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Re: Powe wants a two-year contract with a player option 

Post#21 » by sully00 » Mon Aug 3, 2009 5:17 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:Sounds like he overplayed his hand in what he asked the Cs for.

Spending a roster slot on him and vet min for the year in lieu of a younger developmental player seemed like a good gamble -- especially with full Bird rights to facilitate agreeing on the next contract -- but he seems to be shooting for well more dough than that.


Well that may well be his thinking. That he isn't going to sever his bird rights in Boston just to collect the minimum for a year and be back out on his ass in a season. It may be more valuable not to sign anywhere at all or at take the minimum from Boston even at midseason and keep his bird rights.
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Post#22 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Aug 5, 2009 1:05 am

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Powe will get a team option as a best-case, though the figure on that team option may be for 2-3 million as a good-faith gesture on their part.

But Powe isn't going to get more than the minimum for this year considering he is likely to play less than 30 games total - playoff or regular season. The recovery time on his injury typically indicates a return back to top-form roughly 18 months after the injury - if he takes HGH he can fast-forward that projection of course - not sure what the NBA testing policy is, but I doubt they have one in place for HGH, which requires a blood sample.


How could he make the vet minimum this year and $2 million or more next year w/o falling afoul of the percentage raise limits under the CBA?
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Post#23 » by campybatman » Sat Aug 8, 2009 3:46 pm

Interesting. I've a feeling that if a team does sign him for next season, it'll be a one-year contract only. So tough luck Powe.



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Post#24 » by JMillott » Sat Aug 8, 2009 11:43 pm

I still would very much like to see Leon Powe back here in Boston. I think if its at all possible to recover from this newest knee injury that he'll do so as his work ethic is fantastic as is his attitude.

My concern would be that should he go to a team with greater need of him that his knee will not be able to hold up under an extended role. He has the ability and game to be a starter in this league and a quality one at that in my opinion but I don't think his knee will hold up playing more then 20 or so minutes a night.

Its a shame because I believe if not for the knee he'd be a 16/9 starting PF and a very efficent one at that. Has always reminded me a little of Larry Johnson before the back injury and without the perimeter half of LJ's game.
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Post#25 » by campybatman » Sun Aug 9, 2009 3:01 am

Well, one could say you could've the same concern with Walker's longterm durability. He has a history of tearing his ACL, he has done so twice. Apparently he has the surgical scar on one knee or on both knees to prove it.
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Post#26 » by JMillott » Sun Aug 9, 2009 6:12 pm

bonsaiflipflops wrote:Well, one could say you could've the same concern with Walker's longterm durability. He has a history of tearing his ACL, he has done so twice. Apparently he has the surgical scar on one knee or on both knees to prove it.



If not for those medical concerns for his knee he'd have been gone before the Celtics 1st round pick never mind being available in the second round for them to buy a pick for cash. This is largely how Ainge has been so successful with late draft picks as he grabs guys who can play but have red flags.

Gomes - Was too short to play PF in this league and considered too slow to play SF. At the 50th pick who cares about position you're just trying to turn any such pick into an asset.

Powe - Had the knee issues and was short for the PF position but the risk of spending a few hundered thousand was next to nothing.

Walker - Had knee issues and a questionable handle and shooting range but again the risk of spending a few hundered thousand was next to nothing.

Hudson - Too old and coming from a small college with a tweener game but again worth the risk of a late second round pick because the kid can at least play.

Davis - Considered too short and fat to translate to the pro game but again the risk involved with wasting a second rounder was next to nothing.

Its when Ainge has gone away from the red flag players and simply looked for players that slid in the draft without red flags that he has missed on his picks.
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Post#27 » by campybatman » Sun Aug 9, 2009 8:38 pm

I hope that Walker proves to be a better player than Gerald Green or Kedrick Brown for Boston or with another team. Ditto for Hudson. You try to think optimistically, you hope Hudson isn't another Orien Greene. Still, I believe Walker can be a draft bargain alike to Powe since both might have been first round selections if not for concerns over the health of their knees. Powe was making a name for himself in the league. He just got seriously injured and the timing was bad. I mean Powe was a player that you could see being with the team longterm, and not as a young player you're just developing and hoping he improves to trade in a few years like Davis.
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Post#28 » by SeizeCoup » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:36 am

Yeah, I am really bummed out that Powe will not be wearing green next season.

