Rebuttal to "10 Reasons LeBron Could Consider New York"

[josemesaisdead]

I probably should be posting this article in the Knicks forum, but I'm finding it impossible to navigate these forums.

Anyway, you guys probably saw the above post, which was written on the Knicks page. We wrote a rebuttal, and I think it's worth reading because it shows that the RealGM article was bereft of basic logic. Obviously, some of the formatting referenced here is only available if you click the link.

http://www.josemesaisdead.com/post/1619 ... ic-fiction

"RealGM's Piece of Comic Fiction"

Earlier today, my boy Adlew Druz - Celtics madman and Boston transplant living in NYC - alerted me to an article on RealGM entitled “10 Reasons LeBron Could Choose New York”

Knowing that Tim would thoroughly enjoy the post, I forwarded it to him and then got the following response via email:

“OMFG…do you want to write about this tonight or should I? Maybe we split it up, and you take the top 5 and me the bottom 5 or something. But this has to be addressed. It’s too hilarious and full of holes not to.

“The 20-ppg potential of Danilo Gallinari” - laughing like I’m on nitrous oxide.”

We decided to split it up.

The link above takes you to the actual article, just so we can prove we’re not making this stuff up - but the whole thing is detailed below, along with our rebuttal. RealGM’s reasons are in italics.

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Tim here. Let’s start dismantling this monstrosity of logic from the top…

10. Cash. Over the same five years, LeBron would earn $4.14 million less signing with the Knicks than re-signing with the Cavs as a free-agent. The Cavs can offer an extra year, but there is little reason to think the security of a 6th season will be decisive. If LeBron put much value on security, he would have sought a longer-term contract in 2006 rather than the 3-year extension he did sign. If security is what he is after, LeBron would have already signed an extension this off-season. Given the relatively small difference between the Cavs’ and Knicks’ 5-year max offers – and given the mountain of endorsement dollars that could come LeBron’s way if he lands in New York – LeBron could have a significant financial incentive to sign with the Knicks.

I’ve got a couple of reactions to this. First, there’s truth to what’s being said about the dollar value difference between signing a max deal with the Cavs and a max deal with the Knicks. However, the rest of the paragraph tries WAY too hard to make the issue black and white. It wasn’t that LeBron didn’t want “security” when he signed the extension in 2006. He didn’t want to be locked into the possibility of playing for a crap team for the next 5-6 years.

At the end of the summer of 2006, this was Cleveland’s roster: Shannon Brown (drafted that summer), Boobie Gibson, Z, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes, Damon Jones, Dwayne Jones, Ira Newble, Pavs, Scott Pollard, Eric Snow, Andy Varejao, and David Wesley. Looking at that, can you really blame LeBron for not saying, “Yeah, looks great, guys. Sign me up for this through the prime of my career”? Quite frankly, the most encouraging sign that he will re-sign with the Cavs next summer is the fact that he didn’t bolt for greener pastures right then and there.

Second, I don’t know LeBron personally, but I’ve studied him enough over the course of the past six seasons to understand two things about him: first, he’s business savvy; second, he likes to be the center of attention. With the exception of the most narrow-minded Cleveland fanatics, everyone else on the planet basically agreed that there was very little real motivation for LBJ to sign an extension this summer - especially when you factor in that he could enjoy creating suspense for the next 10-11 months if he declined.

Third, I really need someone to show me some evidence of this “fact” about how much more money LeBron will make in endorsements if he plays in New York. I’m not saying that it can’t be true, but to me, the whole thing reeks of an old school worldview. LeBron has been playing in a small to mid-market for the past six years. It doesn’t seem to me that it’s hurt his global profile. According to Sports Illustrated, last year he was the third highest earner among all pro American athletes if you factor in salary and endorsements combined. He beat out the next highest-earning basketball player (Shaquille “Big Shark” O’Neal) by 20%. Lebron made $42M in comparison to Shaq’s $35M - which is even more impressive when you consider that Shaq’s salary was actually about $5.5M higher than Bron’s. So there was a delta of +$12.5M in endorsements to put Bron over the top.

[Sidebar: who was #1 on that list, you ask? Eldrick Woods with $99.7M. That’s right: Eldrick beat out LeBron by $57M! I seriously had to walk away from my computer for five minutes not to spin this entire column off its axis by just diverting into what a travesty that figure is. OK, back to business…]

Now I’m not saying for a moment that LeBron doesn’t want to be #1 on that list. But is moving to New York going to be the difference-maker? Who is NYC going to get him exclusive access to in order to make up that $60M / yr in endorsements - Duane Reade and D’Agostino?

