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Options at PG 

Post#1 » by celtics_kg5 » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:00 pm

I think we can't afford the signing of C.J. Watson,he's looking for a good payday but still there are very good fits...Anthony Carter,Flip Murray,Bobby Jackson...Anthony Carter is near re-signing with the Nuggets (nothing official but...) and maybe Bobby Jackson is very similar to Eddie,but Flip is a player that I personaly like and isn't looking for a big contract...
Well,I think Marbury would be the ideal pick,but it doesn't work,we need some options...I don't know the situation of J-Will but he can't play D...Jacque Vaughn is available,he can't shoot the 3 but is decent with his mid range and great D,and if we want shoot I don't think that we can found something better than Damon Jones,very close to Eddie but has no problem with carry the ball and the team,he played Heat the year before the championship year,and he did it good I think.
All them could fill very well our backup PG needs,in different ways so what do you think guys?
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Post#2 » by Rocky5000 » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:38 pm

Flip is the only guy that would work with Eddie. We can only offer the minimum, would he take that? The rest are all too small to guard opposing 2 guards, which is what we need out of a backup pg. It seems Danny is serious about using Daniels as a playmaker to put beside Eddie. Who you consider the pg in that system is open to interpretation I guess.

Eddie did his best in Phoenix playing besides Barbosa. He was technically Nash's backup, but didn't do any playmaking.
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Post#3 » by underneathtoDJ » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:48 pm

I think Danny will go with what we have for the first half of the season. I really don't like the PG's currently available and while I could see us picking up Tyron Lue for the min because of his KG connection, I hope we use the 1st half to evaluate what we have.

I think we'll see Daniels as the primary guy bringing the ball up court for the second unit, with Eddie helping out against teams who don't press him. The team may also want to see what they have in Lester Hudson. If those options don't work out, I think the team would look to pick up a vet who gets bought out or look to move some of our expiring contracts (TA, Scal, plus a young guy like Giddens) for an experienced backup point on a team looking to save a few bucks.
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Post#4 » by darrendaye » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:52 pm

I think it will come down to Hudson v. Lue. DA has put some focus on depth and injury contingencies this offseason. But should something happen to House and Ray Allen, Rivers is going to want another 3pt threat to close out games. It would be balsy to go with Hudson. Lue can run the point and he can bury the three.

Personally, I'd prefer Marbury because should Pierce or Allen go down with injury, it gives the Celts a legit scoring threat to carry some of the offensive load. Marbury would need to accept fewer minutes and not playing in crunchtime.
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Post#5 » by Dave_From_NB » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:02 pm

darrendaye wrote:Personally, I'd prefer Marbury because should Pierce or Allen go down with injury, it gives the Celts a legit scoring threat to carry some of the offensive load. Marbury would need to accept fewer minutes and not playing in crunchtime.


I'm not sure where the idea comes from that Marbury is weighing options for playing. Personally I don't believe he has any offers, and will take vet minimum for any role whatsoever. I also don't think there is any need to rush to sign him, he's going to be available whenever the Celtics might need him.
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Post#6 » by sully00 » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:18 pm

How does Flip Murray work with Eddie House? Neither of them are pgs and Murray is terrible defensively.

Outside of a trade Boston's roster is kind of loaded at the moment, so I don't know how they really feel about Lester Hudson but I think we have to assume that they like him better than Pruitt at this point, so if they like him at all then we are only going to have camp invite type guys to compete with him.

The primary issue for Boston is to have another player pg sized player with the ability to defend the position against the really quick guys that are going to put fouls on Rondo and House. Based on what draftexpress had to say about him I think Lester is our guy.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lester-Hudson-5065/

He can handle, shoot and defend it seems like he will have to screw it up for it not to be him.
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Post#7 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:35 pm

IMO Marbury has the higher potential than Murray, Lue, Carter, Jackson etc. If the Celtics could get him for the minimum I would still do it. Jason Williams would be a decent choice also but I like Marbury because he can guard the shooting guard when paired with Eddie House. None of the other PG options can do that IMO.

