Danny Ferry - GM of the Year

[jnester71]

nobody was available is an excuse Cavs fans like to use a lot..

Amare Stoudamire was being dangled though...

I guess you didn't really want him if Wally was shooting lights out..
Wally was shooting lights out?
thats crazy man.. If he had made 40 in a row he still would have been expendable..

lots of players were available at last years deadline.. Vince Carter, Jermaine O'neal, Shawn Marion, just to name a couple
Chauncey Billups went a little earlier for cap space..


like I said earlier.. Ferry had it easy and made nothing happen

when your owner says he will spend the money
when more than half the teams in the league are either borrowing money or aiming for cap space for 2010..
when you have that giant expiring contract

there is no doubt you got calls from every one of the teams looking to save cash.
its like the fish were jumping in Ferry's boat

if he could have improved the team just slightly at the deadline.. just slightly..
we wind up playing for a championship...

that kind of opportunity is rare..
it should not be just chalked up and forgotten... you might think we'll have a bunch more of those chances with LeBron but only time is gonna tell if thats true

not making something happen when his team was so close far outweighs something like "he stole DeLonte West"..
because stealing Delonte West means nothing unless you capitalize on it!!

its about winning a title for LeBron, not just being good

Ferry could have also had Shaq at the deadline... that move works now but didn't then?

you can say that the deal was different then.. but Ferry was holding the best cards..

he could have and should have played his hand differently


lead with your aces

[LebronsCavs]

Criticizing Ferry for bringing in established players is revisionist history. Fact is the Cavs have never had many really good assets to attempt to get good players and LeBron was just too good too fast for the team to have good picks.

huh? Wally's expiring contract was the 2nd most valuable asset in the league last year (behind Raef's) and Ferry let it expire so he could give Anderson 'Can't Throw it in the Ocean' Varajao $60m over 5 years.

Did anyone else even want that guy? How does he pull that kind of coin after D12 absolutely tooled on him in the playoffs? Ferry paid 2-3x what AV is worth, while guys like Shawn Marion and Trevor Ariza sign for less elsewhere.

He coulda had anyone he wanted for Wally last winter considering it was the height of the economic collapse, but instead he sits on his hands and ends up with Varajao, Moon and Parker with Wally's cap cleard space. Talk about trading a dollar for 3 quarters......

Great post. Ferry really hasnt done a good job at all, he has done a mediocre job at best.

[D-WestFan]

Uhm, dont talk if you dont know ****...

They wouldnt do the shaq trade last year; they wanted wally not ben

also

nobody else would trade us talent for wally because we were already stacked, thats why we couldnt get RJ..

[TheOUTLAW]

I really didn't want RJ or JO or most of the people that people wanted to give us. I thought Vince would have been a good fit, but from what I've been told the Nets wouldn't do that deal with us.

[InBoobieWeTrust]

huh? Wally's expiring contract was the 2nd most valuable asset in the league last year (behind Raef's)

Then it shouldn't surprise you that the Cavs didn't trade it. Raef Lafrentz' insurance covered contract didn't even get moved. Expirings didn't have as much value at the deadline last year because the cap situations didn't look as grim as they do now. The Cavs had no options for Wally's expiring contract. They tried to get Jamison---Washington said no. They tried to get RJ---Milwaukee refuses to salary dump with us again. They tried to get VC----NJ wasn't trading him last year(they still had 8th seed hopes+wanted much more than an expiring). They tried to get Shaq----Kerr tried to get Delonte and Hickson..Sarver hadn't ordered the pay-cuts yet. Didn't happen. Tried to get Salmons+Camby in a 3-way deal......Sacramento made a trade with Chicago in the process of our talks.

and Ferry let it expire so he could give Anderson 'Can't Throw it in the Ocean' Varajao $60m over 5 years.
Did anyone else even want that guy? How does he pull that kind of coin after D12 absolutely tooled on him in the playoffs? Ferry paid 2-3x what AV is worth, while guys like Shawn Marion and Trevor Ariza sign for less elsewhere.

It's actually 42.5 million over SIX years with hard to reach incentives(average a double double..become an all-star to name a few) that could push it to 50 million. Try getting your facts straight before you spew your garbage on this forum. Let's take a looksie at the numbers for a second as well. Trevor Ariza signed a 5 year deal worth the full MLE....starting at 5.8 million with maximum raises...making it 5 years, 34 million. If you tacked on a 6th year with a similar raise to Ariza's contract, you have 6 years, 42.5 million dollars. Oh look, Anderson Varejao basically signed a mid-level contract. Who'da thunk it...a mid-level player getting a mid-level contract....unbelieveable!