I know that there are these rumors that Nike will pump some insane escalator into his contract if he goes to play in NYC, LA, or Chicago. But that seems less like actual economics and more like some pseudo-finance that a pack of Stephen A. Smith-led trolls from the tri-state area have circulated to try to poison the well. The reality is that LeBron is the biggest basketball star in the States and probably the world. I don’t care if he signs with Olympiakos next season (which, if you don’t believe me about his love of attention, is something he’s toyed with in the press), Nike and his other national / global sponsors are going to pay through the nose for him. So I’m not buying this argument based on thin air and a wink.

9. Talent. The Knicks’ roster, though young and unproven, has the 20-PPG potential of Danilo Gallinari, a two-way wing with upside like Wilson Chandler, and a scoring big in rookie Jordan Hill. All three have higher ceilings than any non-Lebron Cavs. A roster deep with quality role players but not elite talent (the most apt way to describe the Cavs minus LeBron) is only enough to give a great player what he needs to have a successful regular season. Winning in the playoffs requires finding another impact player who can help carry the load. The Knicks have the type of young players who can develop into major pieces next to a superstar and their salary cap is set up to allow the team to bid for other top free-agents in the near term.

This is by far my favorite of the arguments made. LeBron - a guy who, let’s not forget, literally has the word ‘Loyalty’ tattooed on his torso - is going to be unable to turn down the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to play with the following constellation of young stars:

Danilo Gallinari - in a Prefontaine-like feat of endurance and durability, Gallinari averaged 14.7 minutes per game in 28 total games in his rookie campaign. Given that sample size, his stats aren’t even worth analyzing.

Wilson Chandler - last season, per 36 minutes, he averaged 15.1 points and 6.0 rebounds on 43% shooting in the fastest-paced offense in the league. Put him anywhere else in the NBA and those numbers probably adjust to something like 12 points and 4.5 rebounds per 36 min. He’s a nice player, which is sort of like saying a girl you’ve just been set up with has a great personality.

Jordan Hill - HAS NOT PLAYED A GAME IN THE N.B.A. Billed by Knick fanatics as “the next Amare Stoudemire,” though ESPN analyst Chad Ford wrote today that he is really more like ”the next Dale Davis” (which sounds about right for the 8th pick in a weak draft).

Overall, I really wish RealGM had outlined this point on camera, because the only way he’d have been able to keep a straight face would be if he had training on how to resist hostage interrogation.

8. Attracting free-agents. LeBron may realize that getting future free-agents to follow him onto the big stage in New York would be easier than getting them to join him in Cleveland.

Here’s another thing that’s true: I may realize that going into work tomorrow would be more appealing if my office suddenly turned into Mad Men, i.e. my responsibilities would be to come in first thing in the morning wearing a dope suit, immediately begin drinking like it’s New Year’s Eve, shoot the breeze with a boss cool enough to make James Bond blush, dip out for a 3 hour lunch break to bone a ridiculously attractive 22 year-old secretary, lock myself in my swank office afterwards to take a nap, and know that when I came home my unbelievably attractive wife would have dinner waiting for me.

My point is: yes, in theory, this is correct. But reality ruins the party.

For the 800th time, free agents follow money first, winning / team compatibility second. In all but the most unlikely scenario (the economy recovers, the cap goes up, the Knicks manage to trade the contracts of both Jared Jeffries and Eddy Curry for expiring deals) Chad Ford argues that the Knicks will have, AT BEST, another $5-7M under the cap in 2010 to sign a second free agent alongside LeBron. Considering that even in this economy, a 32 year-old Hedo Turkoglu got a new deal for $11M / yr, that’s not much. And no elite free agents are going to take a drastic paycut just to live in NYC and play with LeBron. It’s just not happening.

This leads us into…

7. 2011. Much is made of the fact that Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries remain on the Knick books. Yet both contracts expire just one year later, freeing up $18 million of cap room that puts the Knicks in position to offer another max contract in 2011 when New York-born Carmelo Anthony is set to hit the free-agent market.
Here’s a translation of what was going on in “RealGM”s head when he wrote the above paragraph:

“Hey, I’ve already tried to sell our fan base the dream that Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, and Jordan Hill will be perennial All-Stars when 2 of the 3 have played fewer than 30 NBA games COMBINED. Deep down I realize that our cap situation in 2010 is in worse shape than Afghanistan, so…how about I sell them the dream that if we get LeBron in 2010, we can get Carmelo in 2011!”

