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Who will replace Rambis 

Post#1 » by laduane1 » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:06 am

Will the Lakers bring someone from the out side to rep;ace Kurt or will they promote from the inside. Will they carry the same number of assistance coaches as they did last year?
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Post#2 » by tkb » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:40 am

Really hope we try to get Pippen back as a defensive coach. Liked him the one summer we had him on the staff, and think he'd do a great job coaching defense.

Last time we tried to hire him, he declined because his wife was just about to give birth. Hopefully he's interested in coaching again this time.
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#3 » by Dr Aki » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:16 am

before rambis had defensive co-ordinating duties, he was one of 3 assistants who would specifically scout 9 or 10 of the other 29 teams

other 2 being frank hamblen and brian shaw

once rambis had defensive co-ordinating duties though, his assignments went down to 2 teams (boston and spurs, IIRC), and a fourth assistant coach picked up the slack with 9 teams [ie. (3 x 9) + (1 x 2) = 29]

im guessing having jim cleamons kinda solves that dilemma, as shaw and hamblen just picks up rambis's 2 teams...

then again, im not totally sure but thats the jist of it
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#4 » by daddyfivestar » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:13 am

I don't think anyone is replacing Rambis.

Last week, Ireland was explaining how there is a limit of official coaches per game, and since the Lakers carry one extra assistant, kind of like players, they rotated them in depending on the game. Someone was not 'official', usually sat off to the side or behind.

With the amount of $$ being shelled out for the upcoming season, plus the consulting money going to KAJ and Hodges as needed plus I'm sure Tex still gets something in his role as 'consultant', but I can see the Buss' not doing any replacing. That's another several hundred K.

Probably just roll with Hamblen, Cleamons, Shaw.
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#5 » by Dexmor » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:31 pm

tkb wrote:Really hope we try to get Pippen back as a defensive coach. Liked him the one summer we had him on the staff, and think he'd do a great job coaching defense.

Last time we tried to hire him, he declined because his wife was just about to give birth. Hopefully he's interested in coaching again this time.



I like him as a defensive coach to although our sf/sg combo can't really get better defensively but he can work with Farmar and maybe Odom.
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#6 » by Mamba Venom » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:51 pm

Somebody will get a shot

Even if it is just scouting the Clippers

The Lakers like to keep reserves on deck

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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#7 » by tkb » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:54 pm

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tkb wrote:Really hope we try to get Pippen back as a defensive coach. Liked him the one summer we had him on the staff, and think he'd do a great job coaching defense.

Last time we tried to hire him, he declined because his wife was just about to give birth. Hopefully he's interested in coaching again this time.



I like him as a defensive coach to although our sf/sg combo can't really get better defensively but he can work with Farmar and maybe Odom.


He can still work with both Kobe and Artest, and everyone else defensively. They can both get even better. Kobe said Pippen helped him a lot with defense when he was first here, and it's not that long ago.
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#8 » by Dexmor » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:39 pm

tkb wrote:
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tkb wrote:Really hope we try to get Pippen back as a defensive coach. Liked him the one summer we had him on the staff, and think he'd do a great job coaching defense.

Last time we tried to hire him, he declined because his wife was just about to give birth. Hopefully he's interested in coaching again this time.



I like him as a defensive coach to although our sf/sg combo can't really get better defensively but he can work with Farmar and maybe Odom.


He can still work with both Kobe and Artest, and everyone else defensively. They can both get even better. Kobe said Pippen helped him a lot with defense when he was first here, and it's not that long ago.



I know Pippen is the man. When Deng was a rookie they were worried his first year he wouldnt play much because he wouldnt be able to guard anybody and couldn't play the 3 well because he couldnt dribble. By the time the season started he was a different player.

Pippen would make a great addidition. Who knows maybe he is the smart tough guy to take over as coach to. Does anybody know how he gets along with Artest? We know Kobe likes him.
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#9 » by Danny Darko » Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:35 pm

daddyfivestar wrote:I don't think anyone is replacing Rambis.

