TT '09 - DEAD Thread

[ecuhus1981]

PRELIMINARY ROUND: Trade a TPE

OK, I thought that the best way to test participants' trading aptitude (and thereby, determine seedings) was to judge everyone on their ability to make a proposal involving a traded player exception (TPE). As you know, there are not very many teams with a large TPE, and with the current economical climate, the value of these commodities has risen.

Here is a list of the teams with large TPEs:

Denver Nuggets - $9.7mil TPE, $2.1mil TPE
LA Clippers - $7.3mil TPE
Orlando Magic - $6.8mil TPE
Miami Heat - $4.2mil TPE
New Jersey Nets - $3.7mil TPE
LA Lakers - $2.5mil TPE
Milwaukee Bucks - $2.1mil TPE
Phoenix Suns - $2mil TPE

(These are NOT the only TPEs you may use, just the largest ones. Any TPE is allowed. ESPN's Trade Machine is a great reference tool, if you are looking for a smaller TPE.)

Feel free to go as conservative or as risky as you like, but I cannot stress this enough: MAKE SURE THAT YOUR TRADE WORKS! That means that, for example, you cannot trade a TPE for a player whose contract is greater than the size of the TPE. The 125% rule does NOT apply. Also, you cannot combine a player with a TPE from the same team in a single trade. E.G., the Clippers could not trade Ricky Davis AND their TPE for Corey Maggette.

Consider the needs of every team involved in your trade. Would the team giving the TPE seek expirings and youth in return, or a quality veteran on a long-term contract? Does the team accepting the TPE really need to shed salary badly enough to warrant this transaction? Have fun with it, and again, feel free to ask a judge for guidance if you're not sure whether your idea will work.

DEADLINE: SUNDAY, 8/9/09 AT MIDNIGHT ET

Happy trading!


ADDENDUM #1: "once you post your idea, that's your idea."
ADDENDUM #2: "we are not going to discuss... assignment proposals"
ADDENDUM #3: "You are free to explain your trade"
ADDENDUM #4: "DO NOT edit your proposals!"
ADDENDUM #5: "You are expected to judge them all"
ADDENDUM #6: "I hope we don't have to make Hammurabi's Code of Trading" (p.s. This is already turning into one...)

[legacyinthemakin89c]

TPE Trade:

Denver Nuggets Trade:
Allen Iverson TPE for 5.2 million
Chucky Atkins TPE for 1.7 million

Denver Nuggets Receive:
Kyle Korver
Francisco Elson

Utah Jazz Trade:
Kyle Korver

Utah Jazz Receive:
Allen Iverson TPE for 5.2 million

Milwaukee Bucks Trade:
Francisco Elson

Milwaukee Bucks Receive:
Chucky Atkins TPE for 1.7 million

This is technically two different trades I just combined into one. It works under the trade checker.

Why for Denver:
With Kleiza gone to Europe, they get a guy in Korver who can come off the bench and knock down threes. Korver obviously doesn't bring everything that Kleiza did, but hes a guy who can stretch the floor and gives them added depth on the wings. They're front court is really thin and while Elson isn't anything special, he gives them big body insurance which is important considering Martin's and Nene's history of injuries.

Why for Utah:
They are obviously desperate to shed some cash and since it seems like Boozer isn't going to get traded right away, they trade Korver who has been actively shopped on this board for some extra leeway to help them out of the luxury tax.

Why for Milwaukee:
Between Bogut, Thomas, Amir and Gadzuric, Elson really isn't going to play for them. This gives them an extra roster spot to add a young guy or at least it sheds salary.

[Finger Roll]

Are we allowed to post our ideas on this board first to get feedback?

[dockingsched]

traditionally feedback is not given. once its up, its up. im not sure though, just saying how it usually goes. nothing stopping u from consulting others though.

[ws26]

A simple swap across the Bay...

