Tom Moore 2.0

[corwin]

I think Brand can handle that. You dont want him going overboard to the extent that he's tossed from the game, but he's not above a hard foul (ie vs. Turiaf on youtube somewhere). I agree that It'd be nice to have a second option on that though.

I hope you're right. I just never watched him play enough when he was in LA to get a sense that toughness is part of his game.

[83SixersRocked]

Found the link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO2Ow6klf7A

Rooted around some more and didn't find much else.

[Don]

The Spurs (again) did a really good deal with Theo.

But of course, being perennial champions that we are with an incredible big man playing center (Sam, if you're wondering who I'm talking about) , we had no use for an established defensive veteran that knows the game once he spoke against the poor decision of a head coach who's no longer even in the position. Ed Stefanski the former MIND of the New Jersey Nets, again made a poor decision in not signing Ratliff, who did nothing but play good defense when his name was called. He was the only one that knew how to "d" up among our big men- but why would we need him? We got Brezec (the different direction that Eddie spoke of when he said he wouldn't sign Ratliff again). The reason the Spurs signed Ratliff was because they are perennial losers and don't have good inside players like ours.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Sam isn't that bad. God damn, do people think of him as a scrub? No, seriously is Sammy a scrub? He has limitations, there are some things he can't do. But there are things he can: Block shots, run the floor and give you an off-the-ball option.

Imagine M-16 at center, now if you can forgo defense, you might enjoy it. But you see, I like winning basketball games. So I wouldn't start M-16 at center. Lou is more prepared to play PG then M-16 is to play C.

It is more about what Sam does than what he doesn't do. He passes and shoots when he shouldn't and knocks rebounds away from his team mates way too much and yes...he has played like a scrub the last 3 or 4 years.

I think he shot the least of all the starters/20 MPG guys at a piiful 8 FGA a game. To the fine tune of 4 FG'S made. Just because he's a guy that doesn't dominate the paint doesn't mean you rag on him.

And he knocks rebounds away from his team-mates?? I'm not sure if you recall but one of the bright spots early in the year was how Daly/Brand DOMINATED the paint defensively.

On the contrary, he average a virtual dbl-dbl the last 2 yrs before Cheeks/Dileo benched him to hell. Causing inconsistency.

[radrmd216]

The Sixers don't seem to be that attractive of a destination for free agents. The Sixers have young players that will get minutes and aren't a contending team. A team that is a contender or can offer plaing time will get a free agent for less money. The Sixers would have to overpay for free agents becuase they are in a transition period right now. Players like Ratliff sign with teams like the Spurs because they are contending teams.

[Phillyboy]

Sam isn't that bad. God damn, do people think of him as a scrub? No, seriously is Sammy a scrub? He has limitations, there are some things he can't do. But there are things he can: Block shots, run the floor and give you an off-the-ball option.

Yo Ded, when we talk about Dalembert I think we'll all agree that somewhere inside him is a very good shot blocking, shot changing, rebounding big man. As we all know it's not a talent issue it's an attitude issue. It must be pretty bad if he's been on the block forever and still no GM in this league wants anything to do with him.

How bad is it? Considering there's no shortage of primadonnas in the NBA it has to be terrible. This is a guy who was sent home by his national team because they couldn't take it anymore. Cheeks and Dileo limited his minutes because of him. You'd have to think that if Sam was with the program he'd be playing. Benching a big man with god given talent doesn't make sense otherwise.

Not sure if it was Tom or SF that said the Pistons "laughed at us" when we offered Sam in a package for Rip. And I'm sure there were other similar examples of GM's reactions when approached with a Dalembert trade proposal. No, we're STUCK with him and since that's the case I can only hope that this new coach can reach Sam when all the others over his career could not.

Sam's problem is Sam. We can only hope he finally sees it himself and it motivates him to his potential. If he wants to see a decent contract after this one either from us or on the open market he'd better get busy.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Yo Ded, when we talk about Dalembert I think we'll all agree that somewhere inside him is a very good shot blocking, shot changing, rebounding big man. As we all know it's not a talent issue it's an attitude issue. It must be pretty bad if he's been on the block forever and still no GM in this league wants anything to do with him.

How bad is it? Considering there's no shortage of primadonnas in the NBA it has to be terrible. This is a guy who was sent home by his national team because they couldn't take it anymore. Cheeks and Dileo limited his minutes because of him. You'd have to think that if Sam was with the program he'd be playing. Benching a big man with god given talent doesn't make sense otherwise.

Not sure if it was Tom or SF that said the Pistons "laughed at us" when we offered Sam in a package for Rip. And I'm sure there were other similar examples of GM's reactions when approached with a Dalembert trade proposal. No, we're STUCK with him and since that's the case I can only hope that this new coach can reach Sam when all the others over his career could not.

Sam's problem is Sam. We can only hope he finally sees it himself and it motivates him to his potential. If he wants to see a decent contract after this one either from us or on the open market he'd better get busy.

I think what Sam needs is two things: 1: A guy who can relate to him(Eddie Jordan is THE coach that you wished Mo was, A coach who can interact and actually coach) And 2: the lack of propaganda.

How much of that Sam damage was done by us? We don't give him the ball enough if at all. We complain about what he can't do when we don't let him do it.

And when he gets in foul trouble? We don't support him and keep him in there, we put him on the bench.

Foul trouble happens, you can't sit him EVERY time he gets 2 fouls. An truly elite coach like Phil Jackson would say "Play through it".

