Barclays Center/Fear Prokhorov Thread

[vincecarter4pres]

I not really trying to get to involved in this, because I honestly don't know much about the actual neighborhood where the Barclay's Center is going to be built, but in general eminent domain is an absolutely horrific law that basically does just kick people to the curb while giving them a telephone pole sized middle finger. I understand you defending it as within the law, but if you are defending the ethics behind it you really just an A-hole, plain and simple. Sorry.

[Preludepunk27]

Obviously one cannot make a strong ethical argument for Eminent Domain, but it is possible. I think people may misinterpret my side of the argument and believe that I am in full favor of the idea of Eminent Domain, which isn't the case. I'm just playing devil's advocate to the situation because this kid rubbed me the wrong way and I feel I know the rule of law enough that I could make a case for Eminent Domain to fulfill societal progression. That is it. Call me an A-Hole, but once a person rips into me unjustly when I originally was trying to remain relatively impartial, I get pissed off.

[NetsForce]

Utilitarianism.

I always wanted to use that word on RealGM.

[vincecarter4pres]

Obviously one cannot make a strong ethical argument for Eminent Domain, but it is possible. I think people may misinterpret my side of the argument and believe that I am in full favor of the idea of Eminent Domain, which isn't the case. I'm just playing devil's advocate to the situation because this kid rubbed me the wrong way and I feel I know the rule of law enough that I could make a case for Eminent Domain to fulfill societal progression. That is it. Call me an A-Hole, but once a person rips into me unjustly when I originally was trying to remain relatively impartial, I get pissed off.

Nah, I feel you.
I didn't even think you were defending it ethically, but you were starting to skate that thin line.
I also understand in certain situations it is almost necessary for the good of the specific area it is being utilized in as well and just for the good of society, but in general it is just a takeover.
Listen, I am not an emotional person, I am a realist. I am logical and deal with a lot of facts, cause and effect and such, but emineny domain is just straight abused by government and state in most cases with complete disregard for the actual people it physically effects.
I don't especially even want to get into this debate, but in all honesty, I don't have any special interest or personal emotional attachment to it.

[Preludepunk27]

Utilitarianism.

I always wanted to use that word on RealGM.

Haha I was a corporate communications/philosophy double major in college with a business administration minor and currently getting my MBA. So in all honesty, a lot of what is going on in Brooklyn interests me on many levels.

[Little Hornet]

Seattle Nets?

[vincecarter4pres]

Seattle Nets?

Funny you say that, because I've been thinking for a few months now it will be the Hornets or possibly Grizzlies that wind up back in Seattle if anyone does soon.

[Preludepunk27]

I make jokes with my buddies about the Nets moving to Seattle and combining team histories and calling ourselves the Seattle Sonets. We'd have all poetry crap on the walls and it's be the fruitiest place in the world, but then I'd try to get every thug possible on the team.

[NetsForce]

^ For some odd reason I think Lopez would be pleased with your idea ^

[jerseyjac]

Utilitarianism.

I always wanted to use that word on RealGM.

ba-dooom chhhhhhhhhh...

[jerseyjac]

The Nets’ longstanding effort to move to Brooklyn ran into another potential legal hurdle on Tuesday, as a group opposed to the Atlantic Yards arena and housing project announced it has filed papers seeking to have the “blighted” designation of the area invalidated.

The site of the proposed Atlantic Yards mega-development project in Brooklyn. The Develop Don’t Destroy Brooklyn group asked the New York Court of Appeals to review whether a state agency has demonstrated so much “bias and corruption” that its description of the proposed Barclays Center arena site cannot be accepted.

The appeals court — New York’s highest court — agreed in June to consider overturning a ruling allowing eminent domain to be used at the 22-acre site.

“This is a completely different violation of the law,” said Develop Don’t Destroy spokesman Daniel Goldstein, who owns a condominium within the project’s footprint.
Tuesday, August 4, 2009
BY JOHN BRENNAN
The Record
Another hurdle for Atlantic Yards project

[NetsForce]

These fools just don't know when to quit, the Atlantic Yards would be a boon to Brooklyn...

