Tom Moore 2.0

[tmoore]

Hey Tom, If you talk to him again, please let him know how a lot of fans feel right now about the inaction this summer and unwillingness to spend money or offer deals longer than 1 year. There are some fans that seem OK with it, but the majority seem to wonder why they should spend their hard earned money if the 76ers don't feel inclined to do some of that themselves.

I think he's getting the picture by talking to season ticket-holders.

[tk76]

After reading this: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... uukko.html it is very clear that Luukko, like Snider is only a hockey guy. No real interest in running the Sixers.

I'm pretty certain Luukko has taken away Stephanski's credit card after last year's spending spree.

[corwin]

Iguodala's contract is for an average of about 13 million per year. A perfect deal would have been 11-12 mil per year. But the difference certainly isn't something that could have any significant negative impact on the franchise.

SWR, let's hope you're right!. He makes more than all of the guys signed last year, i.e. Okafor, Smith, Biedrins, Deng, & Monta Ellis. You pay a guy too much & it's hard to move him. Okafor was able to be traded. I'm not sure it will be easy for any of these other guys.

[tmoore]

As I said before, Iguodala should've been given the $3.8 million qualifying offer to play last year. And that was before the economy went in the tank. Instead of a six-year, $80 million contract, Iguodala this summer would've been fortunate to wind up with the five-year, $57 mill he turned down from King in Oct. 2007. Would've saved the Sixers $2 mill per year.

[76erFixer]

prob right, but tk is correct also. igoudala isnt the guy who is killing our cap, its sam and brand, elton especially, who we needed to trade away a young athletic swingman, a dead eye shooter and a 1st round pick, just to make room to give him Even MORE money

[tk76]

Also, Roy just signed for 5yr/80 (nearly the max of 5/87). Iguodala's 1st 5 yrs he makes only 62M, but Iguodala's option 6th year is huge.

[sweetlou23]

As I said before, Iguodala should've been given the $3.8 million qualifying offer to play last year. And that was before the economy went in the tank. Instead of a six-year, $80 million contract, Iguodala this summer would've been fortunate to wind up with the five-year, $57 mill he turned down from King in Oct. 2007. Would've saved the Sixers $2 mill per year.

That's ridiculous and its not good business to treat players of his caliber that way. You guys kill me with all of this negativity. Nothing good to say about the new system or the new coach. Crying about not paying Miller (which would have been a big mistake and also would be something you guys would be crying about next year if it did happen).

[76ciology]

Actually, I found that good sports writers are more of an intelligent critics rather than puppets of sports teams.

And BTW, I agree with Tom Moore. And what's best with that move is that we could have gained financial flexibility for this off season.

[Ming]

I agree Ed shouldn't have overpaid Iguodala.
But asking him to take the QO is a bit too much. What would you guys say if Iguodala signs with another team(e.g. blazers) and we get nothing back?

[The Sixer Fixer]

As I said before, Iguodala should've been given the $3.8 million qualifying offer to play last year. And that was before the economy went in the tank. Instead of a six-year, $80 million contract, Iguodala this summer would've been fortunate to wind up with the five-year, $57 mill he turned down from King in Oct. 2007. Would've saved the Sixers $2 mill per year.

Tom, if they had given him the QO as the only option last year (and lets say Andre takes that..which is unlikely) don't you think a team, with significant cap room like Portland, Memphis, Toronto, or maybe even Oklahoma City, would have made a huge offer for him? Since Portland and Toronto went hard after Hedo, I'm sure they would have been interested in Iguodala too.

You would have run the risk of losing him for nothing since he would have been an UFA this year. Sure we could still offer him the most by adding the 6th year, but it's likely Andre would have been upset at the franchise and bolted for a nice young team like Portland.

[radrmd216]

I didn't really want the Sixers to sign brand because the young players the Sixers had were trying to establish themselves and develop while brand was/is looking to win now. If the Sixers kept their cap space and just marketed themselves as a young up and coming team I would have given Iggy the QO.

I think it would be very unlikely that Iggy would sign with the Blazers for about the $7 million in cap space they had this summer. I don't think think Iggy will ever be a to tier talent who you can build your team around, but I think he thinks that and would have signed with the Sixers so he could be their top player.

If Brand wasn't signed and Iggy signed the QO, the Sixers could have got Iggy at a cheaper price and wouldn't have Brand's huge contract. If Iggy did sign elsewhere this offseason the Sixers could have just played the young guys, use the cap space in a trade, get a lottery pick if no in seaon trade was made and try to sign a free agent in 2010. I think Iggy contract negotiations were a little influenced by the brand sining. Brand wanted Iggy signed and if Ed wanted to win now he couldn't leave the chance that could sign somewhere else this offseason. I would have rather the Sixers hit rock bottom and get a top lottery talent and slowely built a good young team.