Hudson is what he is which is 15th man and D-League participant.
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Post#8 » by return2glory » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:39 pm

Lester Hudson. Give him a chance. He can score, rebound, and defend.
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Post#9 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:43 pm

return2glory wrote:Lester Hudson. Give him a chance. He can score, rebound, and defend.


You know this is unrealistic. The Celtics are not going to have the 58th pick in the NBA draft be a backup PG on a championship contending team.

The best Hudson can hope for is being the 15th man and playing in the D-League.


Ainge didn't give him much of a ringing endorsement yesterday:

Second-round draft pick Lester Hudson could fill the final spot on the roster, though Ainge is in no rush to make that decision.

“We still have to . . . really decide what we’re going to do with that third point guard position, which I’m not feeling great urgency because I think that both Eddie (House) and Marquis can play there,” Ainge said.
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Post#10 » by sully00 » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:49 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:IMO Marbury has the higher potential than Murray, Lue, Carter, Jackson etc. If the Celtics could get him for the minimum I would still do it. Jason Williams would be a decent choice also but I like Marbury because he can guard the shooting guard when paired with Eddie House. None of the other PG options can do that IMO.

Hudson is what he is which is 15th man and D-League participant.


Your entitled to your opinion. But Marbury was terrible on this team and the rest of that list isn't very good either. Since the season has ended Marbury turned down Boston's contract offer and went crazy on the internet. The dude has a shelf life and I think his is over.

Hudson may not be good enough, time will tell, but this isn't a developmental player. He is 24 years old and a 4 year college player. This team isn't looking for a primary backup, this is a 3rd pg we are talking about, you decide who the pg is but House and Daniels is the backup backcourt. We are talking about the 12th man anyhow is it all that different than the 15th?
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Post#11 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:55 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:IMO Marbury has the higher potential than Murray, Lue, Carter, Jackson etc. If the Celtics could get him for the minimum I would still do it. Jason Williams would be a decent choice also but I like Marbury because he can guard the shooting guard when paired with Eddie House. None of the other PG options can do that IMO.

Hudson is what he is which is 15th man and D-League participant.


Your entitled to your opinion. But Marbury was terrible on this team and the rest of that list isn't very good either. Since the season has ended Marbury turned down Boston's contract offer and went crazy on the internet. The dude has a shelf life and I think his is over.

Hudson may not be good enough, time will tell, but this isn't a developmental player. He is 24 years old and a 4 year college player. This team isn't looking for a primary backup, this is a 3rd pg we are talking about, you decide who the pg is but House and Daniels is the backup backcourt. We are talking about the 12th man anyhow is it all that different than the 15th?



Look at the roster, Hudson has practically no chance of being on the active 12 man roster. The way Ainge talked yesterday if you were a betting man the safe bet would be that he is cut in training camp.

Again, IMO the absolute best Hudson can hope for is to be the 15th man, play in the D-League this season and maybe takeover for Eddie House next season when Eddie's contract is up.
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Post#12 » by theman » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:27 pm

Some young point guards are still available in FA:

Mike Taylor
Alex Acker
Blake Ahearn
Luther Head
Rashad McCants

None of whom wow me. McCants is the best of that group. Iverson is still out there but won't come here for the min. to be a backup.

It think Danny gets a backup point at the trade deadline. My prayers are for Hinrich (yes I am not letting that go), but I think another possible target could be Rafer Alston, but his is already an expiring contract so something of value would have to be sent to NJ. Another NJ possibilty, mentioned in other threads, would be Keyon Dooling, who is not expiring. Scal for Dooling strait up works.
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Post#13 » by Avalanche » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:06 pm

Mccants is light years ahead of the rest of those guys, but hes not a point guard
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Post#14 » by Joekickass2008 » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:35 pm

theman wrote:Some young point guards are still available in FA:

Mike Taylor
Alex Acker
Blake Ahearn
Luther Head
Rashad McCants

None of whom wow me. McCants is the best of that group. Iverson is still out there but won't come here for the min. to be a backup.