Players respond to Playing Time and Confidence. If a coach gives them those two things, then he's gonna deliver for you. No ands/if/buts, sam's not any different. He complained about PLAYING TIME.

Is he a starter? Absolutely, so we gotta give him starting minutes and confidence.

[corwin]

The Sixers don't seem to be that attractive of a destination for free agents. The Sixers have young players that will get minutes and aren't a contending team. A team that is a contender or can offer plaing time will get a free agent for less money. The Sixers would have to overpay for free agents becuase they are in a transition period right now. Players like Ratliff sign with teams like the Spurs because they are contending teams.

I think you have something here. But remember, Theo, Marshall, & Rush (all desirable minimum guys last year) had no problem signing with the Sixers because they thought the team was going to compete in the East. Other than losing Miller & Evans, this is the same team.

[Don]

True, but the perception of being a team that's going to compete in the East has changed, in part due to last season's mediocre performance, in part due to Miller's departure.

[ChuckS]

"Other than losing Miller & Evans, this is the same team."


"Other than that, what did you think of the play Mr. Lincoln?"

[corwin]

You have a point about Miller as I'm sure that you're not talking about Evans. The loss of Miller is the exact reason that most on this forum want to see a reliable veteran back-up to the Lou/Jrue show. We'll see if one is ever signed. I do believe the perception around the league is that Philly is in a lock-down, don't spend, & don't improve the team right now mode. That can never be attractive to free agents. Still, how many decent free agents have signed for the vet's minimum so far?

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Andre Miller took 18 shots per game in the playoffs, only maybe once at his 12. He cost us the playoff series. If ANYONE should take 18 shots on that team, it's Iggy/Young. Not Miller.

Miller was a ball-hog, it's time to forget about him.

[corwin]

I'm not one crying over the loss of Miller. It's time to move on. On another note, how boring has this forum become? Where is Kevin12? At least when he posts, there seems to be more action & interest.

[83SixersRocked]

Yeah theres nothing happening. Everybody down in Joisey? Bebop seems to be MIA too.

73 lonnnng days til the season opener.

[freshie2]

Andre Miller took 18 shots per game in the playoffs, only maybe once at his 12. He cost us the playoff series. If ANYONE should take 18 shots on that team, it's Iggy/Young. Not Miller.

Miller was a ball-hog, it's time to forget about him.

Really??? Does this tie in with your "I want to be better..." post?? I'm OK with losing him, but I can't really agree with 'Miller was a ball hog'.

[ankle420breaker]

Andre Miller took 18 shots per game in the playoffs, only maybe once at his 12. He cost us the playoff series. If ANYONE should take 18 shots on that team, it's Iggy/Young. Not Miller.

Miller was a ball-hog, it's time to forget about him.

Go take another look at the stats. Come back and tell me what Miller averaged for the series, and then tell me what you're man Lou was able to do in the playoffs (against their weak SECOND unit). Its fine if you don't like him, but to say that Miller cost us that series is flat out laughable.

[76ers76ers]

Andre Miller took 18 shots per game in the playoffs, only maybe once at his 12. He cost us the playoff series. If ANYONE should take 18 shots on that team, it's Iggy/Young. Not Miller.

Miller was a ball-hog, it's time to forget about him.

Go take another look at the stats. Come back and tell me what Miller averaged for the series, and then tell me what you're man Lou was able to do in the playoffs (against their weak SECOND unit). Its fine if you don't like him, but to say that Miller cost us that series is flat out laughable.

Lou Williams is the next Isiah Thomas.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Should Andre Miller average around 18 shots a game? Yes or no? Do you accept Miller as a PG?

I'm sorry, but Iggy, Thad are two good guys you can pass the ball to, Sam's a guy for the occasional alley, jumper.

He shouldn't have to take 18 shots. That's 2nd tier caliber shots.

[youngcrev]

Should Andre Miller average around 18 shots a game? Yes or no? Do you accept Miller as a PG?

I'm sorry, but Iggy, Thad are two good guys you can pass the ball to, Sam's a guy for the occasional alley, jumper.

He shouldn't have to take 18 shots. That's 2nd tier caliber shots.

1) He took 16.8 shots per game in the playoffs, not 18.

2) He played 43 minutes per game, so his shot attempts are going to be higher than normal.

3) With those shot attempts, he was pouring in 21.2 points per game, shooting .475 from the field.

If you think Andre Miller was losing games for us with his shot attempts, your crazy. I can understand complaining about his defense since Alston had a great series, but even then, Andre Miller's help defense on Dwight Howard was pretty damn good.

We lost that series because Orlando is a more talented basketball team, plain and simple.

[ankle420breaker]

Should Andre Miller average around 18 shots a game? Yes or no? Do you accept Miller as a PG?

I'm sorry, but Iggy, Thad are two good guys you can pass the ball to, Sam's a guy for the occasional alley, jumper.

He shouldn't have to take 18 shots. That's 2nd tier caliber shots.

You obviously aren't going to look at the numbers yourself, so here they are for the series vs. Orlando.

Iguodala - 23.2ppg - 47%
Young - 11.4ppg - 40%
Miller - 22ppg - 51%
Williams - 9.4ppg - 40%

With Brand injured and limited talent around him, I had no problem with Miller taking 16.5 shots per game (not 18 as you keep saying, stop just picking numbers out of the sky), especially when he's converting at 51%. I sure hope his successor can get us to the playoffs, let alone produce as much as Miller did if/when he gets there.