The leap of logic required here is really fantastic. Not only is LeBron going to be enticed by the completely unproven potential of the players already on the team, he’s going to be REALLY enticed by the potential to get guys a year or two AFTER he’s signed. Hell, if they miss out on Carmelo, they could get Kevin Durant! And if 2011 doesn’t work out, put Derek Rose on the radar! Or how about Ricky Rubio? Sure, the Knicks could’ve traded for the 5th pick before the draft and already owned his rights, but I’m sure somewhere down the line they can trade for him without giving up anything. It’s New York! Everyone wants to see them succeed! Maybe David Stern will exempt the Knicks from the cap altogether just because they’ve had such a bad string of luck! By the time LeBron would want to re-up in 2014, it’ll be like an All-Star squad! Every player will have a max contract, but seats at the Garden will be free! They’ll give out college tuition instead of bobble-heads! The seats will be made of gold, and at halftime of the final game of the 2014 season, Israel and Palestine will join hands and pledge ever-lasting peace! EVERYTHING’S COMING UP ROSES IN NEW YORK CITY!!!

6. Mobley. Cuttino Mobley’s contract, 80% of which is covered by insurance, gives the Knicks a valuable trade chip the team can use to remove more salary from the 2010 ledger. Consider that the payout of $7.6 million of insurance for Mobley’s contract would more than offset Jeffries’ $6.9 million salary in 2010, and the Knicks could throw in an additional $3 million in the trade. The Knicks can make taking Jeffries’ contract off their hands very affordable for another club.

To be perfectly honest, I stared at this paragraph like it was a UFO for about 15 minutes: I don’t know what it means, I don’t know where it came from, and in all likelihood it’s a hoax.

After doing a little independent research, here’s what I can tell you: RealGM is just throwing numbers into some hazy financial gumbo meant to hide the fact that there’s nothing here to help the Knicks.

What RealGM seems to be proposing is that the Knicks package Cuttino Mobley’s contract with Jared Jeffries in a trade to another team. He thinks this would be an appealing financial deal because the $7.6M in insurance money that Mobley’s contract would pay out (since he’s retired due to a heart problem) would offset the $6.9M owed to Jeffries next season. Combine this with the fact that Donnie Walsh could also write a check for $3M, and the team making this deal stands to net $3.7M total.

However, the above scenario is complete mumbo-jumbo.

Jeffries’ contract is the albatross the Knicks are trying to jettison in this fantasy trade. He’s owed $6.9M in 2010-11, and thus, is a cap-killer for the Summer of LeBron. However, RealGM seems to want to forget that Jeffries is also owed over $6M in 2009-10. So even if this trade happens at the deadline in February, the receiving team still has to pay Jeffries about $3M for the remainder of that season. So in that case, the extra 3 mill that Walsh can allegedly throw into the deal basically washes Jeffries’ contract out for one year. Then, the insurance money from Mobley would come in next year and net the receiving team about $700,000 above what they have to pay Jeffries in 2010-11.

Here’s the problem: there’s a dollar for dollar equivalence required in NBA trades. Donnie Walsh can’t just GIVE these two contracts and $3M to another team without taking roughly the same amount of money back. If 80% of Mobley’s contract is insured, and that 80% comes out to $7.6M, then his actual contract for next year is worth $9.5M. So if RealGM’s trade were to happen tomorrow, the Knicks would have to take back somewhere in the neighborhood of $22.4M in salary. (Mobley’s $9.5M + $6M for Jeffries in 2009-10 + $6.9M for Jeffries in 2010-11.)

Even if we assume this trade doesn’t happen til the deadline, that number only drops to about $14.7M in pro-rated salary.

Regardless of the actual number, the issue is that Walsh would only want to trade Mobley and Jeffries for expiring contracts. THERE IS NO BASKETBALL VALUE FOR THE OTHER TEAM IN THIS TRADE. So if the only incentive is financial relief, and the only thing the Knicks want from the other team is expiring contracts…why the hell would the other team give up their own expiring contracts? For the prospect of making $700,000 net over the course of 1.5 - 2 seasons? Even if the receiving team gets that 700K as profit on its books, that accounting has nothing to do with the salary cap. So the receiving team is still stuck with Jared Jeffries eating up $7M in cap space for another year - and it’s highly questionable that that’s not enough of a deterrent on its own to make the 700K in real dollars not worth it.

