TT '09 - VINCECARTER4PRES wins!

[ecuhus1981]

2ND-ROUND ASSIGNMENTS

Alright, if you guys don't like this round, go ahead and hate me. I'm just about tapped out of fresh ideas that are balanced on both sides of the bracket. Also, you may disagree that any or all of these star players are on the trading block, but we should all at least admit that the rumor has been swirling over the summer. As T&T board posters, it's our obligation to feed off of this sort of speculation!

For this round, I don't want to provide as many restrictions, but star trades are inherently difficult. Remember that every proposal should work right now, should make sense for all parties. Also, I would be VERY WARY of making proposals where the team trading the superstar gives ANYTHING else of value, positive or negative. If you have any other questions, consult the old thread (especially this post), or ask a judge via this thread.

ASSIGNMENT # 1: vincecarter4pres (1) vs. mikero (9)
Get Amar'e Out of Phoenix

ASSIGNMENT # 2: legacyinthemakin89c (5) vs. sammydavis (4)
Get Wade Out of Miami

ASSIGNMENT # 3: RTM (3) vs. Sterncohen (6)
Get Johnson Out of Atlanta

ASSIGNMENT # 4: Poopdamoop (7) vs. SW567 (15)
Get Bosh Out of Toronto


THE DEADLINE IS THURSDAY, 8/27 AT MIDNIGHT ET. Judges will have until Sunday, 8/30 at midnight ET to grade the assignments.

[sterncohen]

What, if any, assumptions can we make about the player's willingness to sign an extension? Values are obviously very different depending on the answer to that question.

[ecuhus1981]

That's a good question, to which I don't have a great answer. I can tell you that some franchises are less likely than others to acquire any soon-to-be free agent via S&T, let alone a max-level type. These sorts of variables DO matter in this round.

[sammydavis]

"Make sure your trade works TODAY!"

Ecuhus, is this today the day of your OP here or the day we submit our trades?
I ask this because if I post a trade after 25 Aug involving e.g. Vince Carter and others, it will work - unless we agree that the date of the trade should be considered the date of your OP.

Thanks!

(PS: I think it's clear we are NOT discussing S&T here as this is not the 2010 offseason and none of the subjects have opted out yet. So I think the scenario is all about a trade NOW and we can all make assumptions about any extensions. If we decide that X team will trade for e.g. Bosh even without any assurances about an extension, fine. Just be prepared to see some feasibility points deducted. I don't think we can call a trade with a signed extension a S&T.
Still, these are quite hellish scenarios Ecuhus, exactly the kind of challenge the participants are supposed to tackle on the way to the TT title! )

[vincecarter4pres]

Round 2 - Assignment #1
Get Amar'e outta Phoenix!

Phoenix sends:
Amar'e Stoudamire

New Orleans sends:
David West
Antonio Daniels
Devin Brown
1st round pick

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5230261

Why for Phoenix?
We're going on the premise that Phoenix is shipping out Amar'e, so how do they do this?
They want to bring back either a talent for talent swap, or young prospects with some worth.
They go talent for talent in this deal. It's arguable how much better Amar'e is then David West and even though West is close to 2 years older, they have literally about the same mileage on their bodies and with all Amar'e's injuries, one can argue for West. They also get a 1st round pick back and the deal is almost exactly dollar for dollar salary neutral. They also only have 13 under contract as long as they buyout Pavs, so the 3 for 1 works as is.
West should work seemlessly with Nash and the rest of crew and has shown his fire and passion for the game. Phoenix just extended Nash and has J Rich under contract so they are still trying to compete at least for a few more seasons and West will allow them to do just that, especially when they don't even own their own pick next year.
He would be a good mentor for Clark as well and is on a very friendly contract and is young enough to extend 2 or 3 years and still get maximum production out of him

