OT: Odom back to Lakers

[Celtsfan1980]

It's reasons like this thread as to why I hardly come on to the basketball boards anymore. On paper the Lakers look very good, but Artest couldn't shoot 3's very well at all last season. If he shoots the way he did last season even with his defense I don't see how he helps much. A good team but certainly beatable.

[000078ude54]

Drama: didn't ya'll try to trade rondo & r. allen to the pistons, the two players you won the championship with a couple of years ago. Now thats drama . Well anyway i hope to see ya'll in the championship, should be the best nba champioship in history.

Right - compare a rumor that lasted a couple days to Odom screwing around for weeks and then crawling back to LA like a whimpering dog. Clearly, both situations produced the same amount of drama.

Sorry the negotiations took so long. You seem very bitter that Odom is back.Oh and the Celtics have more talent? Put a poll on the General board and find out.

No, my point is this: Don't toy around with another franchise's team and fanbase (Heat). Don't pretend you're interested in another team when you're just trying to worm your way into a contract with your current team. It is classless and arrogant. And yes, I'll take our 1 thru 7 over any other team in the world. The Lakers have a 1 thru 5 and that's it. Fisher, Vujacic, and Walton just don't count. A poll? Why bother. L.A... Purple and Yellow uniforms... the drama... the glitz... there's too many people attracted to that stuff, like moths to a front porch light. Of course the poll would tilt towards L.A.

This has all to do with Lamar, not the Lakers. He's a bone head. I can't stop you from hating whoever you want to hate but this is what I told you in that Sheed thread that he would be back & you basically got pissed. The main thing is let's pray we both stay healthy & see what's up.

Can't say I remember conversing with you on anything... but you know, I knew Odom would be back, too. You know why? Because L.A. is like a drug to the players that play there for the Lakers. Once they get a fix, they CAN'T leave. Being Kobe's b is too enticing to them. Plus, the Lakers have a history of players with integrity problems. From Buss on down, this franchise has a history of whiners, cheaters, and douchebags in general.

As far as on paper, that doesn't matter. What matters is what happens on the court. I still pick you guys to come out of the East I did so even before you got Sheed so I really think so now. Truthfully the only thing I hate the most about the Celtics is the fact that you guys are up on us 9-2 in the Finals. Sounds to me like you hate the Lakers because we are good. I hope we can begin to rectify that at the end of this season.

Someone mentioned the teams' talents on paper so I did a quick tally of who's actually got the talent. I hate the Lakers for a myriad of reasons. Them being "good" is not one of them.

[DEEP3CL]

It's reasons like this thread as to why I hardly come on to the basketball boards anymore.

Celtsfan1980 your too smart of a poster to let reality situations that we can't control affect you like that. You know that I know you have a great knowledge of the game, because unlike many others you know the history of the game. I've had many spirited debates with you, sorry you feel that way about the situation.

On paper the Lakers look very good, but Artest couldn't shoot 3's very well at all last season. If he shoots the way he did last season even with his defense I don't see how he helps much. A good team but certainly beatable.

Well CF80, that's not true. Ron shot .399 and that's close to the .409 that Ray Allen shot last season and the season before Ray shot .398 which is also his career percentage. It's your opinion that you think it won't help much, but personally I find that quite asinine knowing ball the way I do. Ron will be a huge help in a lot of areas we were weak.

And yes the Lakers are beatable as is any team. The elite teams build their teams for the playoffs, the object is to make a team literally struggle to win a series. Teams like the Celtics and Lakers or Spurs will beat you in the regular season on just being better, but come spring they will beat you on talent while exposing your weakness.

[Vincent 666]

I said..I THINK..KEYWORD..THINK...Artest is better..no doubt about it..but how will he fit in with LA? How will he fit in with Kobe? The guy has played in alot of teams in this league..and was a problem in most...Ariza is a good, solid young player..he did all the little things LA needed last year in the Finals...had you kept him, you already knew what you would have..with Artest, you don't know yet..you might have a beast, or a big problem..that's why I said..Ariza was the safer bet..No need to get slick about it..relax...