Did you see how long it took to work that out truthfully? There’s a lesson here: any time a writer gives you a really concise but vague paragraph, it’s because they’re hiding something.

Also, I’m half-convinced that “RealGM” can only be either Isiah Thomas or one of the Paxsons. It’s about the only way one man could compile a list as unbelievably poorly-informed as this one.

OK, that’s all from me. Time for Mike to bring this monstrosity home….

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Mike: I’m writing this before reading Tim’s section, but I’m going to bet that he’s a lot funnier than I’m going to be.

Let me start then by saying I’m not a huge proponent of talking or writing about LeBron’s impending free agency unless we’re dealing in specifics as opposed to hypotheticals…actual impact instead of hysteria…because no one knows what’s going to happen in July of 2010, especially since none of us know what the NBA or the world will look like then.

That said, I’m going to betray that ideology somewhat in my writing here because this blog post is too batsh*t f*cking ridiculous not to pick apart.

5. Buyouts. If the Knicks are a few million dollars short of the cap room needed to offer a second max contract in 2010, look for Donnie Walsh to engineer a buyout of the 2010-2011 season on the contracts of Curry and/or Jeffries. Because this is the final year of these contracts, the Knicks would receive dollar-for-dollar cap relief on any buyout. For instance, offering 80% of the salary due on the last season of these two contracts would buy the Knicks more than $3.5 million of additional cap room.

This one I absolutely love. Can anyone really expect the agents of Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries to say, “You know what Donnie, we have a contract with your organization, but my guy isn’t really interested in making all of what he’s owed, and I could care less about my commission. Nobody’s getting paid right now, but so what? We’d all rather lose money and go on vacation, especially since no other team in the league is going to make a deal for our services.”

No player in this situation is walking away from any part of $11.3M (Curry) or $6.9M (Jeffries). Illogical.

Yes, Ben Wallace took a $10M buyout on a $14M contract, but he was contemplating retirement and therefore in a different headspace than Curry or Jeffries - plus, he was able to go “back home,” so to speak, and sign with the Pistons for $1.3M.

The Ben Wallace situation is not parallel to the Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries ones.

A better parallel is Stephon Marbury, who reportedly left only $2M on the table - out of $20.9M - to leave the Knicks and sign with the Celtics.

Buyouts happen with old guys, not with 27 and 28 year olds.

4. The salary cap. Since the NBA league office announced its projections that the salary cap will decline next season, several positive economic indicators were released showing that the recession may already have ended. If true, the NBA’s salary cap might not drop nearly as much as projected if it even drops at all. But because Danny Ferry signed Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon and Leon Powe to 2-year contracts, the Cavs will not have room for a second max free-agent next summer even if the cap goes up. It might therefore be a checkmate move if Walsh ekes out enough cap room to be able to offer two max contracts in 2010. LeBron’s decision might be between staying in Cleveland with the Cavs’ roster as is or jumping to New York with Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh.

This one is awesome, too. Now the NBA salary cap is tied to “economic indicators.” Do you think David Stern calls up Ben Bernake and says, “Hey Ben, what’re you guys doing with interest rates? Oh, you’re going to start to move them away from zero and back towards normal? Crap! We better up the salary cap!”

The quick answer is no.

I’m not a cap expert, but I do know that the number is based on league-wide revenue in the previous season. This means that the 2010-2011 cap will be determined by how much money the NBA pulls in during the 2009-2010 campaign.

Bear with me as I turn into Niall Ferguson for a second.

League-wide revenue is tied in part to consumer spending. Until people start buying lots and lots of stuff again, including things like season and single-game tickets, companies won’t have the funds to purchase corporate seats, there will be fewer ad dollars, smaller merchandise sales…you get the drift.

Consumer spending is the big thing most economists are worried about. When will the American consumer stop saving and start spending? Will they spend at the rate they once did? No one really knows.

The projected cap numbers for 2010-2011 are based on this data. I’m sure the league’s assuming the worst to make sure teams are as prepared as possible, but I don’t think anyone would foresee a miracle happening and the NBA beating every projection and making enough money this season for the cap to not drop significantly.

Chad Ford wrote earlier today on ESPN Insider that “cap gurus” are betting that the 2010-2011 cap will be $51M. That’s $13M less than the Knicks were hoping…in other words, not enough to get it done.