Why for New Orleans?
This deal is basically cap nuetral and should improve their roster. Yes Amar'e could walk, but wouldn't he love the chance to finish his career with CP3? I think so.
David West has been one half of the heart and soul of that team, but they have been willing to swap players to take the chance to improve, eveidenced by the Okafor for Chandler swap.
They could also use one more shot in the arm and dramatic change. This would be it. As seen in last year's playoffs they fizzled out and died and were flatout owned. Another major change could be the cure that the doctor has ordered.
Shinn has also recently said and shown he will "Cut no corners.", so they go for it.
Funny, just weeks ago I said NOH had no chance to be real contenders at all and had to blow it up completely, save Chris Paul and here they are two trades later looking like real contenders after maybe one more move for a bench player and/or better health out of Peja.
Amar'e should excel big time with the uptempo style of coach Scott and play of Paul and should fit in well on defense with Okafor, who can certainly help mask Amar'e's lack there of that and his subpar deficiency in the rebounding department.
Free's up time for Collison as well, with Daniels being shipped out.

On a final note, yes they are in conference and somewhat of rivals, but the trade is close to a talent for talent swap that helps both teams and benefits Phoenix long term financially and they are actually the team that looks, as has proven are, the more concerned about money.

[mikero]

Round 2 - Assignment #1
Get Amar'e outta Phoenix!


Suns get: Carlos Boozer, Javale McGee, CJ Miles, future 1st
Suns trade: Amar'e Stoudamire, Alando Tucker

Wiz get: Amar'e Stoudamire, Alando Tucker
Wiz trade: Caron Butler, Javale McGee, Mike James

Jazz get: Caron Butler, Mike James
Jazz trade: Carlos Boozer, CJ Miles, future 1st


Why for the Suns:
If the Suns are going to trade Amar'e, they are going to need a capable replacement (Boozer) and some assets for the future (Javale McGee, CJ Miles, future 1st). All three players seem to be great fits for the Phoenix run and gun style.

Nash/Dragic
Richardson/Barbosa
Hill/Dudley/Miles
Boozer/Clark/Frye
McGee/Amundson/Lopez

Why for the Wiz:
The Wiz look like they could be a darkhorse team this year in the east. They have plenty of outside scorers (Arenas, Foye, Miller, Jamison) but are missing a dominant bigman who can score inside. Amar'e fits the bill, and could help push the Wiz right alongside Orlando, Boston, and Cleveland.

Arenas/Foye/Crittenton
Miller/Young
Jamison/Stevenson/Tucker
Amar'e/Blatche
Haywood/Oberto

Why for the Jazz:
The Jazz are looking to move Boozer, and won't find any trades better than this. Jerry Sloan will love Butler's toughness.

Williams/Maynor/James
Brewer/Price
Butler/Korver
Millsap/Kirilenko
Okur/Koufos/Fesenko

[sterncohen]

Euchus, I’m about to violate just about every one of your rules (except for the part about the trade having to work right now – it does). I’ve failed at coming up with a reason for Atlanta to trade Joe Johnson this season, or a deal in which Johnson alone goes out that’s good for both the Hawks and the other team. So if my opponent can do that, he wins the round. But I do think that the big, unrealistic trade below – four teams, three All-Stars – actually leaves everybody better off at the end.

First the transaction, then the depth charts, then the rationale.

ATL in: Amare Stoudemire, Ronnie Brewer, Alando Tucker ($20.1M), 2010 Utah 1st
ATL out: Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, ($25.7M)

UTAH in: Joe Johnson, Leandro Barbosa, Reggie Evans, Quincy Douby ($27.3M)
UTAH out: Carlos Boozer, Ronnie Brewer, C.J. Miles, Matt Harpring, ($25.2M), 2010 Utah 1st

PHO in: Carlos Boozer, Josh Smith, C.J. Miles ($26.8M)
PHO out: Amare Stoudemire, Leandro Barbosa, Alando Tucker ($24.0M)

TOR in: Matt Harpring ($6.5M)
TOR out: Reggie Evans, Quincy Douby ($5.8M)

ATLANTA:
Horford / Pachulia
Stoudemire / Joe Smith
Marvin Williams / Mo Evans
Ronnie Brewer / Crawford
Bibby / Teague

