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[YouthMovement]

Youk had 29/115, 168 hits, and he hit 312. Pedroia had 17 hrs, 83 rbi, 118 runs scored, 54 doubles, 20 steals in 21 attempts, a .326 average, a .380 obp, and an 870 ops. If anything Morneau was the runner up, but Pedroia was clearly the MVP.

Forget runners in scoring position (where Pedroia bats 347 to Cano's .206) but just with runners simply on base, Pedroia bats .324 to Cano's .259. Cano is batting .355 with 82 of his 135 hits with no runners on base, proving that the large majority of his rbi come in meaningless situations, when he has continuously come up short with runners in scoring position. Also 8 of his homers have come batting 5th, after Teix and A-Rod.

And this "hot streak" Pedroia went on lasted for three months. He batted .356 in June, .350 in July, and .374 in August. And then .326 in September. If you're not mesmerized by that, you're just dumb.

[j4remi]

once again this board attracts the most (Please Use More Appropriate Word) fans on the internet. youthmovement you need a better understanding of baseball and statistics. do you research on http://www.fangraphs.com

I'm (Please Use More Appropriate Word) because I think that the reigning AL MVP is better than a guy who is hitting 200 with runners in scoring position?

It's a lot easier with batting second in a line-up with RISP than 7th. Robby bats in front of Molina, Melky and Gardner at times...Remember how bad Tex looked without proper protection? I'd love to see what he'd do in Damon's position in the line-up this year.

[Knicksfan20]

once again this board attracts the most (Please Use More Appropriate Word) fans on the internet. youthmovement you need a better understanding of baseball and statistics. do you research on http://www.fangraphs.com

I'm (Please Use More Appropriate Word) because I think that the reigning AL MVP is better than a guy who is hitting 200 with runners in scoring position?

It's a lot easier with batting second in a line-up with RISP than 7th. Robby bats in front of Molina, Melky and Gardner at times...Remember how bad Tex looked without proper protection? I'd love to see what he'd do in Damon's position in the line-up this year.

excellent point, i was jsut about to bring this up.


Pedroia had Manny/Ortiz/Youk batting behind him...3 very good hitters, they cant pitch around him, unlike cano, who has trash batting behind him. Only knock on cano is that he doesnt walk often, if he did he should be batting second in the lineup

[thefuriousfive]

Youk had 29/115, 168 hits, and he hit 312. Pedroia had 17 hrs, 83 rbi, 118 runs scored, 54 doubles, 20 steals in 21 attempts, a .326 average, a .380 obp, and an 870 ops. If anything Morneau was the runner up, but Pedroia was clearly the MVP.

Forget runners in scoring position (where Pedroia bats 347 to Cano's .206) but just with runners simply on base, Pedroia bats .324 to Cano's .259. Cano is batting .355 with 82 of his 135 hits with no runners on base, proving that the large majority of his rbi come in meaningless situations, when he has continuously come up short with runners in scoring position. Also 8 of his homers have come batting 5th, after Teix and A-Rod.

And this "hot streak" Pedroia went on lasted for three months. He batted .356 in June, .350 in July, and .374 in August. And then .326 in September. If you're not mesmerized by that, you're just dumb.

actually, nowhere did i state that cano was better than pedroia. that was not my point. my points is that you are using stats like number of hits as a legitimate was to evaluate players. also, BA with risp is a fluke stat, meaning it is an unreliable predictor of future performance. cano will hit better with RISP, period. but that's besides the point. i just wanted to post here to tell you that you suck as a baseball fan.

[jeff1624]

I like how Youthmovement uses selected stats to argue which player is better or not.

With Brandon Phillips and Aaron hill he uses "pace stats" yet with Pedroia he doesn't hmmm wonder why... Maybe it's because he's paced for 12 HR 72 RBI and an 814 OPS.

With Cano he uses last years stats, yet with Brandon Phillips and Aaron hill he doesn't, let see why:

Brandon Phillips: 21 HR's 78 RBI, .312 OBP .754 OPS

Aaron Hill: 2 HR's 20 RBI, .685 OPS

You say Cano sucks because he hit .271 last year, well.. Brandon Phillips hit .261 and is only hitting .269 this year. Aaron Hill hit .263.