[SteveNets15]

They might as well put Brooklyn on our road jerseys if they want to disconnect with NJ so bad.I hate that RAT!!!!! owner.

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/0 ... _nets.html

[Preludepunk27]

Eh I honestly don't know why people are making such a big deal about this. A ton of teams put their team name on the jersey instead of the city they play in. The NY/NJ media is just blowing this out of proportion a tad because the state will be losing revenue since the Nets won't be leasing the IZOD like they've been doing for way too long.

[SteveNets15]

Yea but we were the New Jersey Nets a couple weeks ago.

[kombayn]

The Nets should be sold to the Devils' ownership and moved to the Rock. Plain and simple, the Brooklyn Arena is one of the biggest corporate-welfare scams on the planet. Giving all that land and tax-payer money to a private developer to get an Arena and the housing doesn't come until 2019!!! SCAM!!! Giant scam. Just keep the Nets in Newark, NJ - where they belong and destroy that awful IZOD Center and build a Subway plus retail center/movie theaters there. NYC has a team and it's the New York Knicks.

[Preludepunk27]

The Nets should be sold to the Devils' ownership and moved to the Rock. Plain and simple, the Brooklyn Arena is one of the biggest corporate-welfare scams on the planet. Giving all that land and tax-payer money to a private developer to get an Arena and the housing doesn't come until 2019!!! SCAM!!! Giant scam. Just keep the Nets in Newark, NJ - where they belong and destroy that awful IZOD Center and build a Subway plus retail center/movie theaters there. NYC has a team and it's the New York Knicks.

You are aware that Ratner purchased like 95% of the land himself right? The part he's getting under eminent domain is such a small fraction of land compared to the entire thing. They're not doing anything illegal. Blame the laws in New York that the Nets are using to a) secure the final amount of land and b) secure final financing.

What I find equally amusing (at least to me) is the fact that, seriously, there are an equal amount of people in that area FOR the entire complex as there are against. Go to any of their town meeting you will see tons of construction workers and locals talking about the new jobs and infrastructure the stadium and surrounding buildings will create for the area. Yes, there are an equal amount who don't want the stadium, but a lot of people don't realize the debate is pretty evenly split. People just don't see that thanks to most of the opposers being in the back pocket of the media.

[Preludepunk27]

I know I probably rub some people the wrong way when talking about the legal environment of this move but I was curious what your opinions were on this hypothetical question:
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Ok let's say the latest cases cause our tax exemptions on the area complex to expire. Ratner still wins the cases and secures the land and is able to secure funding through other routes (either through private investment or other tax exemptions applied for in the future). But just out of curiousity, if we were able to some how convince Lebron James to come play for us next summer, would more people in Brooklyn want the stadium/complex? The place is already going to bring revenue and a more stable infrastructure to the area, but I'm curiuos to see what % of people would be like "Oh Lebron signed with the Nets and is gung ho about the move to Brooklyn...I guess I can live with this now."
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Again, this is obviously a pipe dream that has a 3% chance of happening, but I'm just curious. That would lead me to believe that there are some people on the "Stop the Arena" side of the fence wouldn't want the Nets in Brooklyn because we currently suck. Obviously I consider this part of people to only make up 5% of the opposition at best, but I'm just trying to figure out some psychological reasons why people on on the opposition since for the past few years, I've only been considering the Socio-economic reasoning.

[hype_2004]

Screw Brooklyn, Ny metropol;itan area is saturated dry market with no prospect for growth, anyways how about moving the Nets to Vancouver instead of Brooklyn? Given the size of the metropolitan area and the huge Chinese demographics, this can certainly be a very profitable move by Brett Ratner or the potential new ownership whoever they may be. Screw Jay-Z and Lebron James you put a Yi led team in the Vancouver area and you get sell-outs every home game not to mention the massive western Canadian market that aligns with an NBA based team in Vancouver. Has Stern even thought about this idea? Surely the dude isn't that stupid not to think about relocating the Nets into Vancouver.

[hype_2004]

Seattle Nets?

For profitability and growth opportunity:
Vancouver Nets>>>>>>>>Seattle Nets>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brooklyn Nets