UTAH:
Okur / Koufos
Millsap / Reggie Evans
Kirilenko / Korver
Joe Johnson / Barbosa
D. Williams / Barbosa / Maynor

PHOENIX:
Boozer / R. Lopez
Josh Smith / Frye
Hill / E. Clark
Richardson / C.J. Miles
Nash / Dragic / Banks

TORONTO:
Bargnani / Nesterovic
Bosh / Amir Johnson
Turkoglu / A. Wright
Bellinelli / DeRozan
Calderon / Jack

Why for Atlanta: Because the assignment said they have to trade Joe Johnson – presumably that means he’s going elsewhere after 2009-10. So they make a bold move for Amare, who would truly be the top dog on this team. They’ve got to give up Smith too, but they get back an athletic and underrated SG in Brewer, plus another first-rounder. The resulting lineup is young (except for Bibby), very athletic (except for Bibby), and at minimum a very exciting team to watch. And they save a bunch of money too.

Why for Utah: They solve their positional mess and their unhappy Boozer mess, and get back an All-Star in return, plus Barbosa to provide offense off the bench. Millsap gets the minutes, with Evans, a perfect Jerry Sloan kind of guy, to back him up.

Why for Phoenix: Re-signing Nash says they want to compete, but the current team isn’t going to make the playoffs. Boozer / Josh Smith / Hill / Richardson / Nash is a playoff team – a little undersized on the front line, but would you really rather see Robin Lopez or Channing Frye play 30 minutes a game than Boozer or Smith? And , if they can get Boozer to re-sign – likely for less than they’d have to pay Stoudemire – they have a chance to rebuild without hitting bottom.

Why for Toronto: Salary dump. They acquired Evans to save a little on salary, and when they got Amir Johnson Evans’s minutes disappeared. So they save a year’s salary by moving Evans for the expiring contract of Harpring, which may be partially paid by insurance to boot.

(My edit was correcting a typo in the Atlanta rationale.)

[RTM]

ASSIGNMENT # 3: RTM (3) vs. Sterncohen (6)
Get Johnson Out of Atlanta

Assuming Johnson were to decide he wants out of Atlanta, this is a trade that should be beneficial to both sides.

Atlanta Trades: Joe Johnson (extended)
Atlanta Gets: Andre Iguodala

Atlanta gets a younger replacement for Johnson. Iggy is a better athlete than JJ, who would fit in perfectly with Atlanta's other young great athletes (Marvin, Smith, Horford, Teague). They lose shooting, but between Bibby, Crawford, Williams and Teague, this shouldn't be a problem. Iggy is a beast physically, and would keep Atlanta just as competitive as they were with Johnson.

Bibby / Teague
Iguodala / Crawford
Williams / Evans
Smith / Smith
Horford / Pachulia / Morris

Philadelphia Trades: Andre Iguodala
Philadelphia Gets: Joe Johnson (extended)

This trade is all about fit for Philly. Johnson is a few years older, but he is an awesome outside shooter and has lots of PG skills that would be hugely important for a Philly team with no clear cut starting PG. His game doesn't duplicate that of Thad Young like Iggy's did, and he would seemingly be a much better fit with a healthy Brand. After giving Brand a big contract, it makes the most sense for Philly to upgrade their back court and try to compete, as their salary is high enough to justify it. Philly's defense doesn't drop off, as JJ is a very good defender, much like Iggy.

Williams / Ivey / Holiday
Johnson / Green
Young / Kapono
Brand / Speights / Smith
Dalembert / Brezec

[sammydavis]

ASSIGNMENT # 2: legacyinthemakin89c (5) vs. sammydavis (4)
Get Wade Out of Miami

First, there's no chance Wade gets traded UNLESS he categorically tells Riley he's gone at the end of the season. That still doesn't mean he'll pick up his player option though, so the receiving team must not sell the whole farm to get him - if they suck even with Wade on the team, he might be gone just as easily. So I had to find a team with enough assets to acquire Wade AND still remain competitive. Having 2010 cap room also helps. I thought of the Clips, Kings, and obviously the Thunder as they can all put together nice packages. But I settled on the Nets, knowing Ecuhus will go berserk...

