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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#81 » by Xand1 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:54 pm

Iommi wrote:See, the thing is, any general manager in the NBA right now would take Randolph over Love, strictly based on Randolph's potential. Randolph is an unbelievable athlete, who is starting to put together his basketball skills, and the results have been thusfar impressive. Love is a middling to sub-average athlete who has an incredibly polished game. It's very difficult, nigh on impossible to improve athletiscism this late in life, so how much more polished do you propose Love's game can become? His jumper can get more consistent, and his positioning can become even more perfect, but I see his best statistical season being like, 15/12. With a guy like Randolph, who can jump out of the gym, has terrifying length, and runs like a gazelle, it's possible he could average twenty-five points a game in his prime, maybe more. Saying Kevin Love has proved his usefulness in the NBA more is a perfectly logical, defensible point, but it's glaringly obvious that Randolph's ceiling dwarfs Love's, and at this point in their careers, front office brass and talent evaluators hold potential at a higher premium than what they've already proven (This is only true to a point, but Randolph did look incredibly promising last year, and that was without minutes, confidence and direction).


See, this reeks of someone who hasn't actually watched much of Love. He wasn't that polished last year, honestly. He has a much broader base of skills than Randolph, but he has plenty of work to do on them and thus plenty of room to improve. For example, he routinely got blocked at the rim for taking bad angles on his shots, leading with the ball and not being aware of weak-side defenders. Those blocks will change to FT's as he learns to draw contact on these plays. He was also hesitant on his jumper and rarely went 1 on 1 in the post, yet showed success at both at times. When he "polishes" these skills up and executes them at an NBA level he'll be much better than he was last year. It's not like he came in and did everything he's ever going to do and set his ceiling in stone.

I'm not saying he's going to be better than Randolph. I think Love is more of a sure thing while Randolph has some serious potential, but to write Love off as having a low-ceiling just because he was effective last year is ignorant. He could easily be a 18/10 guy when his jumper starts to fall, especially considering the PG's he's going to be playing next to. I love some Randolph though - it's going to be interesting to follow his career.
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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#82 » by Iommi » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:06 pm

Actually, last year was my first year ordering NBA League Pass, and I watched most of Minny's games. Love certainly did not show success on his jumper, and he was decent at best going one on one in the post. But that's besides the point. The point is, Anthony Randolph's ceiling is higher than Kevin Love's, by quite a bit. Because they were both only rookies last year, they will be assessed based more on their potential than their performance.
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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#83 » by Xand1 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:27 pm

Iommi wrote:Actually, last year was my first year ordering NBA League Pass, and I watched most of Minny's games. Love certainly did not show success on his jumper, and he was decent at best going one on one in the post. But that's besides the point. The point is, Anthony Randolph's ceiling is higher than Kevin Love's, by quite a bit. Because they were both only rookies last year, they will be assessed based more on their potential than their performance.


Fair enough - can't argue with you there. I do think that people are quick to write off Love as having a low ceiling given that he's not incredibly explosive, which isn't necessarily true. He's not #1 material, while maybe Randolph has a chance to get there, but I think he's a lock to be very good with some room to grow.
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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#84 » by Klomp » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:35 pm

I think when they were second year guys, there were likely people that thought Corey Brewer had more potential than Al Horford. Doesn't mean he'll be a better player.
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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#85 » by Iommi » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:20 am

I doubt that; Brewer was coming off a serious knee injury and Horford was being thrown around as a rookie of the year candidate.

Furthermore, The point that Randolph's potential doesn't mean he'll be better than Love is valid. However, the point I'm trying to make here is, based on his potential, Randolph caries more trade value than Love at the moment.
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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#86 » by revprodeji » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:03 am

i did not say randolphs stats or klve is not valid. i said u can not trust either. both r good players that have devoted fan bases. players blow up at the end of the season all the time. question is if u trust it.

the def comment was in reply to a poster who called randolph a kg-like pf. ny response was to show kg as an amazing defender and randolph as anything but. we cannot call every skinny athlete the next kg.

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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#87 » by St.Nick » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:21 am

How many explosive 6'11 athletes are there who can rebound, block shots, handle the ball coast to coast (Randolph is better than KG at this), and shoot from the perimeter? I don't think its fair to say that any comparison between KG and Randolph is off and that he is just any other "skinny athlete." He played in the Team USA minicamp, you know (and scored 12 pts in the scrimmage).