Varejao's 6th and final year is only partially guaranteed as well, so it essentially is a MLE deal, maybe a tiny bit more guaranteed money. (AV might have 36M guaranteed instead of 34)

He coulda had anyone he wanted for Wally last winter considering it was the height of the economic collapse, but instead he sits on his hands and ends up with Varajao, Moon and Parker with Wally's cap cleard space. Talk about trading a dollar for 3 quarters......

Again, no he couldn't have had anything he wanted. How many salary dumps were made at the deadline? That's right, close to none. There's a reason all the players we talked about at the deadline didn't get traded until this summer....the end of the season financial reports came in and the owners finally put their foots down and sold them for pennies on the dollar, while their GM's were asking for much more than just expirings at the deadline.

And the Cavs would have kept Varejao and spent their entire MLE even if we would have traded Wally last year. We didn't let him expire to clear money, we let him expire because there wasn't a good offer on the table to move him.

[Furrski]

Yes! InBoobieWeTrust shoots! He scores! This is the worst thread ever assembled, way to put the Ferry haters on blast, my man!


For all the talk of Andy demanding a ten plus million dollar a year contract, we sign him reasonably, yet fairly, and Danny Ferry needed fired for a poor offseason?

[B Mac]

Nice IBWT. Some people just have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, but yet think they know more about our organization than we do. Go back to retirement village ddubb.

[Gordon Bombay]

huh? Wally's expiring contract was the 2nd most valuable asset in the league last year (behind Raef's)

Then it shouldn't surprise you that the Cavs didn't trade it. Raef Lafrentz' insurance covered contract didn't even get moved. Expirings didn't have as much value at the deadline last year because the cap situations didn't look as grim as they do now. The Cavs had no options for Wally's expiring contract. They tried to get Jamison---Washington said no. They tried to get RJ---Milwaukee refuses to salary dump with us again. They tried to get VC----NJ wasn't trading him last year(they still had 8th seed hopes+wanted much more than an expiring). They tried to get Shaq----Kerr tried to get Delonte and Hickson..Sarver hadn't ordered the pay-cuts yet. Didn't happen. Tried to get Salmons+Camby in a 3-way deal......Sacramento made a trade with Chicago in the process of our talks.

and Ferry let it expire so he could give Anderson 'Can't Throw it in the Ocean' Varajao $60m over 5 years.
Did anyone else even want that guy? How does he pull that kind of coin after D12 absolutely tooled on him in the playoffs? Ferry paid 2-3x what AV is worth, while guys like Shawn Marion and Trevor Ariza sign for less elsewhere.

It's actually 42.5 million over SIX years with hard to reach incentives(average a double double..become an all-star to name a few) that could push it to 50 million. Try getting your facts straight before you spew your garbage on this forum. Let's take a looksie at the numbers for a second as well. Trevor Ariza signed a 5 year deal worth the full MLE....starting at 5.8 million with maximum raises...making it 5 years, 34 million. If you tacked on a 6th year with a similar raise to Ariza's contract, you have 6 years, 42.5 million dollars. Oh look, Anderson Varejao basically signed a mid-level contract. Who'da thunk it...a mid-level player getting a mid-level contract....unbelieveable!

Varejao's 6th and final year is only partially guaranteed as well, so it essentially is a MLE deal, maybe a tiny bit more guaranteed money. (AV might have 36M guaranteed instead of 34)

He coulda had anyone he wanted for Wally last winter considering it was the height of the economic collapse, but instead he sits on his hands and ends up with Varajao, Moon and Parker with Wally's cap cleard space. Talk about trading a dollar for 3 quarters......

Again, no he couldn't have had anything he wanted. How many salary dumps were made at the deadline? That's right, close to none. There's a reason all the players we talked about at the deadline didn't get traded until this summer....the end of the season financial reports came in and the owners finally put their foots down and sold them for pennies on the dollar, while their GM's were asking for much more than just expirings at the deadline.