MIA out: Wade, J.Jones, Quinn (21,16M total)
MIA in: Harris, Lee, Yi, Boone, Hassell, '10 DAL 1st, '11 GSW 1st (19,26M total)

Harris/Chalmers
Lee/Cook/Q
Beasley/Wright/Hassell/Diawara
Haslem/Yi
O'Neal/Anthony/Magloire

NJN out: Harris, Lee, Yi, Boone, Hassell, '10 DAL 1st, '11 GSW 1st (19,26M total)
NJN in: Wade, J.Jones, Quinn (21,16M total)

Alston/Dooling/Quinn
Wade/CDR
T.Williams/Hayes/Simmons/J.Jones
Najera/Battie
Lopez/S.Williams

MIA rebuilds on the fly knowing Wade would be gone and without him MIA is not such a great FA destination as with him. A Harris/Lee/Beasley foundation with a Chalmers/Yi/Boone bench is more than an adequate start, and they'd still have a huge amount of capspace in the offseason. As the Nets know they wouldn't have the chance to get Wade in a trade without Wade wanting out, Lopez and T.Will are off limits, but NJ tosses in 2 firsts and an additional 500k '10 capspace by including Jones and Hassell (Jones has a partially guaranteed contract, Hassell is a straight expiring).

The Nets remain somewhat competitive in '10 which is important to show Wade in order for him to either pick up his option or extend his contract (asap). Alston, Wade, Simmons, Najera, Dooling provide the necessary veteran presence and leadership to help CDR and TWill grow up. Wade has to think this team has more actual talent left in crucial positions than the Heat would in the offseason (CDR, TWill, Lopez, SWill vs. Chalmers, Beasley) with the same amount of capspace. I don't doubt Beasley's talent, but Lopez plays in a more pivotal position and he at least isn't in rehab...

Now, I know the Nets in their present state are in great shape for the '10 offseason, but if there's a chance to get one of the game's real superstars, one has to do it and absolutely mustn't stand pat. Scoring might still be an issue as they trade away their leading scorer along with 2 potential 14 point scorers (Lee, Yi), but they get a 30 point scorer, so all they have to do is have Lopez up his game to around 15-16 pts and get decent production from TWill and CDR. Alston will get his 10, Dooling too, the biggest question mark is PF - but they have the space to trade for Boozer...

Hope legacyinthemakin gets his trade in on time, good luck and happy trading to everyone!

[legacyinthemakin89c]

Hey sorry, my internet was down.

Miami Trades:
Dwayne Wade
Mario Chalmers

Miami Receives:
Brook Lopez
Devin Harris
Tony Battie

New Jersey Trades:
Brook Lopez
Devin Harris
Tony Battie

New Jersey Receives:
Dwayne Wade
Mario Chalmers

Why for Miami:
If they have to get rid of Wade, they can't get better value then this. They get an all-star point guard and a great young big man. Battie is an expiring contract.

Why for New Jersey:
They get Wade, a top 3 player in the league and considering Wade is like best friends with half the free agent class of 2010, so this makes them more attractive to get a major player. This is all assuming Wade will sign an extension, or else no way New Jersey does it. They also get Chalmers, who was a can start next to Wade on a playoff team.

[poopdamoop]

ASSIGNMENT # 4: Poopdamoop (7) vs. SW567 (15)
Get Bosh Out of Toronto

This is pretty out there, at least from what I've seen, but what the hell, risks are fun.

Toronto trades: Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon, Marcus Banks
Toronto receives: Tony Parker, Samuel Dalembert, Michael Finley, Dejuan Blair, 2011 Spurs 1st rounder, lotto protected 2010 Sixers 1st rounder

WHY: Even if Bosh wants out, Toronto is still tired up in long term contracts to guys like Hedo, Calderon, even Bargnani and now Jarrett Jack. If Bosh has to be moved, at least this way Toronto can get a bonafide star back in Parker, who will give them a slashing paint presence from the guard positions and be a good leader for a young European team (not the reason for doing the deal, just a coincidence that would occur after). They also move Calderon's long term contract and Banks' terrible deal for a true defensive center to play next to Bargnani and a rebounding machine to help off the bench in Blair. They get a veteran expiring in Finley as well as two first round picks to help add some cheap talent. Not amazing value, but for an unsigned Bosh I can't see Toronto getting anything better than this back.

