CBA-Bird Rights Question?

rrdjutriurt · Post #1 » by **rrdjutriurt** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:11 pm

O.K lets say the Knicks sign Nate and David Lee to one year contracts. Because they would have been in the employ of the Knicks for 4 seasons, do the Knicks still retain the bird rights for after next season. I know there's a clause that allows contracts to be broken up into three one year contracts and bird rights would become in effect. But what if you played out a 3 year contract than signed for one more? Also does the fact that your an unrestricted or restricted free agent before you sign that one year with your present team, play any part in the whole bird right retention.

Anyone that can answer this is GOD!

Wizenheimer · Post #2 » by **Wizenheimer** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:23 pm

The Knicks would retain Bird Rights, but of course, both players would be unrestricted free agents next summer so NY wouldn't have the right to match

I think ( and I could be wrong about this) though that the minimum contract length for an RFA is two years if the original team has submitted a standard qualifying offer

Post #3 » by **Three34** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:24 pm

Bird rights are reset when a player changes teams as a free agent. Since they won't have done that, their Bird rights will not have changed.

rrdjutriurt · Post #4 » by **rrdjutriurt** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:23 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:The Knicks would retain Bird Rights, but of course, both players would be unrestricted free agents next summer so NY wouldn't have the right to match

I think ( and I could be wrong about this) though that the minimum contract length for an RFA is two years if the original team has submitted a standard qualifying offer

Thanks shout out to Wizenheimer and Sham for the answers. Asked this question several times but no-one seemed to know the answer. Finally got a good response.

Post #5 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 8:08 am

I have some questions along this line too.

As the poster said above, minimum length of a contract for an RFA is 2 years? Well, NY obviously wouldn't entertain a 2 year contract cause they'd lose too much salary, so I can't imagine that's strictly true (unless there's some loophole like a team option).

Obviously, Lee & Nate would be BYC players at 50% value via trade coming back.

What is the rule with trading a BYC player with another player? I thought I heard somewhere that it can't be done (so, for example, say that NY signs Lee to said 1 year deal with a player option and they wants to trade Lee & Jeffries together) - is that possible? I couldn't find anything in Larry Coon, but I thought I read a post somewhere that said such a trade couldn't be done.

Also on the 1 year contract idea:

As I understand it, if it's a 1 year contract with a 2nd year as a team option, and if that option is agreed to prior to the trade, then Lee & Nate could be traded with bird rights intact. At least if I read Larry COon correctly, that's how I understand it.

If it's a straight 1 year deal without a team option, then if Lee/Nate are traded they would not have bird rights on their new team.

Post #6 » by **Three34** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 8:29 am

Minimum contract for someone else's RFA is two years. But you can re-sign your own RFA's for one year. Happens a lot, actually.

What is the rule with trading a BYC player with another player? I thought I heard somewhere that it can't be done

It can be done. It's just not easy. But it's easier to trade BYC players the more aggregated salary you have.

Post #7 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 10:15 am

OK, so, as I understand it.

If Lee signs a 1 year deal with NYK (say 9 million).

Lee & Eddy Curry (10.5) million could be traded together, after the 30 days for a new contract, but because it's a 1 year deal, Lee would have to give his concent to a trade.

Lee BYC 9 = 4.5 so it'd be 19.5 out, 15 back (15 x 1.25 + 100 grand) = 18.85 max that could come back.

That's workable, but since NY would want at least half of that 18.85 to be an expiring deal, it may not be likely.

Dunkenstein · Post #8 » by **Dunkenstein** » Wed Aug 5, 2009 4:31 pm

Luv those Knicks wrote:Lee & Eddy Curry (10.5) million could be traded together, after the 30 days for a new contract, but because it's a 1 year deal, Lee would have to give his concent to a trade.

The rule is that a player (except for a draft pick) cannot be traded until three months after signing a contract or December 15th of that season, whichever is later.

LarryCoon · Post #9 » by **LarryCoon** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:52 pm

Luv those Knicks wrote: What is the rule with trading a BYC player with another player? I thought I heard somewhere that it can't be done (so, for example, say that NY signs Lee to said 1 year deal with a player option and they wants to trade Lee & Jeffries together) - is that possible? I couldn't find anything in Larry Coon,

I thought I felt something funny.