Last week, Ireland was explaining how there is a limit of official coaches per game, and since the Lakers carry one extra assistant, kind of like players, they rotated them in depending on the game. Someone was not 'official', usually sat off to the side or behind.

With the amount of $$ being shelled out for the upcoming season, plus the consulting money going to KAJ and Hodges as needed plus I'm sure Tex still gets something in his role as 'consultant', but I can see the Buss' not doing any replacing. That's another several hundred K.

Probably just roll with Hamblen, Cleamons, Shaw.


+1

The Lakers will not replace him... we were carrying an extra coach as it was.
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#10 » by Dexmor » Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:40 pm

Well I was kind of thinking who replaces him as Phil's protege. To me Brian Shaw just doesn't carry the respect enough for the job. He is not a legend like Pippen or tough like Rambis. I don't know how smart he is.
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#11 » by DEEP3CL » Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:03 pm

Dexmor wrote:Well I was kind of thinking who replaces him as Phil's protege. To me Brian Shaw just doesn't carry the respect enough for the job. He is not a legend like Pippen or tough like Rambis. I don't know how smart he is.
Your comment about Shaw shows me you must not have paid attention to his career or know anything about him. Shaw is rising through the ranks as one of the most respected assistants in the league. It's not all about having a glorified career to justify being a good coach. If you knew ball like I know you'd know that most of the coaches in this league have been guards, they tend to make better coaches.

Ask Kobe how much respect he has for Shaw ?
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#12 » by Viol8tor Mode » Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:24 pm

Brings up the question of the health condition of Tex Winter, and if he will ever be joining the team once again. Anyone know?
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#13 » by Dexmor » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:17 pm

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Dexmor wrote:Well I was kind of thinking who replaces him as Phil's protege. To me Brian Shaw just doesn't carry the respect enough for the job. He is not a legend like Pippen or tough like Rambis. I don't know how smart he is.
Your comment about Shaw shows me you must not have paid attention to his career or know anything about him. Shaw is rising through the ranks as one of the most respected assistants in the league. It's not all about having a glorified career to justify being a good coach. If you knew ball like I know you'd know that most of the coaches in this league have been guards, they tend to make better coaches.

Ask Kobe how much respect he has for Shaw ?




Respect. Maybe I should have used a different word. I think to come in and coach a team like these lakers that are the deepest team in the league and have had Phil the best ever you almost have to be a legend yourself for them to listen. Do you really think they are gonna start with a first time coach in Brian Shaw? Now Bryon Scott is a well expierenced established respected coach. Shaw would be a rookie coaching a championship team with maybe the strongest personality in the league. It's easy to like and respect the assistant coach when he is the assistant but what happens when they disagree? Is Kobe gonna submit if you will to Shaw? IF for example coach K says something you know the players will do it even if they don't agree. Does Shaw have that presence I don't know. Will Kobe submit to him if they disagree? Maybe he will, I don't know. I do know Rambis was sopposed to be the guy or at least according to some so Shaw isn't so great to the point were they wouldn't try and bring in other people first.

ANd isn't telling somebody "you must not watch" a little old? Anybody who is here in the offseason when there are no games on with no action yet spends hours talking about basketball clearly watches and pays attention. Do we always have to look for any chance to try and take somebody down by accusing them of not watching? Come on. Just talk with the b.s. it's so old already.

As I was saying now if they got a legend like Pippen I can see them listening or a very well established coach like a Scott or a Pat Riley yeah.

I also do know guards are the best coaches which is why I liked Jackson for the Wolves job. I know Wilkens,Collins, Rivers, Scott, and soooooo many others were guards.
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#14 » by Danny Darko » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:20 pm

Well duh... who will replace Phil is a different Question all together.

The stars have aligned and Zoltan says: Byron Scott

Of our current staff: Shaw is plenty respected to play... he's one of Kobe's favorite coaches already.
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Post#15 » by Dexmor » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:21 pm

Oh and before you ask in with a snide attitude i know Shaw comes from a program that produced coaches and was a player/coach when he played.

i just think you need a really big personality for the Lakers just because there the lakers and throw in the Kobe/Artest super talent championship aspect? He is gonna have to motivate these guys if they become complacent which they will and always do. Is he imposing enough (trying to not use the word respect)
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#16 » by CowsMoo » Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:52 pm

Viol8tor Mode wrote:Brings up the question of the health condition of Tex Winter, and if he will ever be joining the team once again. Anyone know?