Parker/Jack/Douby(cut)
Derozan/Bellinelli/Finley
Turkoglu/Wright/Weems(cut)
Bargnani/Blair/Evans
Dalembert/Nesterovic/Johnson/O'Bryant

A small trade could be worked out after to send some of their surplus big men for some guards.


San Antonio trades: Tony Parker, Michael Finley, Dejuan Blair, Marcus Williams, 2011 1st Rounder
San Antonio receives: Chris Bosh, Louis Williams

WHY: San Antonio goes for it all. A frontline of RJeff/Bosh/Duncan is probably the best in the league and would dominate teams in the paint and on the glass, while still having Ginobili off the bench for additional firepower. It hurts giving up Parker, but they get a similar player in Louis Williams, who would come for very cheap after his subpar 09 campaign, but would provide some replacement slashing and playmaking. They'd become instant title favorites with this deal, and Duncan could groom Bosh as his replacement. Chris would be in his homestate, playing for a championship contender, and starting next to one of the greatest players of all time, so I think there's no way he would leave a situation as good as this.

Williams/Hill
Mason/Ginobili
Jefferson/Ginobili
Bosh/McDyess
Duncan/Bonner

They can also make a move to touch up their guard rotation, but that team is easily a title favorite.


Philadelphia trades: Louis Williams, Samuel Dalembert, lotto protected 1st rounder
Philadelphia receives: Jose Calderon, Marcus Banks.

WHY: Philadelphia gets the perfect point guard for their team. Calderon would space the floor for their athletes, wouldn't demand the ball for too many shots, and would make sure Iggy, Thad, and Brand get their touches. His contract is very fair, and can easily be moved if Holiday appears ready to take over in a couple years. They downgrade from Dalembert's ugly contract to Banks' slightly less ugly deal, and make room for Speights. They do lose a nice piece in Williams and a 1st rounder, but it's worth it to get out of some bad deals and get some better fits in their rotation.

Calderon/Holiday/Banks
Iguodala/Green
Young/Kapono
Brand/Young
Speights/Smith

[SW567]

ASSIGNMENT # 4: Poopdamoop (7) vs. SW567 (15)
Get Bosh Out of Toronto

Toronto Raptors:
Incoming - Joakim Noah, Tyrus Thomas, John Salmons
Outgoing - Chris Bosh, Patrick O'Bryant, Quincy Douby, 2010 2nd round pick, 2011 1st round pick (lottery protected)

Chicago Bulls:
Incoming - Chris Bosh, Patrick O'Bryant, Quincy Douby, 2010 2nd round pick, 2011 1st round pick (lottery protected)
Outgoing - Joakim Noah, Tyrus Thomas, John Salmons

[ecuhus1981]

Alright, all 8 contestants got their proposals in on time. Kudos. With a bit of luck, I should have some time to complete my grades tomorrow morning.

[CellarDoor]

VC v. Mike

First of all, I don't like either proposal. Just getting that out of the way

VC4Pres
The issue here is that New Orlean's is giving up their best value for a guy they either won't retain or that will cost them a max deal. I'm not sure they're going to pay CP3, Peja, Posey, Okafor and Amare next year. That's too much to ask. The value is decent though.

Mikero
Washington is overpaying for Amare, and the Jazz are getting a lot for a likely 1 year rental of Boozer. Miles isn't a throw-in and Mcgee holds a lot of value, so Phoenix is probably getting too much.

What we're left with is one deal that's not feasible, and one deal where the value is off. I'm going to go with VC4Pres here.
(Arbitrary scores to satisfy the commisioner)

VC4P Originality--7
VC4P Effectiveness--8
VC4P Feasibility--3

Mikero Originality--7
Mikero Effectiveness--4
Mikero Feasibility--6

Legacy v Sammy
I can't believe Legacy traded Brook in a competition with Euchus and another Nets fan judging. No matter hawhat I say you're probably getting disqualified.