How is that any different than the Celtics replacing Powe and possibly Davis with one of the league's biggest headcases in Wallace?

[Celtsfan1980]

It's reasons like this thread as to why I hardly come on to the basketball boards anymore.

Celtsfan1980 your too smart of a poster to let reality situations that we can't control affect you like that. You know that I know you have a great knowledge of the game, because unlike many others you know the history of the game. I've had many spirited debates with you, sorry you feel that way about the situation.

You're respectful so I don't have a big problem with you posting here. Most of the other Laker fans who post here aren't too respectful so there is a difference. I've lurked on the Lakers board once in a while and I've noticed few Celtic fans post on that board. Maybe I'm going in the wrong threads, but I do expect the same respect shown both ways and I don't feel like it's happened.

[TonyMontana]

It's reasons like this thread as to why I hardly come on to the basketball boards anymore.

Celtsfan1980 your too smart of a poster to let reality situations that we can't control affect you like that. You know that I know you have a great knowledge of the game, because unlike many others you know the history of the game. I've had many spirited debates with you, sorry you feel that way about the situation.

You're respectful so I don't have a big problem with you posting here. Most of the other Laker fans who post here aren't too respectful so there is a difference. I've lurked on the Lakers board once in a while and I've noticed few Celtic fans post on that board. Maybe I'm going in the wrong threads, but I do expect the same respect shown both ways and I don't feel like it's happened.

I think thats the part that a lot of posters are missing about this board. The fact that you are welcomed on other boards specially with lets say our two teams. We have a lot in common, but at times people start taking cheap shots at you your team and your fan base then all hell turns loose and it becomes personal and take the fin out of posting. I know I recently went through it with a couple of your fans on G.B. I didnt like it but hey like you said you expect the same respect shown both ways.

Its one thing for newbie's that just rolled up on realgm or your board or our board to run their mouths and take cheap shots or disrespect posters but when your Vet posters who have been here for a while who actually know you and have had a lot of good and bad debates arguments etc do that then its different.

I like posting on this board, its always fun and very enjoyable, but on the other hand I know being a Laker fan puts a bullseye on my back too for C fans to take cheap shots at me too. But it is what it is.

[DEEP3CL]

It's reasons like this thread as to why I hardly come on to the basketball boards anymore.

Celtsfan1980 your too smart of a poster to let reality situations that we can't control affect you like that. You know that I know you have a great knowledge of the game, because unlike many others you know the history of the game. I've had many spirited debates with you, sorry you feel that way about the situation.

You're respectful so I don't have a big problem with you posting here. Most of the other Laker fans who post here aren't too respectful so there is a difference. I've lurked on the Lakers board once in a while and I've noticed few Celtic fans post on that board. Maybe I'm going in the wrong threads, but I do expect the same respect shown both ways and I don't feel like it's happened.

OK now I see clearly where your coming from now, some how it went over my head but I guess you were talking about posters coming to the board not showing respect. I post here some time because for one I know that I can have a decent convo with somebody on ball only, secondly I'm only going to debate whatever issue is being discussed. I'm too old for that "my team is better than your team" crap. Let's talk facts, matchups and issues regarding the teams involved.......at least that's my MO.

[Anklebreaker702]

This has all to do with Lamar, not the Lakers. He's a bone head. I can't stop you from hating whoever you want to hate but this is what I told you in that Sheed thread that he would be back & you basically got pissed. The main thing is let's pray we both stay healthy & see what's up.

Can't say I remember conversing with you on anything... but you know, I knew Odom would be back, too. You know why? Because L.A. is like a drug to the players that play there for the Lakers. Once they get a fix, they CAN'T leave. Being Kobe's b is too enticing to them. Plus, the Lakers have a history of players with integrity problems. From Buss on down, this franchise has a history of whiners, cheaters, and douchebags in general.