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Post#29 » by IEcelticfan » Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:47 am

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bonsaiflipflops wrote:Well, one could say you could've the same concern with Walker's longterm durability. He has a history of tearing his ACL, he has done so twice. Apparently he has the surgical scar on one knee or on both knees to prove it.



If not for those medical concerns for his knee he'd have been gone before the Celtics 1st round pick never mind being available in the second round for them to buy a pick for cash. This is largely how Ainge has been so successful with late draft picks as he grabs guys who can play but have red flags.

Gomes - Was too short to play PF in this league and considered too slow to play SF. At the 50th pick who cares about position you're just trying to turn any such pick into an asset.

Powe - Had the knee issues and was short for the PF position but the risk of spending a few hundered thousand was next to nothing.

Walker - Had knee issues and a questionable handle and shooting range but again the risk of spending a few hundered thousand was next to nothing.

Hudson - Too old and coming from a small college with a tweener game but again worth the risk of a late second round pick because the kid can at least play.

Davis - Considered too short and fat to translate to the pro game but again the risk involved with wasting a second rounder was next to nothing.

Its when Ainge has gone away from the red flag players and simply looked for players that slid in the draft without red flags that he has missed on his picks.


i do hope we keep billy and he eventually develops his game and ends up in the 10-player rotation in the next 2yrs. i hope noone else touches leon and he rehabs quick and under the radar from other teams and is willing to sign on a pro-rated contract after new yr's to help us in the playoffs.

if danny has a pretty decent track record with 2nd rounders with "red flags" why didn't he pony up and trade up, say early 2nd rd and go after Blair? i lvoe his game and his bruiser-style and i think would benefit our team under kg's and clifford ray's tutelage
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Post#30 » by campybatman » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:09 am

I don't think Blair could play with Rondo since he reads to be more suited in a half court offense like a Zach Randolph. Like Davis, concerns arose from questions regarding his conditioning and lack of height. However, unlike Davis, Blair possesses a long wingspan. Then there's the report which came out that his knees were tested by physicians and diagnosed as not being in the best of shape. He'd torn both ACLs while in high school. That's not good to hear if you're a player who has weight issues on top of that.
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Post#31 » by threrf23 » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:36 pm

I'm not sold on Blair.

People seem to view him as the next Paul Millsap. But while Blair was a great rebounder last season, Millsap was historically good when he played ball - the best rebounder in the nation for three straight seasons (despite being relatively young for his class).

Millsap was also an inch or two taller, posted better shot blocking stats (so did Charles Barkley his freshman year, and so did Big Baby), and there were no real concerns regarding his conditioning nor his character entering the NBA. He maintained the same averages despite playing more minutes without a real solid PG. He was known as a good leaper, whereas a knock on Blair is his lack of leaping ability (per NBAdraft.net). Millsap was known for his mobility, Blair known as not necessarily mobile enough to run in the NBA. Then, there are the questions regarding his knee.

Also, Big Baby was ranked higher out of high school, was a better shooter (FT%) than Blair, a higher scorer, posted more assists, and got to the FT line much more often. Even Brandon Hunter, although against lesser competition, got to the line noticeably more often at the same age.

Ultimately, I just assume that NBA front offices can't be that clueless so as to pass up on such an obvious steal...in fact I'm not even sold that he was worthy of being picked as high as he was picked.
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Post#32 » by campybatman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:42 am

This sounds like miscommunication between two sides to me, or there's holes in Powe's argument. Because Powe, be it a contract for one or two years with a player's option, was looking out for number one. In both instances, he desired to set himself up so that he can hit free agency after next season. I think Ainge knew this, and decided to look at his other options. In my opinion, Powe's attitude on this is unfortunate and ironic. It was unfortunate since he probably could've been back with the Celtics but won't be. And it's ironic that he signed for a two-year deal that indeed has an option but one that's the team's option.