Joking aside, Legacy's trade gives the Nets approximate 9,000 wings and no true Cs (Boone is a PF IMO). I'm not of the mind that Sammy's trade is full value for wade (i'd probably have given NJ 2010 or 2011 instead of the GSW pick, but its much more likely than Legacy's trade imo.

Legacy Originality--3 (Sammy's trade was posted first, should have found another team)
Legacy Effectiveness--6
Legacy Feasibility--4
Euchus' head exploded possibility--4654256482352

Sammy Originality--7
Sammy Effectiveness--6
Sammy Feasibility--5

RTM v Stern
Not going into too much depth here. Stern's trade is pretty bad value for ATL and very good for PHO. RTM's trade is original and has the benefit of fitting both teams beautifully (and being less complicated)
RTM Originality--6
RTM Effectiveness--6
RTM Feasibility--4

Stern Originality--7
Stern Effectiveness--4
Stern Feasibility--2

Poop v. SW
We're faced with a somewhat convoluted trade (to be nice) and a somewhat unoriginal trade (to be INCREDIBLY nice)

Poop-- this sounds strange, but I think that 2011 1st is going to make the Spurs think twice. That's a declining Duncan and Bosh, no Parker, and who knows if Ginobili is there and if so how much more his body is taking. For the 6ers, that's a horrendous front court rotation.

SW--I'm a Bulls fan...the trade's alright except that we can sign Chris next year. If he wants out I've got no reason to believe he's not looking at Chicago as a top destination. As I said, it's incredibly unoriginal too.

Poop Originality--8
Poop Effectiveness--5
Poop Feasilbility--3

SW Originality--1
SW Effectiveness--7
SW Feasibility--6

[ecuhus1981]

2ND-ROUND SCORES

ASSIGNMENT # 1: vincecarter4pres (1) vs. mikero (9)
Get Amar'e Out of Phoenix

Phoenix sends: Amar'e Stoudamire
New Orleans sends: David West, Antonio Daniels, Devin Brown, 1st round pick

I feel that STAT and Chandler could have worked together decently, but Amar’e and EO40 just don’t mesh IMO (whereas Emeka and David will). On paper, their strengths and weaknesses complement each other well, I’ll give you that. But both are better suited operating in the low post as undersized Cs, and their ideal paces are polar opposites. Also, NOH figures to be dangerously close to the luxury tax for the next 3 years; West’s down-scaling, reasonable contract helps relieve some of that pressure, but Amar’e (who would need an up-scaling max extension) would worsen matters. I like it for PHX, but I don’t feel it improves the Hornets.
ORIGINALITY: 6
FEASIBILITY: 5
EFFECTIVENESS: 4

Suns get: Carlos Boozer, Javale McGee, CJ Miles, future 1st
Suns trade: Amar'e Stoudamire, Alando Tucker

I like the originality, but it’s too good to be true for PHX. I could see the difference between Stoudemire and Boozer being EITHER McGee OR Miles/1st, but not both. WAS won’t trade for Boozer unless they can move Jamison(who is NOT a SF) in the process. Also, Caron is worth slightly more than Boozer, so adding McGee makes it too pricey for Carlos. UTA doesn’t get jobbed, but the 1st is asking a bit much. If the Suns’ incoming package were Boozer/Blatche/Miles (no 1st), I would’ve scored it better. But the overall structure has merit.
ORIGINALITY: 7
FEASIBILITY: 5
EFFECTIVENESS: 5



ASSIGNMENT # 2: legacyinthemakin89c (5) vs. sammydavis (4)
Get Wade Out of Miami

Miami Trades: Dwayne Wade, Mario Chalmers
Miami Receives: Brook Lopez, Devin Harris, Tony Battie