And the Cavs would have kept Varejao and spent their entire MLE even if we would have traded Wally last year. We didn't let him expire to clear money, we let him expire because there wasn't a good offer on the table to move him.

id rep you if this was rcf, but since there is no such function on here, you get a bunch of these

[eyejayem]

So at the trade deadline, I know I hope for the best so: Does Bosh demand a trade to Cle, we go after Troy Murphy, or Antawn Jamison? Thats pretty much what I think it comes down to.

[eyejayem]

Actually, if we can't offer a max deal and now we have all these deals ending in 2011. Would we start looking at 2011 contracts? If so I think we should definately do a trade like Andrei Kirilenko and Knicks #1(Protected) for Zydrunas(Buy out),Jamarion Moon, 1st. If that is too much then their 1st without adding ours and possibly just filler instead of Moon.

In this scenario Utah can resign Boozer or trade him and still not be hancuffed next year because of AK's contract. Cavs on the other hand get a perfect PF/SF who fits between Lebron and Shaq. A defense 1st player who also does everything and Brown would be drooling over.

[BballTechnique]

Uhm, dont talk if you dont know ****...

They wouldnt do the shaq trade last year; they wanted wally not ben

also

nobody else would trade us talent for wally because we were already stacked, thats why we couldnt get RJ..

The Spurs are even more stacked than the Cavs. Houston wanted to sign and trade Artest to the Lakers. Orlando is stacked and they just got VC.

Ferry's done an okay job not great but not horrible either. He hasn't made any horrible trades like Battier for Rudy Gay, Caron Butler for Kwame Brown, Mayo for Love, Aldridge for Thomas, or Roy for Foye nor has he made the blockbusters the Lakers, Nuggets, and Magic have. This offseason was by far his best yet though.

If the Cavs still had Boozer they might be champs by now though.

[TheOUTLAW]

Actually, if we can't offer a max deal and now we have all these deals ending in 2011. Would we start looking at 2011 contracts? If so I think we should definately do a trade like Andrei Kirilenko and Knicks #1(Protected) for Zydrunas(Buy out),Jamarion Moon, 1st. If that is too much then their 1st without adding ours and possibly just filler instead of Moon.

In this scenario Utah can resign Boozer or trade him and still not be hancuffed next year because of AK's contract. Cavs on the other hand get a perfect PF/SF who fits between Lebron and Shaq. A defense 1st player who also does everything and Brown would be drooling over.

If we can get Kirilenko I think we significantly improve the Cavs. He's the guy that I think we should be pursuing.

[BballTechnique]

It's actually 42.5 million over SIX years with hard to reach incentives(average a double double..become an all-star to name a few) that could push it to 50 million. Try getting your facts straight before you spew your garbage on this forum. Let's take a looksie at the numbers for a second as well. Trevor Ariza signed a 5 year deal worth the full MLE....starting at 5.8 million with maximum raises...making it 5 years, 34 million. If you tacked on a 6th year with a similar raise to Ariza's contract, you have 6 years, 42.5 million dollars. Oh look, Anderson Varejao basically signed a mid-level contract. Who'da thunk it...a mid-level player getting a mid-level contract....unbelieveable!

1. Ariza's ceiling is considerably higher than Andy's. Arguably, Ariza is already the superior player.
2. Ariza being overpaid doesn't justify Andy being overpaid as well.
3. The mid-level was used to acquire Rasheed Wallace and Ron Artest. In comparison, Andy V is just bad value.

Again, no he couldn't have had anything he wanted. How many salary dumps were made at the deadline? That's right, close to none. There's a reason all the players we talked about at the deadline didn't get traded until this summer....the end of the season financial reports came in and the owners finally put their foots down and sold them for pennies on the dollar, while their GM's were asking for much more than just expirings at the deadline.

I agree to an extent but owners would have made those trades (VC, RJ, Shaq, AI, Billups, Marion, JO etc.) if the Cavs were willing to overpay a little bit. Overpaying at the deadline this past season could have gotten the Cavs a championship. Waiting for a "great deal" has basically turned the Cavs from a proactive team to a reactive team. Adding Shaq now is only keeping pace with the rest of the league while doing so last season would have been a much bigger deal. Besides, Shaq is pretty good but he's a very short term solution. It would have been worth overpaying to get a longer term solution like one of the players mentioned above.

[TheOUTLAW]

It's just silly to argue that any one move would have gotten the Cavs a championship last year. It's impossible to argue and you can't argue that overpaying last year was a good idea while overpaying this year is not. Overpaying is overpaying.