LA Lakers
Outgoing: $2.22 mil TPE from Chris Mihm
Incoming: Acie Law

GS Warriors
Outgoing: Acie Law
Incoming: $2.2 mil TPE from Chris Mihm

Why it works:
Right now, LA is clearly one of the favorites for the championship. That being the case, they need to make sure they have insurance on their players. Fisher is getting way up there in age, and Farmar has been inconsistent in LA. Acie Law can pick up spot minutes for the Lakers and more into a bigger role if someone gets hurt. TO them, having that insurance is worth $2.2 mil.

For Golden State, Law is buried behind Ellis, Curry, Morrow, and Claxton when it comes to Gs. He was simply an afterthought to a bigger trade to rid the Warriors of Crawford. To them, getting that $2.2 mil back would be more important than Law, since saving money was much of the reason Crawford was dealt in the first place.

[Klomp]

traditionally feedback is not given. once its up, its up. im not sure though, just saying how it usually goes. nothing stopping u from consulting others though.

I think hes saying on the Trade board. Which I believe is a NO.

[ecuhus1981]

Are we allowed to post our ideas on this board first to get feedback?

traditionally feedback is not given. once its up, its up. im not sure though, just saying how it usually goes. nothing stopping u from consulting others though.

dcash4 is spot-on here. I want the channel of communication from participant to judge to be open, but once you post your idea, that's your idea. You can't post it (in this thread, or on the board), we give you feedback, and then you improve it. Here are two examples:

Ex #1
Participant: "Can a player who makes $7.9mil be traded for a $7.5mil TPE?
Judge: "Nope, the player's salary MUST be less than the TPE."
Participant: "Thanks, you're the greatest!"
Judge: "Oh, don't make me blush, it was nothing!"

Ex #2
Participant: "LeBron for ORL's TPE. Let me know if I need to change anything."
Judge: "Disqualified."

Does that make sense?

[Finger Roll]

Ex #1
Participant: "Can a player who makes $7.9mil be traded for a $7.5mil TPE?
Judge: "Nope, the player's salary MUST be less than the TPE."
Participant: "Thanks, you're the greatest!"
Judge: "Oh, don't make me blush, it was nothing!"

Ex #2
Participant: "LeBron for ORL's TPE. Let me know if I need to change anything."
Judge: "Disqualified."

Does that make sense?

And yes.

[Trader_Joe]

What about how realistic a trade is financially?

For example the Denver trade that RTM posted adds about 7 million in payroll to a Denver theam that is already in the tax. (72m in current salary)

I just can't pciture any team (other than NY) spending 14m in salary and tax on Kyle Korver and Elson.

[mikero]

MIA gets: Brandan Wright
MIA trades: 2.7 mil TPE, MIA 2010 1st rounder, Cash

GSW get: 2.7 mil TPE, MIA 2010 1st rounder, Cash
GSW trade: Brandan Wright

Reason for MIA: The Heat have had a very disappointing offseason to date. They had no draft pick, missed out on Odom, and lost Moon in free agency. Right now, the Heat have Joel Anthony and Jamaal Magloire as backup bigmen (not the ideal situation especially with JO's injury history). The Heat also have Toronto's 2010 first rounder (provided they make the playoffs), so they can afford to give away their own.

Reason for GSW: After the Belinelli trade last week, it appears Wright may also be on the trading block. The Warriors already have Biedrins, Randolph, and Turiaf eating up the majority of minutes at PF/C, and Wright may not get the chance to improve. The 2010 draft looks very deep and the MIA pick could be just outside the lottery (maybe even higher if Wade faces injuries).

[legacyinthemakin89c]

What about how realistic a trade is financially?

For example the Denver trade that RTM posted adds about 7 million in payroll to a Denver theam that is already in the tax. (72m in current salary)

I just can't pciture any team (other than NY) spending 14m in salary and tax on Kyle Korver and Elson.

Yeah but bottom line is, is that they were going to pay Kleiza that kind of money anyways, so the money side for the Nuggets shouldn't really be a factor. They were prepared to pay that money, so instead of letting it go to waste, they get two one year contracts, so not a long term commitment, and they get added depth. The Nuggets are in win now mode.