Chalmers helps cushion the loss of Harris, but nothing in this proposal can cover the loss of Brook. I’m speaking not as myself, but as I know the Nets FO believe: he is valued by NJ the way Portland value’s Oden. Would the Blazers trade Roy and Oden for Wade and Mario? I don’t think so. The raw value in this deal is pretty fair, but whenever a team trades an elite young true two-way C, feasibility takes a hit.
ORIGINALITY: 7
FEASIBILITY: 2
EFFECTIVENESS: 4

MIA out: Wade, J.Jones, Quinn (21,16M total)
MIA in: Harris, Lee, Yi, Boone, Hassell, '10 DAL 1st, '11 GSW 1st (19,26M total)

Hmm… Well, I’m going to try to be as objective as possible. I don’t hate it. The Nets pay through the nose, but Dwyane is a rare talent in his prime. It’s feasible that the Nets could re-sign Wade and lure another max FA, with room left under the cap to fill out their roster with a few decent role-players. For MIA, it has to be considered making the most out of a bad (HYPOTHETICAL) situation. A 26yo All-Star, three quality prospects and two picks is pretty stellar return.
ORIGINALITY: 8
FEASIBILITY: 5
EFFECTIVENESS: 6



ASSIGNMENT # 3: RTM (3) vs. sterncohen (6)
Get Johnson Out of Atlanta

Atlanta Trades: Joe Johnson (extended)
Atlanta Gets: Andre Iguodala

First of all, teams don’t normally swap go-to players. You see deals like the Chandler-Okafor one, but those are 3rd-option players. Moving one franchise player for another straight-up is almost an admission of a GM’s incompetence in building around his star. Also, I’m not sure the trade helps either team. I don’t like Iggy as a SG in Atlanta anymore than I do in Philly, and Joe is looking for a max extension, while the Sixers are sidestepping any and all moves that add salary.
ORIGINALITY: 6
FEASIBILITY: 3
EFFECTIVENESS: 4

ATL in: Amare Stoudemire, Ronnie Brewer, Alando Tucker, 2010 Utah 1st
ATL out: Joe Johnson, Josh Smith

The idea isn’t bad, but I’m not sure Amar’e is the right piece in Atlanta. After all, he’s going ot need a max extension just like Joe, and Johnson is a far better fit IMO. Would STAT and Horford get in each other’s way? Are Bibby and Crawford good enough at distributing to involve their two bigmen??? I like the young SG-SF-PF lineup of Brewer, Williams and Horford, but this deal would be better served if ATL could lure a full-sized legit young C into the mix. Also, I think UTA would rather keep Harpring, and the Barbosa-Miles swap would be vetoed by both the Suns and Jazz, IMO.
ORIGINALITY: 6
FEASIBILITY: 4
EFFECTIVENESS: 4



ASSIGNMENT # 4: Poopdamoop (7) vs. SW567 (15): Get Bosh Out of Toronto

Toronto trades: Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon, Marcus Banks
Toronto receives: Tony Parker, Samuel Dalembert, Michael Finley, Dejuan Blair, 2011 Spurs 1st rounder, lotto protected 2010 Sixers 1st rounder

I really like it. IMO, a dribble-driving PG and a finishing C are much better fits alongside Hedo and Bargs. It gives the Raptors a more streamlined payroll, but keeps them very competitive, IMO. Are Tony and Jarrett redundant? Do the two 1sts and Blair make it too sweet for TOR? Eh, maybe. But overall, good job.
ORIGINALITY: 8
FEASIBILITY: 7
EFFECTIVENESS: 8

Toronto Raptors: Incoming - Joakim Noah, Tyrus Thomas, John Salmons
Outgoing - Chris Bosh, Patrick O'Bryant, Quincy Douby, 2010 2nd, 2011 1st

This is probably fair value for Bosh, but moving Noah is cost-prohibitive for CHI. If you had removed the picks from TOR’s outgoing (who trades their All-Star AND adds picks?!?!) and give Gibson instead, it might be feasible, although weak in value return for the Raptors. I’m not at all sold on Joakim as a franchise C, but the Bulls simply can’t go into the season with Miller and James as their best C options.
ORIGINALITY: 6
FEASIBILITY: 4
EFFECTIVENESS: 5

[CellarDoor]

Euchus did you just compare Devin to Brandon Roy?