Ford gives a whole bunch of other reasons as to why it’s nearly impossible for the Knicks to have enough cap space to sign two max guys like Bron and Bosh, including the Knicks possibly not having enough money to field the minimum number of players if they did, but I don’t want to infringe on ESPN’s Insider policy any further than I probably already have by citing the term “cap gurus.”

The Cavs won’t have enough money to sign two max players in 2010. RealGM is right about that. Props. However, just to be clear, Powe is a team option for next year.

And, you never know, the Cavs could always buy out Moon and Parker (LOL).

3. The luxury tax. In New York, LeBron could be assured of joining an organization that would spare no expense in pursuit of multiple championships. Cavs’ ownership has never pulled back on spending but that could change. Dan Gilbert’s deal to bring in Chinese investment, spun as a bold marketing initiative, may have had more to do with cash reserves drying up. Once they’re out of cap room, the Knicks would never hesitate to use their mid-level exception, take on more and more salary each year and pay exorbitant luxury tax bills, to keep renewing LeBron’s supporting cast. The coffers at MSG are effectively bottomless.

There’s actually some logic behind this reason, which disappoints me greatly. Windhorst has mentioned that it’s believed the Cavs ran in the red last year, but that Gilbert was fine because other areas, like the Q arena deal, brought it all into the black.

Having said that, even if the Chinese investors are about “cash reserves drying up”, they’re still bringing in cash, so however it’s “spun” is basically irrelevant (and the hometown New York Times is one of the papers that characterized the deal in financial and marketing terms).

The evidence that Gilbert is going to stop spending, of course, doesn’t exist while the evidence that MSG will is all based, presumably, on past history…like the fact that the Knicks paid an amazing $45M in luxury tax dollars at the end of the ‘06-‘07 season.

In other words, I don’t doubt that the Knicks would be willing to spend a ton of money around LeBron - however, their horrible spending in the past has made it incredibly difficult to get to that point.

2. The Yankees. The Yankees have emerged as the best team in baseball and are poised for another championship run. At some point, CC Sabathia may confide to his good pal, one of the Yankees’ most famous fans, ‘There’s nothing like winning in New York.’

That this is the #2 reason is hysterical to me. The way it’s written is phenomenal too, since really it seems like the reason should be titled “There’s nothing like winning in New York,” which apparently C.C. Sabathia - who has not won anything in New York and won’t if he pitches like he did in the playoffs for the Indians - will communicate to LeBron at some undisclosed location.

I kind of want to debate whether or not the Yankees really have “emerged as the best team in baseball,” but it’s not worth doing here.

I will say this though. There’s nothing like winning in Cleveland either, since it’s practically never happened before.

1. The heart. Big life decisions like the one LeBron will have in less than a year are usually made more on emotion than cold reason. Is home where LeBron’s heart is or does he yearn for the spotlight of Broadway? We don’t know the answer to that yet. But last week, just before letting us know that he plans to become a free-agent after the coming season, LeBron said he is “not ashamed of anything in Cleveland.” Not exactly a ringing endorsement, especially in contrast to the reverential words LeBron used to describe how he feels stepping on the floor at Madison Square Garden. The worry for Cavs fans is that LeBron’s tone seems to be creeping closer to the ‘It’s not you, it’s me’ line of reasoning, an explanation vaguely reminiscent of ‘The heart wants what the heart wants.’

I’m almost tempted not to comment on this because emotional matters are easy to reason multiple ways. In this case, the New York fans that want to see Bron on their team will see everything he does as a sign he’s going to the Garden, and Cleveland fans who want to see him stay at home will see the opposite.

For instance, when Bron said that he “hopes to stay in Cleveland” Tony Kornheiser on PTI interpreted this as a sure sign he was going to New York (apparently to play for a lousy team, but we already wrote about all that). I would say it’s completely reasonable to take LeBron for his word with that statement - he hopes to stay in Cleveland but if something terrible happens, he’ll bolt.

Maybe Kornheiser and I can read this quote contrarily because of our emotions. Maybe it’s because we’re operating from different backgrounds and fields of logic. I’m not sure. I don’t know Tony, and I don’t LeBron. But I understand that the entire LeBron free agency circus is built upon the principles of suspense. There needs to be a certain level of plausibility to every option, or there’s no reason to wonder what will happen…

What LeBron has achieved, brilliantly really, is a 360 degree debate between the fans and the media, the fans and the fans, and the media and the media, with enough fodder for every side of the argument to throw back and forth at one another, creating an endless sort of news cycle all about where LeBron will go…this is marketing, my friends, and, even better, it’s all free.

