Overrated GM's

[NO-KG-AI]

It's definitely Colangelo to me.

I hear about him as a deity, and haven't seen anything that makes me think he is even average. I think he's terrible.

[Kefa461]

I think your gm Danny ainge takes it. just my 2cents
I'll leave now.

As Danny shines the Trophy and his Ring and waves bye bye

[BillessuR6]

John Paxon is/was one of the worst GM`s in the league...I have never seen a guy more afraid of making trades/mistakes...terrible GM...

[DuckIII]

John Paxon is/was one of the worst GM`s in the league...

That would be an impossible argument to defend with actual facts.

I have never seen a guy more afraid of making trades/mistakes...terrible GM...

4 of the Bulls 5 starters this year will be players Paxson has acquired in trades. 5 of the primary 8 man rotation are players Paxson acquired in trades. There are some trade discussions that didn't go through from the Bulls side (Gasol definitely and perhaps Boozer this summer being the only two legitimate ones), but not being a Bulls fan you wouldn't know that those decisions were driven by financial decisions made by the ownership group. Paxson can only effect the trades that the ownership will be willing to pay for and approve.

Anyway, I don't expect Celtics fans to be as informed about these things as a Bulls fan would be, but since they were brought up I thought I'd give you the additional information for your discussions.

[DuckIII]

Paxson hasn't been fired? I thought the Bulls had dumped him.

He changed titles. Gar Forman is formally the "GM" but Paxson still is the primary decision maker (behind Jerry Reinsdorf, of course). Pax is still the boss.

He should send Rose a card and flowers every day to thank him for every day he still has a job.

As should every GM who ever had the good fortune of drafting a franchise player. Luck is always a considerable factor in building a contending team.

[BillessuR6]

That would be an impossible argument to defend with actual facts.


4 of the Bulls 5 starters this year will be players Paxson has acquired in trades. 5 of the primary 8 man rotation are players Paxson acquired in trades. There are some trade discussions that didn't go through from the Bulls side (Gasol definitely and perhaps Boozer this summer being the only two legitimate ones), but not being a Bulls fan you wouldn't know that those decisions were driven by financial decisions made by the ownership group. Paxson can only effect the trades that the ownership will be willing to pay for and approve.

Anyway, I don't expect Celtics fans to be as informed about these things as a Bulls fan would be, but since they were brought up I thought I'd give you the additional information for your discussions.

So, you wouldn`t say he fell in love with his draft picks? He missed out on every allstar player who was available in the last 3 years most notably KG, Gasol...Of course, bulls fans always say that other teams turned their offers down but that is just what the bulls management is feeding to CHI media...The fact is he overrated Deng, Gordon, Thomas and every other lottery pick he selected...

Derrick Rose is the one great thing that has come out of his tenure as the GM of CHI. And that was pure, unbelievable luck...

[DuckIII]

So, you wouldn`t say he fell in love with his draft picks?

No, I really wouldn't. He traded Nocioni, traded Thabo, and let both Gordon and Duhon walk away for nothing as free agents. And Tyrus Thomas is next.

He missed out on every allstar player who was available in the last 3 years most notably KG, Gasol...

That's true. As to KG, Paxson made numerous good offers to McHale over the years (Chandler/Deng when they were at peak value), but Minny simply wasn't ready to trade him. Then Ainge offered more than Paxson could. Jefferson (not to mention the returned lottery pick) was/is a much better prospect than anything the Bulls had to offer. So you guys won out.

As for Gasol, the team owner recently said flat out that he wouldn't let Pax do the deal because he didn't believe a team with Gasol as its best player could ever accomplish anything. Rip Riensdorf if you want, but Pax can only make trades that the owners will approve.

The fact is he overrated Deng, Gordon, Thomas and every other lottery pick he selected...

He "overrates" Gordon by letting him leave with no compensation? Deng has had injury problems recently. As for Thomas, I noted above that it was a bad draft pick and that almost none of us attempt to defend it.

Derrick Rose is the one great thing that has come out of his tenure as the GM of CHI. And that was pure, unbelievable luck...

As is every single franchise player that is drafted. Luck is a requisite element of being considered a good GM. And unlike a GM like Dumars or Colangelo or Pritchard, at least Paxson picked the right guy when the luck of the pick fell his way.

There is no plausible argument that Paxson is a "bad" or "terrible" GM. Not as good as his early reputation? Sure. But he's still done a good, just not great, job.

[mg]

Pritchard in Portland.

It's easy to stockpile young talent when your owner has an open pocketbook which allows you to buy picks from teams at the end of the first round looking to dump salary. Brandon Roy was a very good pick but he may have struck out on his biggest pick when Pritchard selected Oden over Durant. Now Bayless is looking like another possible strikeout although Batum was a nice get in last year's draft (with yet another bought draft pick).

Pritchard had a chance to really improve the Blazers last year at the trade deadline but wasn't able to pull the trigger on a deal. This was the summer they were going to have space to sign a major FA and all they got was Andre Miller. No disrespect to Miller.

[BillessuR6]

There is no plausible argument that Paxson is a "bad" or "terrible" GM. Not as good as his early reputation? Sure. But he's still done a good, just not great, job.

In the end I guess the important thing is that you guys think he is good...

[closg00]

Dumars had a solid draft, so he's looking very smart. I think Dumars is safe unless the Piston really look bad.

[DuckIII]

There is no plausible argument that Paxson is a "bad" or "terrible" GM. Not as good as his early reputation? Sure. But he's still done a good, just not great, job.

In the end I guess the important thing is that you guys think he is good...

We're the ones who have to live with him, after all.

But believe me, as with any GM, there are some outspoken fans that would prefer he be fired.