Jazz are Re-active!!!

[HolyToledo]

Jazz are reactive and not proactive as an organization. You see proactive teams with a plan, i.e. Spurs getting Jefferson, Blazers getting Andre Miller while driving up Millsap contract for the Jazz to pay, and Lakers taking a risk getting Artest as they are always thinking about winning a championship. You see the new Knick organization with a plan. They wont sign David Lee to more than a one year contract because they need cap room for Lebron. They are willing to trade for Boozer whom has a one year contract, thus Knicks plan is try to be competitive this year than get Lebron next year with their cap space. Donnie Walsh of Knicks had this plan in motion more than a year ago.

Jazz have no plan for their future. Instead of signing Millsap early in the free agent process or even signing him to an extension last year, Jazz waited until Portland screwed them. Just like the Millsap scenario, Jazz matched Miles after another team signed him to a ridicolous.

Jazz waiting for someone to offer a ton for Boozer in a trade and what is going to happen, he is going to stay until its too late and he gets injured again and/or becomes a distraction.

KOC and the Utah Jazz are too conservative and have no plan past next week. Jazz organization is simply not a good one. Jazz reflect Jerry Sloan in that he will not get bullied (i.e. matching Millsap and Miles stupid contracts) but simply are not a smart organization (Sloan is not an innovative coach). Jerry Sloan is the Utah Jazz. A coach and team happy to do it what they perceive as "the right way," because they are too stupid and scared to be innovative!

[DByrne86]

Yea! We should be more like the Knicks, damn it!

Seriously dude, lay off the coke. The Blazers were not secretively planning on getting Andre Miller while simultaneously screwing over Utah, the got him after the fact. They ended up with Miller because the rest of their hurried, panicked, and un-thought out plans had fallen through. The Blazers have made good decisions in the past (although they've had their share of blunders just like anyone else. Oden over Durant. the indecision on Raef LaFrentz...), but this offseason their FO looked like a complete joke. I'd rather have a calm, collected leadership that waits for the right moves, than a front office like the ones the Blazers and Knicks have.

[seejaydeja]

[carrottop12]

You are absolutely wrong. The Jazz may be the least re-active team in the league. They work on their own play, and don't let other league trends dictate what they do.

They don't get into heavy bidding wars just to be in them, they don't play the free agent market just to spend money because other teams are doing the same, and they don't follow trends of what other teams are doing as far as style of play or style of management go.

The Jazz are absolutely no re-active.

[JDubJazz]

You are absolutely wrong. The Jazz may be the least re-active team in the league. They work on their own play, and don't let other league trends dictate what they do.

They don't get into heavy bidding wars just to be in them, they don't play the free agent market just to spend money because other teams are doing the same, and they don't follow trends of what other teams are doing as far as style of play or style of management go.

The Jazz are absolutely no re-active.

Wouldn't that mean they are dead?

[MeestR]

if jazz were reactive, both boozer and ak would be gone by now, as both had publicly requested a trade. jazz didnt react and did what was best for the jazz and kept them. the jazz were proactive with millsap and kept their word. they gave him a fair offer and said if you find something better, we'll match it. he did and they did.

im glad the jazz are not reactive, if they were, we'de all be cheering for a team to beat out okc and gsw this year.

[outerspacefella]

if jazz were reactive, both boozer and ak would be gone by now...

Damnit... be reactive KOC!

[outerspacefella]

...The Jazz may be the least re-active team in the league. They work on their own play, and don't let other league trends dictate what they do....

That's it. Like it or not Jazz play its own way indeed.

[Paper Face]

You see the new Knick organization with a plan.

You seem pretty impressed with the Knicks. Perhaps it's time to pick a new favorite team.

Jazz organization is simply not a good one.

It would seem your choice is clear.

[Soul Patch]

You see the new Knick organization with a plan.

You seem pretty impressed with the Knicks. Perhaps it's time to pick a new favorite team.

Jazz organization is simply not a good one.

It would seem your choice is clear.

Oh God, please pick a new team.

[HouseofBoozer]

DUMB!

[loserX]

So the Jazz, who waited to sign Millsap, are reactive idiots, while the Knicks, who are still waiting on David Lee and Nate Robinson, are proactive geniuses?

This is what almost always happens with non-first-tier restricted FAs. You wait to see what happens in the market, then make a decision based on that. You don't just jump into things.

[erudite23]

What is it going to take for this guy to get banned? How much longer must we cry alone in the wilderness for deliverance until the Mod of Abraham rids us of this heathen?


**** it, I'll just track him down myself.

[carrottop12]

HolyToledo I want to know where you get your ideas from. Is there a news source you check, or a radio host you listen to that shape your opinions on the Jazz because they are so far the truth that it makes me think you have to be hearing it from some faulty source.

I've honestly never heard such repeatedly poor and inacurrate opinions on any subject by someone who actually pays attention to anything.

[HolyToledo]

I find it amazing when you guys have selective memories of my posts. You guys jumped all over me when I said from the beggining that Memo and Boozer cannot coexist. Now most, if not all of you, would agree with me.

Do you guys really see the Jazz and KOC have a game plan for a Jazz championship in the future? I see no plan whatsoever!!! Is it really a game plan to let Boozer play out the season to let him go at the end of the season? Just face it, Jazz are happy being a playoff team and when the economy turns around Miller probably selling the team bc he looks at the NBA like a business while Larry Miller was a Jazz fan.