(From Anklebreaker702) Maybe this will refresh your memory

My quote was in a response to DubaLakers. Why you cite it as if you were part of that back-and-forth is puzzling.

Don't lump every Celtics fan together. "We" aren't acting like anything. It's not a stretch to understand the excitement amongst C fans, and for anyone who has ever said anything about winning the title based off of the Rasheed signing, they're entitled to that opinion. And they may be proven right.

Nope, the LA-is-soft argument is alive and well. Because the Lakers won the title against a team that had no business being there doesn't mean that all of the sudden Gasol and Bynum are Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason.


Overhype the Artest signing all you want. That's fine. Look, it's a great pickup; every team would like someone of his talent. But you want to talk about Celtics fans being obnoxious when the general mood amongst Lakers fans is that the team is unbeatable, which is naive and unrealistic. He's not the Artest from 5 years ago. It's my opinion that Laker fans are going to be rather disappointed when all these high expectations go unfulfilled.

And gimme a break on the Odom-Artest bosom buddies thing. You may not WANT Odom to leave but that doesn't mean he won't. Big difference. If Portland gives him a larger deal than LA has in mind for the near future, he's gone. Money and security talks - not a city, not a friendship, not even a title team (Ariza).

I took it like that because you directly quoted me. 1st off you are so pro C's you are blinded by how much of a homer you are being with every post. I ditectly said its a great pick up. You want to talk about being over hyped, you dont even know how Sheed will work with your squad & your 1st post was about dethroning us. Your more sensible posters are talking about making it through the East 1st. Now just incase you didn't notice I am not what you would call a typical Laker fan. You don't see any flame wars in here with me with any of your other posters. I have much respect on this board & just as well, I give it.

Fact of the matter is we are the World Champions until it is taken away. You cant have it both ways. You get Sheed & instantly talk championship then think its over blown when we (already being the champs) make what we feel is a key aquisition talk about repeating then its suddenly over hyped? Naw dawg, doesnt work that way. Although it may be hard 4 u 2 do, sometimes you have to take off the Green & White shades & look at things through the eyes of a fan of the game & not just your team.

As far as on paper, that doesn't matter. What matters is what happens on the court. I still pick you guys to come out of the East I did so even before you got Sheed so I really think so now. Truthfully the only thing I hate the most about the Celtics is the fact that you guys are up on us 9-2 in the Finals. Sounds to me like you hate the Lakers because we are good. I hope we can begin to rectify that at the end of this season.

Someone mentioned the teams' talents on paper so I did a quick tally of who's actually got the talent. I hate the Lakers for a myriad of reasons. Them being "good" is not one of them.

Fact of the matter is I've seen posters like you come & go. You are hate driven. All you want to do is have these "my team is the best & yours sucks" type of arguments. It just shows how elementary you truly are. There are a lot of really good posters on this board that know how to show respect & you are not 1 of them.

As far as character problems the Lakers are supposedly known for, you can talk about Magic & HIV all you want. You can talk about Worthy & his escort service all you want. You can talk about Kobe & his rape case all you want. It doesn't change the fact that your team has had its issues as well. Such as them being responsible for their 1st round draft pick & probable future franchise player doping himself to death.

I'm going to make this clear to all the C's posters that I truly enjoy posting with, that will not change. I hope we can keep at it all season long, but this hate driven crap is for haters so I understand why this guy posts like this. So keep hating. Hope it makes you feel better.

[DEEP3CL]

Right - compare a rumor that lasted a couple days to Odom screwing around for weeks and then crawling back to LA like a whimpering dog. Clearly, both situations produced the same amount of drama.

There was no drama, it was only drama to you because you glued yourself to the media for information.

Don't toy around with another franchise's team and fanbase (Heat). Don't pretend you're interested in another team when you're just trying to worm your way into a contract with your current team. It is classless and arrogant.