I still like Powe but the stance he took on this I believe was wrong. Especially, if he's or his agent is coming out and saying that his preference was to remain with Boston. Sometimes, I don't think it's always the front office of the former team's fault, it can be that player's fault too. Powe was too concern with looking ahead to a more lucrative contract after next season. I want to believe Powe, but sometimes you can't always blame Ainge in some cases. It's easy to point the finger in his direction if you believe he's an insincere general manager or what have you.



There was unmitigated relief after Cleveland doctors satisfied Powe’s greatest hope - that the power forward’s surgically repaired left knee is healing ahead of schedule. There was the thrill of signing on for two years to play next to his former AAU teammate, LeBron James.

But there was also a lag a day after signing his new contract. The newest Cavalier remains stung by the fact that he’s no longer a Celtic, that Powe’s old team didn’t have enough faith in his work ethic to wait.

Instead, they went out and signed Shelden Williams, a power forward with a journeyman’s track record.

“I knew they were done with me then,” Powe said today from his home in Oakland. “But I’m not mad at nobody. I’m just going to do as always - play as hard as I can. I guess they just felt that they needed someone available for the full year.”



Though his chances of re-signing with the Celtics were slim from the moment the team didn’t extend him a qualifying offer on June 30, Powe still tried to plead his case with Celtics co-owner Steve Pagliuca.

“I talked to him for 45 minutes,” said Powe. “But he said they weren’t going to do nothing. It was quite a shock to me, but he said they didn’t have the extra money to sign me, and (Pagliuca) said that he would have to pay out of his own pocket for them to wait on me.

“I understood what he was saying, because it was the same thing I heard from Danny. I told Danny that I would take the one-year deal. But that was it. After (talking to Pagliuca), I didn’t call them no more.”



Ainge said today that there was considerable discussion within the front office about whether to make Powe a qualifying offer. The executive director of basketball operations also said that he raised the possibility of signing Powe to a veteran’s minimum two-year contract with a team option in the second year - the very deal Powe just signed with Cleveland - but that the forward rejected the idea.

The Celtics, in turn, weren’t interested in bringing back Powe for one year.


“Unfortunately, the way things turned out, Leon took it to mean that we didn’t want him back, and that wasn’t necessarily the case,” said Ainge. “Though we didn’t extend him the qualifying offer, we did talk to him about coming back. I told Leon from the beginning that what happened is what I thought would happen - that he’d get a two-year contract with a team option.


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Post#33 » by BillessuR6 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:30 am

I think the truth is somewhere in between...

Still, I don`t like Powe`s attitude in all this...
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Post#34 » by PPAW4Life » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:00 am

The truth is that Danny has no emotional ties with any player.

If KG or Ray or even Rondo ever get to a point in their careers where they can't help us win, then each of them are gone.

Even Paul was traded a number of times by Danny, but nixed by ownership.
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Post#35 » by sully00 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:32 pm

thebirdman wrote:I think the truth is somewhere in between...

Still, I don`t like Powe`s attitude in all this...



I think the truth is pretty plain to see. Leon wanted to be back in Boston for his QO, and failing that would take a one year deal at the minimum so he could keep his Bird rights. Already likely feeling jammed up by the 3rd year on his rookie deal didn't want to give them a 5th year at the minimum at their option. It was all he ended up getting but at least he got it from someone that couldn't really do anymore for him.
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Post#36 » by campybatman » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:13 am

And, of course, the national media is running with this story. The story line next season when Cleveland and Boston meet will be about the team that jilted a former player, or one player's revenge against his former team. In reality, this is a no-story, business is business. Powe and his agent understand that.

Cleveland signed Powe with the idea that his experience with Boston could help them during the playoffs.

I think Powe might be ready for the March match-up between the two teams. That's when he'll probably face Boston.


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