Lou could be a productive scoring guard at the PT.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1258 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 12:09 am

Willie Green will emerge as the next Kobe Bryant. You heard it here first.

UptownPhilly · Post #1259 » by **UptownPhilly** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 12:16 am

Who's Kobe Bryant? Willie Green is the G.O.A.T.

freshie2 · Post #1260 » by **freshie2** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 12:20 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:
ITK9 wrote:
Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote: Lou COULD become an Isiah Thomas.
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so in your opinion Lou could become a top 5 pg of all-time.seriously, do you EVER think before write?

I mentioned that they were scoring guards. Lou could be a productive scoring guard at the PT.

Isaiah was a 19 ppg and 9+ apg PG...is that a scoring guard?? Isaiah's game is what I dreamed Iverson would be...Iverson is a scoring guard, Isaiah was a true PG...who could score in the clutch.