[Mojo7]

As I said before, Iguodala should've been given the $3.8 million qualifying offer to play last year. And that was before the economy went in the tank. Instead of a six-year, $80 million contract, Iguodala this summer would've been fortunate to wind up with the five-year, $57 mill he turned down from King in Oct. 2007. Would've saved the Sixers $2 mill per year.

And if you did that, he probably ends up in Det or Portland for cheap, feeling somewhat disrespected. Your idea that he makes "star" money is completely shortsighted. And your negotiating ploy likely would've backfired.

[Mojo7]

I didn't really want the Sixers to sign brand because the young players the Sixers had were trying to establish themselves and develop while brand was/is looking to win now. If the Sixers kept their cap space and just marketed themselves as a young up and coming team I would have given Iggy the QO.

I think it would be very unlikely that Iggy would sign with the Blazers for about the $7 million in cap space they had this summer. I don't think think Iggy will ever be a to tier talent who you can build your team around, but I think he thinks that and would have signed with the Sixers so he could be their top player.

If Brand wasn't signed and Iggy signed the QO, the Sixers could have got Iggy at a cheaper price and wouldn't have Brand's huge contract. If Iggy did sign elsewhere this offseason the Sixers could have just played the young guys, use the cap space in a trade, get a lottery pick if no in seaon trade was made and try to sign a free agent in 2010. I think Iggy contract negotiations were a little influenced by the brand sining. Brand wanted Iggy signed and if Ed wanted to win now he couldn't leave the chance that could sign somewhere else this offseason. I would have rather the Sixers hit rock bottom and get a top lottery talent and slowely built a good young team.

Your theory is flawed. Dala did not sign for the Max. He signed for well short of that. You think Portland would not have moved more money to get a real shot at him(much like we did clearing more money for Brand by trading Carney et al). Blazers were desperate for another playmaker and defender next to Roy. Toronto would've love a chance for an 2004 Draft do-over, and they had the money. Dala would've been perfect and both would have made a HARD run at him. You people with your revisionist history are being rigidly shortsighted. If we did that, he would be gone and the outcry would've actually made front page news

[Mik317]

dudes Iggy isn't the problem. He made huge stride in the playoffs and will be an all-star next year.

[radrmd216]

Mojo7, I think Portland would have tried very hard to clear cap space for Iggy, but I'm not sure if Iggy would have signed. This is incredibly speculative, but I don't know if Portland would have offered him the amount of money he would be looking for this offseason if he was a free agent. Portland has to think about the cap in a few years when their high lottery picks starting making a lot of money.

Iggy seems to have the confidence and narcissism of a franchise player, but I think his ability is a notch below that. I think he would want to be the star of the team he plays for. Portland is the way better fit, but Detroit probably would have offered him the most money and he would be the star on that team.

If the Sixers lost Iggy they would be a lottery team. Assuming they didn't sign Brand they would have a high draft pick this past draft and cap space. I would hate to see Iggy leave for nothing, but if a top talent could have been drafted and a trade made with the cap space or a player signed it would lessen the blow. If Iggy left Thad would take over at SF and I think a talented SG could be acquired, but have a proven player like Iggy is a hard thing to get rid of.

I think eventually Iggy or Thad should and will be traded. I think they could play well together, but now maximaze their talents. I think Thad will have a very good year and hopefully he could be packed for a SG or packed along with someone like Speights to get a top pick and draft a center.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Nonsense, why trade a 20 year old SF averaging 15/5 and was a legitimate first-option type of threat in March?

Mojo is right, this revisionist crap if it were applied would set us back.

[corwin]

Nonsense, why trade a 20 year old SF averaging 15/5 and was a legitimate first-option type of threat in March?

Mojo is right, this revisionist crap if it were applied would set us back.

Agree about Young. The only reason I can ever see him being traded before Iguodala is because Iguodala's salary is too high. I can't think of any other Forum on RealGm where the fans are willing to trade their best young player.

[mega montana]

it'll be interesting to see how young and iggy co-exist on the court playing as a 2 and 3, respectively

we still have no 3 point threat in the starting lineup, a huge glaring hole that ed still has not realized

i'd be open to trading young due to his low salary

[83SixersRocked]

Your theory is flawed. Dala did not sign for the Max. He signed for well short of that. You think Portland would not have moved more money to get a real shot at him(much like we did clearing more money for Brand by trading Carney et al). Blazers were desperate for another playmaker and defender next to Roy. Toronto would've love a chance for an 2004 Draft do-over, and they had the money. Dala would've been perfect and both would have made a HARD run at him. You people with your revisionist history are being rigidly shortsighted. If we did that, he would be gone and the outcry would've actually made front page news

He didnt revise anything, he presented his view (and expressed it as his view) of it working either way... even allowing for Your view, which isn't revisionist either. Relax.

[SouthJersey]

Whats to say that hasnt been said already. How well did it work out in Chicago with Ben Gordon? I guess if you dont like Iguodala, then you dont think he deserved that money.