The Jazz organization is not about winning a championship especially now that Larry Miller has passed away.

Utah Jazz, Milw. Bucks, Indiana Pacers, and the Hornets are small market teams just trying to get by while there are other teams trying to win championships. Admit it people, that is the way it is.

[stevebozell]

But your whole theme of your thread here was that they are reactive....now that it's been obliterated by everybody, why are you changing the subject?

By the way, how old are you? Your poor choice of words and grammar makes me think you might not be out of junior high just yet. How about mixing in a "the" when talking about THE Jazz, not talking about Jazz....it's just annoying.

[HolyToledo]

But your whole theme of your thread here was that they are reactive....now that it's been obliterated by everybody, why are you changing the subject?

By the way, how old are you? Your poor choice of words and grammar makes me think you might not be out of junior high just yet. How about mixing in a "the" when talking about THE Jazz, not talking about Jazz....it's just annoying.

Im not changing the subject! The point of this thread is that there are certain teams that are pro-active (have a plan) to win a championship. The Lakers are a prime example. They traded an allstar center in Vlade to get a high schooler by the name of Kobe Bryant not to make the playoffs but to hopefully win championships in the future. The Jazz organization would have never taken that risk. Jazz play it safe.

In regards to my vocabulary, I have more education then you will ever have buddy.

[carrottop12]

The Jazz organization is not about winning a championship especially now that Larry Miller has passed away.

Utah Jazz, Milw. Bucks, Indiana Pacers, and the Hornets are small market teams just trying to get by while there are other teams trying to win championships. Admit it people, that is the way it is.

You literally have 0 basis for anything you just said.

[carrottop12]

But your whole theme of your thread here was that they are reactive....now that it's been obliterated by everybody, why are you changing the subject?

By the way, how old are you? Your poor choice of words and grammar makes me think you might not be out of junior high just yet. How about mixing in a "the" when talking about THE Jazz, not talking about Jazz....it's just annoying.

Im not changing the subject! The point of this thread is that there are certain teams that are pro-active (have a plan) to win a championship. The Lakers are a prime example. They traded an allstar center in Vlade to get a high schooler by the name of Kobe Bryant not to make the playoffs but to hopefully win championships in the future. The Jazz organization would have never taken that risk. Jazz play it safe.

In regards to my vocabulary, I have more education then you will ever have buddy.

The Lakers took a gamble picking up Kobe and they were just extremely lucky it panned out. Now, while I completely understand what you are saying with other teams being aggressive to win championships, not all teams are owned by the same people with nearly unlimited pay rolls. It's just the nature of the beast.

The Lakers are worth a full $200 million more then the Jazz. When you are worth that much, and make as much as they do you can afford to throw money at players. The Jazz can't take that risk.

There hasn't been one championship team in the past 26 years that doesn't have either the #1 pick on the team, or multiple top 5 picks on their roster. Every single champion over the past 25 years has had either the top pick in the draft, or multiple top 5 picks on their team.

Now days it's nearly impossible to pick up a top 5 pick in the draft unless you are willing to part with a proven superstar plus future first rounders, or have a terrible season. The Jazz have had one terrible season and gotten one top 5 pick in the past 25 years.

Also, don't confuse LA and SLC. LA is the top free agent destination in the entire league. Great weather, beautiful houses, beautiful people, great crowd, huge fan base etc. etc. You just don't have all that in SLC. Thats why the Lakers can get players like Shaq to sign there and the Jazz have a history of not being able to get the biggest free agent names.

By the way in the past 26 years do you know how many franchises have won championship rings?

7. That's right, 7 teams, out of the 30+ that have been around 7 have won. That's less then a quarter of the teams owning 100% of the rings.

It's not like the Jazz are some team in the minority that hasn't caught the train, the Jazz are on par or better that 75% of the league, and considering how small of a market SLC is, that is pretty damn amazing.

Also, look at all the other teams that have "plans" to win championships... Indiana never got theirs in the early part of the decade, Dallas is ringless and they've spent countless dollars. Portland hasn't won a ring in 30+ years, and your precious Knicks, how many rings are on their fingers?

Having a plan to win a ring doesn't mean **** unless you plan on tanking for multiple years to get top picks in the draft, and ask the Clippers and Hawks if that plan has helped them get out of the basement and into the champions circle.

You don't know what you are talking about Toledo so please stop.

[HolyToledo]

Maybe we agree Bat in the sense that small market teams in the NBA cannot win a championship bc of lack of funds and inability to get top notch free agents and/or retain their top notch free agents.

My point is these small market teams need to take major risks on players with suspect attitudes, style of play, and trades to have a chance, otherwise you get what the Jazz and Nuggets of the league which are good teams that cannot win the championship.

I think the Jazz are close to being a championship team and they are wasting that opportunity. How much would a veteran like Hamilton mean to this team in winning it this year. Jazz can have him guaranteed for Boozer and the swap of #1 picks (NYK pick). Maybe they throw in Daye whom looked good in the summer league. Safe way is to keep pick and play it out, but if your trying to win ONE championship then you do this trade. ONE championship is worth much more to me than 10 straight years of making the playoffs.