It think Danny gets a backup point at the trade deadline. My prayers are for Hinrich (yes I am not letting that go), but I think another possible target could be Rafer Alston, but his is already an expiring contract so something of value would have to be sent to NJ. Another NJ possibilty, mentioned in other threads, would be Keyon Dooling, who is not expiring. Scal for Dooling strait up works.


LutherHead wouldnt be too bad.....but I'm rooting for Marbury to come back.
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Post#15 » by captain green » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:46 am

1. starbury
2. mike taylor(yeah I said mike taylor)
3.luther head
4.lester hudson
5. j. will(gator chocalate)

my selection in order of best fit for team.
The player i'd really like to have is mike taylor i've seen him d up and a really humble player.
you'd have to talk me into any other players not on the list.
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Post#16 » by Rocky5000 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:50 am

Marbury and House was pretty damn bad in quite a few games last year. Remember Marbury trying to cover Brandon Rush? I think that the two work well enough together offensively, but defensively the lack of size really hurt us.
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Post#17 » by sunshinekids99 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:53 am

I was actually pretty impressed with Marbury's d last season. Of course the issue was that he had to guard the bigger player when House was on the floor.
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Post#18 » by sully00 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:47 am

Celts17Pride wrote:
Look at the roster, Hudson has practically no chance of being on the active 12 man roster. The way Ainge talked yesterday if you were a betting man the safe bet would be that he is cut in training camp.

Again, IMO the absolute best Hudson can hope for is to be the 15th man, play in the D-League this season and maybe takeover for Eddie House next season when Eddie's contract is up.


You seem to be missing the point. I don't think you send a 24 year old Division II senior to the D league. He is #12 or better or he doesn't make the team we need his roster spot to be a 3rd pg.
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Post#19 » by Jammer » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:53 am

Celts17Pride wrote:
sully00 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:IMO Marbury has the higher potential than Murray, Lue, Carter, Jackson etc. If the Celtics could get him for the minimum I would still do it. Jason Williams would be a decent choice also but I like Marbury because he can guard the shooting guard when paired with Eddie House. None of the other PG options can do that IMO.

Hudson is what he is which is 15th man and D-League participant.


Your entitled to your opinion. But Marbury was terrible on this team and the rest of that list isn't very good either. Since the season has ended Marbury turned down Boston's contract offer and went crazy on the internet. The dude has a shelf life and I think his is over.

Hudson may not be good enough, time will tell, but this isn't a developmental player. He is 24 years old and a 4 year college player. This team isn't looking for a primary backup, this is a 3rd pg we are talking about, you decide who the pg is but House and Daniels is the backup backcourt. We are talking about the 12th man anyhow is it all that different than the 15th?



Look at the roster, Hudson has practically no chance of being on the active 12 man roster. The way Ainge talked yesterday if you were a betting man the safe bet would be that he is cut in training camp.

Again, IMO the absolute best Hudson can hope for is to be the 15th man, play in the D-League this season and maybe takeover for Eddie House next season when Eddie's contract is up.


I strongly think whoever the 3rd PG SHOULD BE on the active roster. Celts17Pride is basically saying that Doc Rivers would never grant a rookie active roster status over guys like Scalabrine, Williams, Giddens, Tony Allen and Walker.

But it's the way to go. Given this teams depth, one of Williams or Scalabrine will be Inactive, and two of Tony Allen, Billy Walker and J. R. Giddens should be Inactive; with the 3rd PG available should Rondo go down in the first 2 minutes of a game.
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Post#20 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:15 am

Jammer wrote:Given this teams depth, one of Williams or Scalabrine will be Inactive, and two of Tony Allen, Billy Walker and J. R. Giddens should be Inactive; with the 3rd PG available should Rondo go down in the first 2 minutes of a game.


Not a chance in hell.

"I think that both Eddie (House) and Marquis can play [PG]," Ainge said.

Hudson probably isn't even going to make the team nevermind 12th man.

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