The one thing I can guarantee about LeBron’s heart is that he feels pretty good about that.

[twenty23]

hey ball boy learn to read. and no on cares about this sh*t article.

ibtl

[RevMan26]

No one cares.

[TheOUTLAW]

Unfortunately as most other threads debating LeBron resigning with Cleveland, this is going to attract trolls. That being said, I will leave it open.

[Canomad]

i dont understand why lebron in his prime would want to go to a franchise with a loosing culture. money or no money when your great you want championships and the Knicks needs to learn how to snag an 8 seed let alone be a championship team.

[Roger Murdock]

My rebuttal for number 2 is that anyone who thinks the reason LeBron would leave the cavs for the Knicks is because of the Yankees is **** (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

[Gordon Bombay]

we dont need to rationalize why lebron will stay...the knicks apparently need the help of the yankees and danilo gallinari's "20 ppg potential"

[Manny Phresh]

I probably should be posting this article in the Knicks forum, but I'm finding it impossible to navigate these forums.

But you found the Cavaliers Board just fine didn't you???

[landphil]

lol so far these have all been pretty angry responses to this rebuttal, I at least enjoyed reading it. Obviously its not terribly important to prove stupidity wrong but it was a decent read i thought.

[moocow007]

I probably should be posting this article in the Knicks forum, but I'm finding it impossible to navigate these forums.

But you found the Cavaliers Board just fine didn't you???

My guess is he's smart enough to know what would happen if he posted this on the Knicks board.

[bcortell]

Here’s the problem: there’s a dollar for dollar equivalence required in NBA trades. Donnie Walsh can’t just GIVE these two contracts and $3M to another team without taking roughly the same amount of money back. If 80% of Mobley’s contract is insured, and that 80% comes out to $7.6M, then his actual contract for next year is worth $9.5M. So if RealGM’s trade were to happen tomorrow, the Knicks would have to take back somewhere in the neighborhood of $22.4M in salary. (Mobley’s $9.5M + $6M for Jeffries in 2009-10 + $6.9M for Jeffries in 2010-11.)

You only count the current year's salary in a trade, so the 6.9 mil for Jeffries wouldn't matter in calculating the trade.

[azuresou1]

Here’s another thing that’s true: I may realize that going into work tomorrow would be more appealing if my office suddenly turned into Mad Men, i.e. my responsibilities would be to come in first thing in the morning wearing a dope suit, immediately begin drinking like it’s New Year’s Eve, shoot the breeze with a boss cool enough to make James Bond blush, dip out for a 3 hour lunch break to bone a ridiculously attractive 22 year-old secretary, lock myself in my swank office afterwards to take a nap, and know that when I came home my unbelievably attractive wife would have dinner waiting for me.

Is that what Mad Men is? Damn, maybe I really should catch that show some time.

[Notorious23]

Louis Roxin AKA "knicksgod" on the New York board is a deluded homer. Dude is literally nuts. He talks to orange and purple birds and they tell him where Lebron will play.

[L&H_05]

The "MECCA" of basketball, and what is supposed to be the most knowledgeable basketball fans, New York, produces some of the biggest and dumbest morons I have seen discuss hoops..

They are not what they claim to be...

[Triumph36]

Louis Roxin AKA "kinicksgod" on the New York board is a deluded homer. Dude is literally nuts. He talks to orange and purple birds and they tell him where Lebron will play.

lol, knicksgod being louis roxin does not surprise me in the least.

and now I know who to thank for all of the knicks wiretap headlines that noone gives a **** about

[josemesaisdead]

you guys are funny - posting it over there now.

[Gordon Bombay]

you guys are funny - posting it over there now.

good luck buddy...they'll probably flame you for being a troll despite all the nonsense that we've had to put up with portions of their fanbase

[sCoTTYwIN]

rofl i cant wait til he bails on this crap team and this joke of a city and the universe realigns itself. yall are kidding if you think that LeBich gives a shyt about anyone in the state of Ohio but himself. once he leaves cleveland they will be broke as a joke (already are) and still won't have a ring. owned

I'm starting to believe that you are a joke account, but that''s warning number 2 for trolling.

[calibanPK]

^ Kids...

[prekazi]

^^Scotty, calm down, dude!