At least 4 reports saying Daniels S & T unlikely

[Zin5]

$3M and a pick is far too excessive. We could buy him out for less, though he'd still be a cap hit, but it wouldn't effect us in a way that'd make us want to force a trade. An open roster spot has more value than TA right now.

And I keep saying this: As long as Marquis is in green by the time the season starts, which I believe he will be, I'm fine with it. If we can't work anything out in time, we can always just sign him for the LLE.

[Celts17Pride]

$3M and a pick is far too excessive.

That's why he is still a Celtic.

[Celts17Pride]

That's silly. They could just pay the team 2.5mil and the team can buy out Tony.

You people just don't get it. Nobody wants to do this that's the problem. Nobody wants to eat up $2.5 million of cap space for Tony Allen. Why is this so hard to understand?

The only way a team will consider this is if the Celtics overpay and give money and a draft pick.

For example what Denver did with Steven Hunter. They gave money and a draft pick to clear him off their salary cap. This is what Boston has to do if they want a team to take Tony Allen. Tony Allen has no value.

http://www.rockymountainindependent.com ... lary-dump/

The Denver Nuggets traded center Steven Hunter, a lottery-protected first-round pick and cash to the Memphis Grizzlies for a future second-round pick.

My guess is the Celtics don't want to give up the cash and the pick.

[ryaningf]

Yep...these are truly the dog days of summer, the silly season...

Wake me up when October rolls around...

This is thread about speculation and you come here and laugh because people are speculating.

Wake me up when you made a substantial post.

Nothing wrong with speculation, but I can only take so much...summer's suck for sports unless you're a Sox fan (which I am, but they are suckin' right now...)

Wake me up when you have earned the respect on this board to be taken seriously

Dude, you're rocking the Blur avatar, so I gotta respect that--but you talking about the respect of this board is like the pot lecturing the kettle about blackness.

[Captain_Caveman]

17pride is right. TA has no value and it would take more than cash to get someone to bite.

On a related note, Memphis does not have a 2nd rounder until 2014.

[MyInsatiableOne]

Dude, you're rocking the Blur avatar, so I gotta respect that--but you talking about the respect of this board is like the pot lecturing the kettle about blackness.

Whatever, man...we've both been on here a long time and people seem to like us, so let's leave it at that...

[ryaningf]

Dude, you're rocking the Blur avatar, so I gotta respect that--but you talking about the respect of this board is like the pot lecturing the kettle about blackness.

Whatever, man...we've both been on here a long time and people seem to like us, so let's leave it at that...

Yeah, cool man, we can both keeping waiting on that next Blur album.

[MyInsatiableOne]

Hah, if it ever happens! Damon didn't sound so sure it ever would, although Graham sure seems to think so...

I wish they'd get this Daniels deal finished already...it's been dragging out, what, 3 weeks now?

[Kefa461]

Gorillaz.......

[ryaningf]

I heard they might release a live record of their reunion gigs in June. But that's all--no new songs

[MyInsatiableOne]

Gorillaz.......

Yeah, the third one is coming out in 2010, and it's supposedly the final one...looking forward to it, but would rather have a new Blur album

[Captain_Caveman]

I remember seeing Blur in Bill's Bar in early 92. My buddy dragged me along. There were like 10 people there, and the guitar player was so drunk he couldn't even stand, never mind play. Manager got on stage and kicked them out about 3 songs in. He grabbed dude's guitar and tried to keep it as like a breach of contract or something, which obviously led to bedlam.

Anyhow, the bouncers forcibly removed them from the premises.

Good show, lol.

[billfromBoston]

I think the issue is that Daniels is not going to sign the BAE for two seasons he will want a player option for year two. Boston would prefer to get him on a deal that gives him enough money so they don't have to mess with the player option in year two, because they will be in a situation were they would have to tie up the MLE to retain and they may actually need that to replace Ray. I am sure they would also love to get out of paying either TA or Scal for the season and retain the BAE for next season.

There is no need to rush into anything what everyone is looking for may still be an option as camp is on the horizon and traded players start pass the time period that they can be included in multi player deals. Only something positive can happen from waiting why not wait?

Sully nailed it...Daniels is a PERFECT fit for this team over the next 3 seasons...he can start at the 2 if Ray is unreasonable about re-signing or the team has the option to net a big fish by trading him - he is a shot-creating penetration player on a team filled with shooters - he is 28 and in his prime and can back up both wing positions and handle the ball in full-court pressure.

If Daniels comes here for 1 year he will surely increase his value and cost the team more money next year. A sign and trade for 2-3 seasons at 2.5/3 a year would be a great deal for Boston in terms of performance and roster flexibility.

