just a thought on The Lakers rotation

Dalakerbox · Post #1 » by **Dalakerbox** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:48 pm

Do you guys think we should or even could throw out a starting line up of Kobe at the 1 Ron Ron at the 2 Odom at the 3 Pau-er-ful at the 4 and Big Bynumite at the 5? Only for select games like against Celtics, Spurs,Cavs,Blazers and maybe even Washington. Just to strike fear into these teams from the opening moments of tip off. I kind of feel if Kobe played the 1 he'd get 8 to 10 assists easy. Just a though but I think it can work. I would not suggest doing this all season but for those few games it would be fun to watch. Just tell me what you think? If it is crazy so be it!

o... and as a side note I know it would never happen but it would be really nice if we could have Baron Davis running the point position before he is completely done as a player

fareweatherfan · Post #2 » by **fareweatherfan** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:44 pm

If Phil would have played at the 3 alongside Pau and Bynum for even one minute last season, then I would say your proposed lineup would possible.

I sure hope we see it, but not to start a game...rather for a few minutes in the third and fourth quarters.

Oh...and LO would play point-forward brining the ball up the floor, not Kobe, IMO.

Not touching the Baron comment.

LakersFan916 · Post #3 » by **LakersFan916** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:14 pm

nobody stop that

lakersfanatic · Post #4 » by **lakersfanatic** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:23 pm

that'll be a crazy line up that would spark fear in anyone even in baseball lol jk.
I'm pretty sure phil is contemplating it and will probably have it now and then, but resting and making sure everyone has good exposure to the game is what he'll probably look for more.

Patterns · Post #5 » by **Patterns** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:35 pm

Oh my goodness. More Odom threads at SF and Kobe at PG.

STOP!! IT WILL NEVER WORK.

DEEP3CL · Post #6 » by **DEEP3CL** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:48 pm

Patterns wrote:Oh my goodness. More Odom threads at SF and Kobe at PG.

STOP!! IT WILL NEVER WORK.

I'll cosign also, common sense says if Phil NEVER played those 3 together last season why will he do it now ?

Sofa King · Post #7 » by **Sofa King** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:37 pm

Whats Baron going to do? Throw Kobe and Bynum alley oops in a Clipper Jersey? Because thats the only way I see Baron playing with Kobe. :lol:

djericho · Post #8 » by **djericho** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:02 am

I'd rather have

Odom-PG
Kobe-SG
Artest-SF
Gasol-PF
Bynum-C

only person out of their natural playing position is Odom. He'd have problems against the quicker guards. In this role he could try to emulate Magic, have the court vision to see over smaller PGs. But yea, Phil won't go for it....

Post #9 » by **Slava** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:55 am

Sure if Odom starts shooting 40 % from the 3.

Gus McCrae · Post #10 » by **Gus McCrae** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:02 am

djericho wrote:I'd rather have

Odom-PG
Kobe-SG
Artest-SF
Gasol-PF
Bynum-C

only person out of their natural playing position is Odom. He'd have problems against the quicker guards. In this role he could try to emulate Magic, have the court vision to see over smaller PGs. But yea, Phil won't go for it....

strangely enough i'd swap Kobe and Artest, though they're pretty much interchangeable on the wings

hermes · Post #11 » by **hermes** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:58 am

odom, pau and bynum won't be on the floor together, it's not happening

Anklebreaker702 · Post #12 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:34 am

Doesn't have to be in the starting line up, but I wish Phil would quit saying it wont wont work & try in when needed. I saw several games (including the Finals) where I think that line up would have served it's purpose.

Dr Aki · Post #13 » by **Dr Aki** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:15 am

Patterns wrote:Oh my goodness. More Odom threads at SF and Kobe at PG.

STOP!! IT WILL NEVER WORK.

it can, but creates more problems on defense than for oppositions on offense

kobe isnt fast enough to chase small PGs around

odom shouldnt be consistently counted on for 3pt shooting

artest would end up with the ball TOO MUCH

j-far wrote:Sure if Odom starts shooting 40 % from the 3.

this.

can anyone imagine opposing PGs having to defend kobe/artest/odom on the low post??

*drool....*

Mamba Venom · Post #14 » by **Mamba Venom** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:30 am

I really wanted Phil to put in Bynum Gasol Odom Kobe & Fish at teh end of game 6 last year for the fans

Anklebreaker702 · Post #15 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:44 pm

djericho wrote:I'd rather have

Odom-PG
Kobe-SG
Artest-SF
Gasol-PF
Bynum-C

only person out of their natural playing position is Odom. He'd have problems against the quicker guards. In this role he could try to emulate Magic, have the court vision to see over smaller PGs. But yea, Phil won't go for it....