Tex is generally only around for home games. I don't know the state of his health.


Shaw is probably a good start, and idea, but he's unproven. I doubt he does bad though.

When you really think about it, there's only 1 other coach that comes close to the tier of Phil, which makes everyone else seem like a steep downgrade.
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#17 » by Dexmor » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:55 pm

Danny Darko wrote:Well duh... who will replace Phil is a different Question all together.

The stars have aligned and Zoltan says: Byron Scott

Of our current staff: Shaw is plenty respected to play... he's one of Kobe's favorite coaches already.



I agree with you. It's kind of like Lebron and NY.
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#18 » by DEEP3CL » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:54 pm

Dexmor wrote:Respect. Maybe I should have used a different word. I think to come in and coach a team like these lakers that are the deepest team in the league and have had Phil the best ever you almost have to be a legend yourself for them to listen. Do you really think they are gonna start with a first time coach in Brian Shaw? Now Bryon Scott is a well expierenced established respected coach. Shaw would be a rookie coaching a championship team with maybe the strongest personality in the league. It's easy to like and respect the assistant coach when he is the assistant but what happens when they disagree? Is Kobe gonna submit if you will to Shaw? IF for example coach K says something you know the players will do it even if they don't agree. Does Shaw have that presence I don't know. Will Kobe submit to him if they disagree? Maybe he will, I don't know. I do know Rambis was sopposed to be the guy or at least according to some so Shaw isn't so great to the point were they wouldn't try and bring in other people first.

ANd isn't telling somebody "you must not watch" a little old? Anybody who is here in the offseason when there are no games on with no action yet spends hours talking about basketball clearly watches and pays attention. Do we always have to look for any chance to try and take somebody down by accusing them of not watching? Come on. Just talk with the b.s. it's so old already.

As I was saying now if they got a legend like Pippen I can see them listening or a very well established coach like a Scott or a Pat Riley yeah.

I also do know guards are the best coaches which is why I liked Jackson for the Wolves job. I know Wilkens,Collins, Rivers, Scott, and soooooo many others were guards.
OK Dex you post 1000 times a day and most times it's just babble mumbo jumbo. Seriously the point of your argument is weak, to say " you almost have to be a legend yourself for them to listen.", do you realize how elementary that sounds. Do you realize how many coaches get hired with minimal experience ? When Pat Riley took over the Lakers in 1981-82, do you realize he wasn't no where near the coach he ended up being ?

He wasn't a legend what so ever, how do you even bring your mind to think such a tag is required to be a coach ? This is why I question when guys like you make an opinion on something when it's clear as day and night you don't have a clear sense of history of the game. It has nothing to do with age or how long you've been watching. It's about researching the history of the game, which is what I done and it's from what I've seen during my time of watching this game. You wanna talk about somebody's act that is old..........man look in the mirror.

Byron Scott the very man you mention in this post was hired as a coach after spending less time as an assistant as Shaw has. Did that derail Scott from becoming a good coach........NO. And it's a difference between "watching the game" and knowing what's going on while watching, cause you can watch the game and not know a damn thing that's going on believe me buddy it's many that fit the mode.

Bottom line is your theory holds no wait, you don't have to be a legend to be a good coach. So you can ball that up in throw it in the trash, cause no such theory exist.
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#19 » by laduane1 » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:09 am

Brian Shaw. Can he coach players that he played with. Will those players take him series.
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Re: Who will replace Rambis 

Post#20 » by DEEP3CL » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:01 am

laduane1 wrote:Brian Shaw. Can he coach players that he played with. Will those players take him series.
The only 2 guys he's played with is Kobe and Fish, that's it. It's been a lot of coaches who have played with guys then end up coaching them, it's no big deal. Nate McMillan coached Gary Payton for a couple of years and they played together for like 8 or 9 seasons.
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