You clearly don't understand the art of negotiations, man how old are you ? Yes he clearly used the Heat as leverage, but free agency is for the players not the fans. He had to use the Heat because he needed a real threat to use against the Lakers, he needed to know how serious the Lakers were about keeping him. Nothing more nothing less.

[000078ude54]

Fact of the matter is I've seen posters like you come & go. You are hate driven. All you want to do is have these "my team is the best & yours sucks" type of arguments. It just shows how elementary you truly are. There are a lot of really good posters on this board that know how to show respect & you are not 1 of them.

You've seen it all 'round these parts, have you? Been here, fought some battles, and kept on keeping on.

Stop.

No. I'm not "driven by hate" at all. I posted some comments that you don't like and you're whining about it. I suppose there's an unwritten rule here that people can post as long as they agree to hold hands and roast marshmallows with everyone. And don't forget... you - a Lakers fan - are posting in the Celtics forum. It'd be one thing if I or anyone else went into the Lakers forum, repeatedly, and tried to pick a fight. I haven't even done that here in the Celtics forum and yet inane rebuttals from people like you keep popping up. You don't like what someone has to say, keep it moving.

As far as character problems the Lakers are supposedly known for, you can talk about Magic & HIV all you want. You can talk about Worthy & his escort service all you want. You can talk about Kobe & his rape case all you want. It doesn't change the fact that your team has had its issues as well. Such as them being responsible for their 1st round draft pick & probable future franchise player doping himself to death.

Hmm. Magic never crossed my mind on the subject, nor Worthy. Kobe, yes. Interesting that you've got somewhat of an unofficial tally of your team's troubles. I can respect that, actually. There are plenty of Lakers fans who completely ignore player conduct as if it doesn't matter. So, hat's off to you for acknowledging that there is a uniquely seedy side to some Lakers players of yesterday (today?). That seediness is a significant part of why I don't like the Lakers. It has seemed, for a long time, that Lakers ownership/management has turned a blind eye and deaf ear to any bad behavior and poor character displayed either by itself or its players. And a portion of the fanbase has similarly reacted, or not reacted, to those instances, which fuels a perception - real or imagined - that many people (you might call them "Laker haters") don't like. And the Celtics are responsible in some way for Len Bias' pattern of drug use, and subsequent overdose and death that took place mere hours after they drafted him? I won't insult you by thinking you actually believe such an assertion.

I'm going to make this clear to all the C's posters that I truly enjoy posting with, that will not change. I hope we can keep at it all season long, but this hate driven crap is for haters so I understand why this guy posts like this. So keep hating. Hope it makes you feel better.

Anyone hear a baby crying? Approximately a handful of anti-Lakers opinions and you act as though it's some long track record of vicious, unrelenting attacks. But seriously, put down the gun. The world will not end because someone doesn't like your team, on a message board no less. There's a Lakers forum here, right? And you enjoy posting there, right? Good.

There was no drama, it was only drama to you because you glued yourself to the media for information.

False. Agree to disagree, I suppose. There is a world outside of southern California where things are in technicolor, not purple and yellow (or is that "Forum blue and gold"?). The Odom situation was screwy. Your opinion differs from that take. And that's fine.

You clearly don't understand the art of negotiations, man how old are you ? Yes he clearly used the Heat as leverage, but free agency is for the players not the fans. He had to use the Heat because he needed a real threat to use against the Lakers, he needed to know how serious the Lakers were about keeping him. Nothing more nothing less.

Is it the art of negotiations or, in Odom's case, the art of jerking people around? Opinions vary. So, he HAD to use the Heat as leverage, for weeks on end, to get a LESSER contract than Buss originally offered him? Sounds successful. You clearly don't understand the art of negotiations. How old are you?

I'm here to enjoy this board like everyone else, and I don't concern myself with counterpointing every comment or opinion with which I disagree. I've addressed comments here directed towards me and that's the end of my involvement with those comments. I can only recommend this approach for others.

Good day.

[canman1971]

I feel this thread has gone it the wrong direction, thus declared it locked. canman