[Jammer]

I think the issue is that Daniels is not going to sign the BAE for two seasons he will want a player option for year two. Boston would prefer to get him on a deal that gives him enough money so they don't have to mess with the player option in year two, because they will be in a situation were they would have to tie up the MLE to retain and they may actually need that to replace Ray. I am sure they would also love to get out of paying either TA or Scal for the season and retain the BAE for next season.

There is no need to rush into anything what everyone is looking for may still be an option as camp is on the horizon and traded players start pass the time period that they can be included in multi player deals. Only something positive can happen from waiting why not wait?

Sully nailed it...Daniels is a PERFECT fit for this team over the next 3 seasons...he can start at the 2 if Ray is unreasonable about re-signing or the team has the option to net a big fish by trading him - he is a shot-creating penetration player on a team filled with shooters - he is 28 and in his prime and can back up both wing positions and handle the ball in full-court pressure.

If Daniels comes here for 1 year he will surely increase his value and cost the team more money next year. A sign and trade for 2-3 seasons at 2.5/3 a year would be a great deal for Boston in terms of performance and roster flexibility.

Bill, we have all known this from before the Sign & Trade was mentioned, as several of us
(sully, me and others) stressed prior to the announcement of Daniels committing to the Celtics
that the way to get a player in addition to Rasheed Wallace was via Sign & Trade.

It's been mentioned many times that if Daniels doesn't get his $ now via S&T,
if he still signs with the Celtics, would take a 2 year contract where the 2nd year is a player option.

This way, if he does real good this year, he jacks his value up and gets the full MLE for
5 years next summer. If he gets injured, he invokes his 2nd year player option to get paid.

The stinker in all of this is that the Celtics will end up using their MLE on Marquis next
summer if they can't do a sign & trade, and won't be able to use the LLE next summer
because they'll have to use it to sign Marquis this year.

I personally wonder if their are some folks in Memphis who might want Tony,
but their jack-ass owner, who seems to make his decisions on money rather than what
will help his team win (5 of last 8 seasons have been under 30 win seasons)
is the cause for the Celtics inability to do a deal with Memphis.

Because I Bill, truly believe that Tony is better than any guard on Memphis bench
(their are only two, Marko Jaric and Marcus Williams) right now.

If you believe that Tony is better than any of the guards on Memphis
(behind starters OJ Mayo and Mike Conley, Jr.); then speak up and let your voice be heard.

[Zin5]

I personally wonder if their are some folks in Memphis who might want Tony,
but their jack-ass owner, who seems to make his decisions on money rather than what
will help his team win (5 of last 8 seasons have been under 30 win seasons)
is the cause for the Celtics inability to do a deal with Memphis.

Because I Bill, truly believe that Tony is better than any guard on Memphis bench
(their are only two, Marko Jaric and Marcus Williams) right now.

If you believe that Tony is better than any of the guards on Memphis
(behind starters OJ Mayo and Mike Conley, Jr.); then speak up and let your voice be heard.

I've said this before, they'd probably want him at the min, but they'd never want him at what he's being paid to hit their cap. How are they going to sell it to their fans that they spent some of the capspace they got in the Gasol trade on Tony Allen? If I were Memphis, I'd rather give the minutes to young guys, such as Williams or Young, to help them develop than on an injury prone 28 year old reserve guard who has off and on court issues making $2.5M. TA may be the third most talented guard on that team from day one, but would they even want that? The only difference he'd make is maybe they'd end up one spot farther back in the lottery.

[MyInsatiableOne]

I remember seeing Blur in Bill's Bar in early 92. My buddy dragged me along. There were like 10 people there, and the guitar player was so drunk he couldn't even stand, never mind play. Manager got on stage and kicked them out about 3 songs in. He grabbed dude's guitar and tried to keep it as like a breach of contract or something, which obviously led to bedlam.

Anyhow, the bouncers forcibly removed them from the premises.

Good show, lol.

Yeah they were a little...*heavy* on the booze in the early days, especially Graham (the guitarist)

They do put on a great show, though...

[MyInsatiableOne]

I remember seeing Blur in Bill's Bar in early 92. My buddy dragged me along. There were like 10 people there, and the guitar player was so drunk he couldn't even stand, never mind play. Manager got on stage and kicked them out about 3 songs in. He grabbed dude's guitar and tried to keep it as like a breach of contract or something, which obviously led to bedlam.

Anyhow, the bouncers forcibly removed them from the premises.

Good show, lol.

Captain Caveman, I'd like to talk to you further about this, if possible...let me know if you wouldn't mind and then we could email privately (I'm working with the band on their archive project)...