For their careers:

BA and Total AB
Cano: .304 .....2654
Phillips: .263 ...2556
Hill: .286 ......2188
Pedroia: .310 ......1691

Cano is a Top 5 2nd baseman, don't argue otherwise..

[patrickchewing]

and look at the game cano is having right now

[GotItNow]

yeah i understand how waivers work. i just think this shows the yankees would be willing to move cano and that surprises me. i mean im sure it would take a very good player for us to make a move and the stars would have to align, but non the less it caught me off gaurd.

Cano's average is .259 w/RISP. and .282 w/runners on vs. .325 otherwise. OPS is .694, .741 vs. .874.

Perhaps the Yankees have had enough. Mental problems w/runners on? yeah, I think so.

[nykgeneralmanager]

Even Pedroia's "MVP" season was barely up to par with 3 of Cano's 5 full seasons. Unbelievable how much credit and love a guy can get just because he is a few inches shorter than the average player.

Pedroia's "MVP" season was 17 hrs, 83 rbi 52 ks to 50 walks, a .326 batting average, 20 sb, 118 runs, and 213 hits. Do you watch baseball? If you compile the best stats in each category THROUGH HIS CAREER it doesn't equal that. Cano's most hits is 189 and hrs is 19. His highest averaged was 342, in 2006 (his second year) before major league pitchers got used to him. Most steals he's had is 5 and runs scored is 93. You keep comparing years like just because Cano's having a better year he's better. Pablo Sandoval is better than Manny Ramirez? Also, feeding me all these obscure stats are useless because Phillips simply produces more runs than Cano. Phillips has the same amount of hrs in 7 less games. He has 13 more rbi in 7 less games. He steals more bases, and he plays better defense. He is clearly better. Cano also has 23 walks this year, which is a joke. And I'll give you a stat. .259 with runners on base and .206 with runners in scoring position...Pedroia is hitting .324 with runners on and .347 with runners in scoring position.

Nah you're right, I don't watch baseball. I just have it in my sig, avatar, and talk about it online all day for fun. I have a question though, do you understand baseball statistics?

Robinson Cano:
2006 OPS+: 126
2007 OPS+: 120
2009 OPS+: 120

Dustin Pedroia's "legendary MVP season" OPS+: 122

So Cano has had 1 season better, and two other seasons just as good. But hey, Cano is just a lazy loser and Pedroia is so tough, gritty, tiny and cute and cuddly.

EDIT:
And I personally hate RISP stats because I'm not a strong believer in such numbers, but since other people are I'll point this out.

Cano:
2006: .306 with RISP, .315 with runners on
2007: .290 with RISP, .315 with runners on
2008: .263 with RISP, .248 with runners on, down year altogether
2009: .257 with RISP, .205 with runners on

Pedroia:
2006: .115 with RISP, .108 with runners on, very small sample size though
2007: .263 with RISP, .318 with runners on
2008: .307 with RISP, .310 with runners on
2009: .347 with RISP, .320 with runners on

So yeah, Pedroia doesn't exactly have this track record of putting up Derek Jeter type numbers with RISP contrary to what ESPN will make you believe.

[HCYanks]

Pedroia's 2008 didn't exactly set the league on fire, but it wasn't as unjustifiable an MVP pick as some of you guys make it out to be. .326/.376/.493 with good defense at second base and (roughly) a full season of play was good enough for consideration in a year where the top-level offensive performances in the AL were pretty weak. Kinsler would have had a great case on similar grounds had he not gotten hurt at the end of the year. Then there were a lot of guys like Youkilis and Carlos Quentin who were having very good but not astounding years. The value of Pedroia at second arguably made up the ground for his lesser offensive production. VORP, which takes position into account, had Lil Scrappy 2nd in the AL among position players. Really, if there were any season to be giving a pitcher the MVP, it was probably last year. Or, you know, consider the guy who was first in VORP last year, this man. But since he wasn't hitting 50 dingers or providing 2 game winning hits a week last year, then he was OBVIOUSLY an unclutch loser again. So says the savior Mike Lupica.

As for the second baseman debate, I agree with the notion that Utley is in front of everyone else, then there's a big secondary pack of guys like Cano, Pedroia, Kinsler, and the like whose production will vary from year to year. Given Robbie's streakiness as a hitter and his refusal to take walks for more than brief periods of time, it's sort of hard to say how he's going to be from here on out compared to the rest of those guys.