[legacyinthemakin89c]

Euchus did you just compare Devin to Brandon Roy?

Yeah after that comment, I actually hope I'm not a part of this competition any more. I literally could have done Boone, Yi and Battie for Wade and I probably would have won, but you have to give to get and to get a top 3 player in the league who has proven his worth on every stage of the game, you have to give a lot and honestly, a guy who has made one all star game and young big man prospect is fair value for that.

[ecuhus1981]

Euchus did you just compare Devin to Brandon Roy?

It's ecuhus, and for the purposes of illustrating a point, yes. A young All-Star guard and an elite young C is an awfully steep price to pay for a player who has every right to leave of his own accord after a year. Sure, NJ would be able to pay him ~$30mil more over the course of his 6-year deal than any other team, but there is still tangible risk involved in the transaction.

I have said it before, and I feel it is indicative of the opinion of the Nets FO and fanbase: Brook Lopez is a 21/10/3/1/2 guy in the offing. I can count on one hand the number of players for whom, if they were on one-year contracts, I'd deal Brook alone. I can't conceive of such a situation that would necessitate trading both he and Devin.

Yeah after that comment, I actually hope I'm not a part of this competition any more. I literally could have done Boone, Yi and Battie for Wade and I probably would have won, but you have to give to get and to get a top 3 player in the league who has proven his worth on every stage of the game, you have to give a lot and honestly, a guy who has made one all star game and young big man prospect is fair value for that.

I'm glad you're re-thinking your priorities.

I understand that the value exchange in your deal is fair, and I understand that the NBA is a superstar league. Trading up is a winning proposition, more often than not.

Let me put it in a Detroit fan's perspective: would you trade Prince and Stuckey for Boozer?

He's no Wade, but Prince is no Harris, and Stuckey is no Lopez. Carlos is a proven 21/10 two-time All-Star PF who can "play the market" in free agency next summer and potentially leave you high-and-dry next summer, although you can offer him more money than any other team. The downside is that you just strengthened what was already your deepest position (PF), and weakened two positions (SF and PG) that are already thin on your roster. To keep the parallels between the two deals running, let's say the Jazz throw in Maynor. Would you do it?

Don't misunderstand me: Wade is a greater player than either Harris or Lopez will ever be. But on our team, moving our franchise PG and C without getting at least legit placeholders t those positions in return makes us worse, no matter who we get in the trade. THAT'S why I gave you the grade I gave you, and I stand behind it. Luckily, I am only one judge, and if the others feel differently about your proposal and it is vindicated, then the system works.

As a team:

Harris-Lee-Williams-Jianlian-Lopez >>> Dooling-Wade-Williams-Jianlian-Battie

Stuckey-Hamilton-Prince-Villanueva-Brown >>> Maynor-Gordon-Hamilton-Boozer-Brown

[legacyinthemakin89c]

Chalmers can play the point next to Wade. He proved that as a freaking rookie. Yes you lose size, but if I'm Lebron or Bosh or Amare, I would much rather come to a team with Wade and Chalmers then Harris and Lopez. I also stated that my entire trade was based on the idea that Wade would sign an extension, so they wouldn't get screwed over.

[ecuhus1981]

I also stated that my entire trade was based on the idea that Wade would sign an extension, so they wouldn't get screwed over.

I am glad you mentioned this specifically, because it was one minor point that I noted, but did not address.

The sort of under-the-table extension agreement you described does happen before trades from time to time (most recently with KG). It is technically collusion, but more importantly, it is not legally binding. The difference here is that Garnett was at a period in his contract where he could sign an extension at any time, and was willing to do so with the Celtics. Wade could say anything he wanted to NJ now, and not have to adhere to it next summer, if he really wanted out of Miami badly enough to go to NJ. Not to mention, it is my understanding that Wade wants the Heat to build a contender around him BEFORE he signs an extension. What is trading him to a worse team going to change about this, except possibly harden his stance?

These proposals are not supposed to reflect the value of the player involved if he were extended.