[sterncohen]

New Orleans out / New Jersey in:
Julian Wright $2.00M

New Jersey out / New Orleans in:
$2.00M TPE, using a part of NJ's larger TE
2010 NJ 2nd round pick

Why for New Orleans:
They're way over the luxury tax line and can't afford to stay there. They're overloaded on the wings with Peja, Posey, Peterson, Butler, and now Thornton, so Wright's prospects for minutes are very slim. And in any event Byron Scott is exactly the wrong coach for Wright (think about his history with J.R. Smith). So they save $4M (salary + tax) by moving him, and get back what's sure to be a very high second-round pick - meaning decent prospect, cheap, and easily tradeable if they can't afford any more salary at all next year.

Why for New Jersey:
Wright is a very talented guy, still only 22 years old, with a chance to flourish in the right system. The Nets are well under the tax, and they get to try him out for a couple of years at minimal cost.

[poopdamoop]

Simple but effective:

New York trades: $1.1M TE, protected 2010 2nd round pick
New York receives: Devin Brown

As of right now, New York has Chris Duhon, Larry Hughes, and Toney Douglas at the guard spots. There's no guarantee Sessions or Nate sign, and neither of those two provide length or defense anyway. New York pays a little over $2 million for a rental of a cheap backup shooting guard with playmaking ability and range. Brown can play a few minutes behind Hughes and Duhon as the 3rd guard and even some spot minutes at SF, or provide depth and insurance should Sessions or Nate sign, and he expires at the end of the season. Their 2nd rounder will be heavily protected, and they can easily buy back into that part of the draft.

New Orleans trades: Devin Brown,
New Orleans receives: $1.1M TE, protected 2010 2nd round pick

The Hornets save about 2.2 million counting luxury tax savings and pickup a future 2nd rounder to fill out the bench with cheap contracts, just for trading a bench player who wouldn't get many minutes with Peja, Wright, Posey, Peterson, Butler, and Thornton around.

[bigjabroni]

The Nuggets desire to get under the tax has been well publicized and this move can help them with that. The Suns have been somewhat in limbo this summer, shedding Shaq's contract but then handing out extensions to Nash and Hill, so they aren't in full blown rebuild mode. They let Matt Barnes walk in free agency and will give them a replacement.

Denver trades Renaldo Balkman (1 year/$2.1 million) for Phoenix TPE $2 million.

Balkman is an athletic, versatile small forward who can provide similar rebounding Barnes did. The problem is he can't shoot like Barnes can, but his athleticism beside Nash should help him get easy baskets. I don't know all the specifics behind a Ben Wallace buy-out and the insurance around it, so Phoenix may or may not be under the tax after this.

[revprodeji]

I will need to drop out. Sorry. I did not know we would be doing this so soon.

[sammydavis]

As far as I know Indy doesn't want to take on much salary in the Marquis trade with Boston even if the Celts do come up with some great sweetener. The Pacers are about 5M short of the tax according to Storytellercontracts so if they S&T Marquis for Scal+T.Allen (5.9M total) they will be dangerously close to the tax - from the wrong direction.
So in order to free up some cap space and a roster slot they could agree to this:

Travis Diener (1.74M) to ORL for 1.74M of Turkoglu TPE and a heavily protected future 2nd round pick.

But why would the Magic do this?
First off, Jameer is coming off a serious injury that warrants a somewhat more useful backup than A.Johnson, who I believe is on his absolute last legs, he's not a great shooter, not a great defender, 'just' a dressing room presence now. The incoming player should provide 3 crucial things for ORL:
- cheap contract due to ORL being above the tax (slightly above the vet min that e.g Lue would command is OK),
- short contract, the Magic already are very deep in the red for next season too,
- great shooting touch from 3pt land.
Diener fits all these AND also has the advantage that he's familiar with the Magic's system since he already played there. He also doesn't have to handle the rock as Carter is more than capable to help out in Hedo's role as a 'point SF'. Another point is that ORL would have about 5.1M of the Hedo TPE still intact if they'd need any more replacements during the season.
The pick would be like the one SAC got from BOS last year in the Cassell trade: ORL would probably never have to give it up.