Kobe would be more natural @ PG than Odom. So put Odom @ SF where he would have the advantage over every SF in the league. Odom could never4 "emulate" Magic, he doesn't have the smarts.

Anklebreaker702 · Post #16 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:47 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:
Patterns wrote:Oh my goodness. More Odom threads at SF and Kobe at PG.

STOP!! IT WILL NEVER WORK.
I'll cosign also, common sense says if Phil NEVER played those 3 together last season why will he do it now ?

Deep I have to disagree. We don't know what may have happened had Bynum never gotten injured. Some situations called for that line up & Phil was just too stubborn to even see if would work. What's the worst thing that could happen? It doesn't work smoothly, call a time out & change it. Big deal. Try it against a team we are blowing out & the situation calls for it. I like how Phil thinks he has a crystal ball on the matter. I know he the G.O.A.T. coach but it doesn't mean that every move he makes or doesn't make is right all the time.

Post #17 » by **dockingsched** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:43 pm

i think odom could play sf if that was his focus. i don't think he can go from pf to sf during a game though. two very different roles. it also goes against all of his strengths, mainly crashing the boards and leading the break. if he's a SF he's guarding a perimeter player on defense, and offensively he's responsible for spreading the floor and getting back when the shot goes up. its just not ideal for the team, especially considering that one of their biggest advantages last yr was having a gasol/bynum, odom/gasol, odom/bynum lineup at all times. the ability to do that is what wins championships. too often teams are forced to put scrub big men out there.

Dalakerbox · Post #18 » by **Dalakerbox** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:27 pm

dcash4 wrote:i think odom could play sf if that was his focus. i don't think he can go from pf to sf during a game though. two very different roles. it also goes against all of his strengths, mainly crashing the boards and leading the break. if he's a SF he's guarding a perimeter player on defense, and offensively he's responsible for spreading the floor and getting back when the shot goes up. its just not ideal for the team, especially considering that one of their biggest advantages last yr was having a gasol/bynum, odom/gasol, odom/bynum lineup at all times. the ability to do that is what wins championships. too often teams are forced to put scrub big men out there.

Yeah but I don't think we have any scrub big men. If Mbenga and Powell had the time on the floor, trust me they would be better than you think. And everyone was saying how Powell was Turiaf's replacement when I actually believe it was Mbenga as far as rebounding and shot blocking go, and in my opinion he is better at that than Ronny was.

supaflash · Post #19 » by **supaflash** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:58 pm

Yeah this whole Kobe or Lamar at the point just isn't going to happen

We could run with it MAYBE for a few mins once and a while, but I'm sorry we do not want Kobe or LO guarding a PG for extended minutes and our spaceing would be terrible. If KMart can consistenly keep LO from penetrating and draw charges on him, what do you think a PG or SF is going to do to himi? You think he's going to penetrate and dish like PG? Whats he going to do at the 3? Post up down in the paint with Pau and Drew already down there?

Wake up! Its terrible..

I love Lamar, but his handles are good against OTHER POWER FORWARDS... and his post game is good against smaller players...If you think he's going to suddenly become Magic, you are mistaken, especially in a half court system. If we were full on run and gun, then yeah LO could do that, but we aren't going to do that all game...

Kobe could be a PG, but its stupid to utilize him as such because you are just going to wear him down ala Bron in the playoffs, ESPECIALLY if he has to chase a little guy all over the court. Its POINTLESS when we have such legitimate post players. Kobe can get assists and the team runs well when he does, but its best when he's doing it from an attacking scoring perspective because he's the only guy on our team that can create his own shot. He also needs good spacing to do such and this lineup would not provide good spacing...

I can see it once and a while, for example against the Celtics since Kobe can kind of back off Rondo and roam and help out on Pierce and the matchups of PP and Allen vs Odom and Artest are decent...But then again on the other end there is no great mismatches except possibly having Rondo on Kobe or Allen on Artest, both of which cases they really need to go to the post and then you are just clogging everything up...

Its just not a good idea, give me a guy that can shoot the lights out and defend decently at PG any time and give me good depth coming off the bench..

Sedale Threatt · Post #20 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:11 pm

Putting either Kobe or Lamar at the point completely takes away from their strengths. Kobe would have to waste valuable energy chasing around smaller guards, which would affect his impact as our go-to scorer. Lamar would be in the worst position on the court to focus on defensive rebounding, his best skill. Plus he'd be even more of a defensive liability than Kobe.

Otherwise I agree with dcash that the Odom as part of a triumvirate with Bynum and Gasol, which gives us more interior versatility and depth than any other team in the league, is his ideal role. Regardless of whether Lamar can or can't play the 3 -- I don't think he can over the course of an entire season -- that trio is the best part of our team besides Kobe.

Why screw with that, especially when we have a very capable player in Artest to play small forward?