" Lamar Odom:

It's like looking in the mirror a little," Odom said of Randolph. "He's also 6-11, he's left-handed and he can put the ball on the floor. He's two times as athletic as I was at that age.

"He should set his goals high. He has All-Star potential, Hall of Fame potential, with that size, his ability to put the ball on the floor, he can shoot the three, he can pass. If he stays focused, the sky is the limit for him."


I think labeling Randolph a guy who just showed brief flashes and nothing else is faulty at this point. He's obviously caught a lot of people's attention and risen above the level of just another tall, skinny prospect.

We'll see this coming year though, right? Anyone wish to throw a prediction out there? I will.

Randolph= 14ppg/9.5 rpg/2apg/2 bpg/50%fg
Love= 12ppg/9rpg/1.5apg/0.5bpg/45%fg
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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#88 » by AQuintus » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:49 am

St.Nick wrote:Randolph= 14ppg/9.5 rpg/2apg/2 bpg/50%fg
Love= 12ppg/9rpg/1.5apg/0.5bpg/45%fg


You expect Love to regress? Last year in 25 minutes per game he averaged 11ppg/9rbg/1.0apg/0.6bbg/46%fg

Love should get 30+ minutes per game this year, so taking his stats from last year adjusted for 33 minutes per game, he would have 14.5ppg/11.7rpg/1.3apg/0.8bpg/46%fg. This is, of course, making the massive assumption that he doesn't improve at all in any areas.

As for the question at hand, if the trade was being made in a vacuum, I would easily do Love for Randolph straight up simply because he's a much better fit at Power Forward next to Big Al. His combination of height, length, athleticism, and skill set make me think that if he does somehow reach his massive potential, he could be a poor-man's KG. Love, on the other hand, looks to me like he could be (and should be) in the Carlos Boozer/David West tier of big men in a few years. An extremely valuable piece for sure, but not quite as valuable as what Randolph could be.

Of course, we're not in a vacuum, so if this trade was actually brought up, I would decline and instead draft John Henson in next year's draft (Look him up. He appears to be extremely similar to Randolph.) and keep Love.
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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#89 » by St.Nick » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:12 am

I think Love is going to have less shots with Flynn being a capable scorer and Jefferson being back in the lineup. In the 1st half of the season (when Jefferson was playing) Love averaged 9.4/8.8/45%fg.

While Love will improve on those stats, I don't see him making a huge jump next season since Big Al and Flynn will be the driving forces of the offense.
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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#90 » by revprodeji » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:30 am

st. Nick. If Randolph stays as the SF then I could see the Odom-like career. But it is very different saying he is the next odom as a ball handling Sf and claiming he is the next Kg @ the 4. He does have physical gifts and rare handle for his size, but he is a very different player with no where near the defense. odom yes, kg no.
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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#91 » by St.Nick » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:14 pm

revprodeji wrote:st. Nick. If Randolph stays as the SF then I could see the Odom-like career. But it is very different saying he is the next odom as a ball handling Sf and claiming he is the next Kg @ the 4. He does have physical gifts and rare handle for his size, but he is a very different player with no where near the defense. odom yes, kg no.


Defense is a state of mind, assuming the physical necessities are there. Randolph can become a good defender at the PF. He is long, strong, athletic, and is already proving to be a formidable shot blocker.

(Randolph) often works out with his shirt off now, showing off his defined torso. The Warriors have focused on developing his core strength and not bulking him up. Still, Randolph, who has grown an inch and is just shy of 7 feet, has added some 20 pounds of muscle since the Warriors drafted him and is now up to about 215. He can curl 100-pound dumbbells several times, no problem.

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I don't know why he can't be compared to KG if only his man defense is lacking. For a guy barely 20 years old that has the tools, the sky is really the limit (as Odom says).

With that being said, I see him as a much better version of Odom and not as good as KG since KG is more of a beast inside.

But the comparisons absolutely can continue, as they aren't so far off.
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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#92 » by realfung » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:12 pm

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Re: Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph 

Post#93 » by Esohny » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:28 pm

St.Nick wrote:
But the comparisons absolutely can continue, despite being ridiculous and really far off.


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Post#94 » by Vindicater » Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:44 am

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