Now Indy can get that sweetener from Boston in the Daniels S&T whatever it is. EDIT: And since they got Earl Watson this offseason they don't need Diener anyway.

[ClipperDomination]

The Denver Nuggets had a fantastic season this past year, surpassing expectations to go all the way to the Western Conference Finals. This team has a nice core with Billups and Melo providing the scoring punch, Nene, Birdman, and K-Mart providing the hustle, rebounding, and defense, and Smith and Afflalo providing nice role players. However, they have no backup for Melo. If you honestly think Ronaldo Balkman is a suitable small forward, nonetheless backup for Melo, I think you are clinically insane. With that said, I found a trade that would provide Melo with a suitable backup SF.

Denver Sends: Most of the $2.1 Million TPE
Denver Receives: Jarvis Hayes

New Jersey Sends: Jarvis Hayes
New Jersey Receives: Most of the $2.1 Million TPE

Why does Denver do this? Well, first and foremost, they get a backup who can actually play the three spot when Melo sits on the bench. Hayes has always been known to be a player who doesn't do anything great, but gets the job done for the time he's out there. It gives the Nuggets a nice 7 to 8 man rotation with:

PG: Billups/Lawson
SG: Smith/Afflalo
SF: Melo/Hayes
PF: K-Mart/Andersen
C: Nene/Andersen

And if the Hayes experiment does not work, it's not that big of a deal. He's only a one-year rental, and you go on being the same team that you were last season.

Why does New Jersey do this? The Nets really have no need for Hayes. They are undergoing a youth movement with players such as Harris, Lee, Douglas-Roberts, Lopez, and their first round pick in Terrence Williams (who I think will be a fabulous player in the NBA). According to 82games.com, Hayes is not even listed in the most used lineups per minute last season until the 8th lineup is listed. Simmons and Hassell are used much more at the SF spot than him, and with the acquisition of Courtney Lee, he won't see many more minutes at the SG spot either with the emergence of CDR and T-Will. They also save another $100K in this deal, and wait until the 09-10 offseason to become players in the market, being so far under the cap.

Go on and flame this trade.

[RTM]

What about how realistic a trade is financially?

For example the Denver trade that RTM posted adds about 7 million in payroll to a Denver theam that is already in the tax. (72m in current salary)

I just can't pciture any team (other than NY) spending 14m in salary and tax on Kyle Korver and Elson.

Don't accuse me, it's not my post. I've yet to make my trade.

[RTM]

Here's my trade:

LAC Sends: 5.2 Million TPE, heavily protected future 2nd Rounder
LAC Gets: Kyle Korver

The Clippers depth at the 2/3 is currently:

Gordon / Collins
Thornton / Davis

Exactly - dreadful. Korver gives them a huge boost off the bench, providing a great shooting touch and the ability to play alongside Gordon or Thornton. His ability to shoot the 3 would fit in nicely, as the Clippers lack knock down shooters outside of Gordon. He can play uptempo and in a half court setting, and can help the Clippers make a playoff push. Finally, he's an expiring contract, and won't interfere with any of the Clippers potential 2010 plans.

UTAH Sends: Kyle Korver
UTAH Gets: 5.2 Million TPE, heavily protected future 2nd Rounder

With the 2nd higher payroll in the league, there is no team that needs to slash payroll more than small-market Utah. Korver has some value as a role player, but since he's costing them over 10.3 million dollars after the lux tax, he's got to go. The progression of Ronnie Brewer and CJ Miles help to make Korver expendable.

[sammydavis]

UTAH Gets: 7.3 Million TPE

Sorry, I don't wanna mess things up but doesn't UTAH get only a 5.2M TPE (Korver's 09-10 salary) instead of 7.3M? LAC keeps the remaining amount...