Sessions Update:Ramon signs T-Wolves OS (page 310 update)

BucksRUS · Post #4461 » by **BucksRUS** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:07 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I was counting it without Delfino, since he is not guaranteed.

Delfino is partially guaranteed next year to the tune of $1.5 mil from what I have seen. So we would be at $52.4 mil, if Delfino is cut and if he is traded for something else we would have more Guaranteed money on the books.

Aaron It Out · Post #4462 » by **Aaron It Out** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:13 pm

I'd like to believe that if Sessions gets no offers, Hammond will extend him a 2-3 year deal higher than the QO. I think the whole purpose of Hammond offering the QO to Sessions was because he wanted him to return to the Bucks at the right price. Just becuase Hammond hasn't made an offer doesn't mean he doesn't want him back. He is playing the market and that is IMO the smartest thing to do. Why offer him a 4 million dollar contract when nobody else will offer him more than 3? He wants to see what he's worth, and I believe that if no team extends an offer then Hammond will offer him a contract that fits Hammond's criteria. That means it will most likely be smaller amount of money and probably shorter than what Sessions wants. It would then be up to Sessions to take that contract, or take the QO so that he can try again next summer.

But trying again next summer may not be in Sessions' best interest due to the huge names in the 2010 free agency. I think he would be ignored by other teams just as much as he is being now if not more. The only way I can see a team pursuing him next offseason is if they are trying to put another piece next to a superstar they land for cheap.

If Sessions were to have an all-star type season with the Bucks this season which I think he is perfectly capable of, I think those last few sentences would be void.

BDUB_30 · Post #4463 » by **BDUB_30** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:18 pm

LUKE23 wrote:If we get Sessions back for $1M while retaining his RFA rights, I will retract every negative thing I have said about Hammond during these negotiations, and I would consider his offseason a pretty good one with:

1. Jennings/Meeks draft (like both picks as of today)
2. Clearing essentially all of RJ's 2010-11 salary
3. Not adding poor salary into 2011-12
4. Sessions retained at $1M bargain and retained to RFA status next year

I'll wait for this to go down first though. If it does, you have to move Ridnour. You can roll with a guard rotation of:

PG: Jennings (28)/Sessions (20)
SG: Redd (34)/Sessions (8)/whoever else (6)

Way to much inexpirence in the backcourt , if the bucks think about doing this they might as well go all in with a youth movement. Which then raises the question of why did we bring in delfino to play the 3 when we have two younger options there ? Of course , delfino came for cheap enough that its not that big of a deal anyways .

I couldnt be more impartial to either strategy . I have no problems with the bucks going young and getting their young guys burn , and i have no problems with the bucks trying to win now. But i DO have a problem with trying to do BOTH half assed . You do one or the other imo. A pg rotation of BJ/Sessions is clearly enough inexpirence at the most critical position on the floor that you may as well start moute or ja at the 3 , and give erson his burn at the 4.

WIthout a doubt an interesting year ahead , alot of diffrent dimensions to look forward to .We for sure have 2 new starters as is , and we possibly 3. Hell , it could be all 5 if bogut and redd end up in a wheel chair .

BDUB_30 · Post #4464 » by **BDUB_30** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:20 pm

RJay715 wrote:
If Sessions were to have an all-star type season with the Bucks this season which I think he is perfectly capable of, I think those last few sentences would be void.

If he returns the only way he sees signifigant playing time will be due to an injury to someone . Of course , this is how he got his PT last year . Due to injuries to redd and ridnour .

LUKE23 · Post #4465 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:25 pm

If he's back, Ridnour will be moved, and Ukic isn't going to play much. So Sessions would obviously see time.

With Sessions and Ridnour both on one-year deals, they would definitely look to move a worse, older player making 6.5 times as much that will not be a RFA after the season.

BucksRUS · Post #4466 » by **BucksRUS** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:32 pm

LUKE23 wrote:If he's back, Ridnour will be moved, and Ukic isn't going to play much. So Sessions would obviously see time.

With Sessions and Ridnour both one one-year deals, they would definitely look to move a worse, older player making 6.5 times as much that will not be a RFA after the season.

I agree that Ridnour will be moved if Sessions returns. Min or Sac are two possible destinations.

Serge28 · Post #4467 » by **Serge28** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:34 pm

300 pages over nothing...

REDDzone · Post #4468 » by **REDDzone** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:50 pm

300 pages is absurd.

trwi7 · Post #4469 » by **trwi7** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:58 pm

REDDzone wrote:300 pages is absurd.

It's ludacrisp I tell you.

Post #4470 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:59 pm

I agree with the Knicks poster. If we get to October 1 and no deal, I could see Ramon settling for a three-year deal from the Knicks that gets him a player option after year 2.

That gets him out from RFA, and even at $3mm a year gets him a lot more protection and options than if he just settled for the QO.

Somebody is going to step forward and put out an offer sheet that Ramon will be forced to sign. Carl Landry, Varajao, Bell.....all similar type guys who had their situations play out late into the fall and even into the start of the season. I'm guessing at this point Ramon is waiting to see if someone gets injured or a team has a hole they want to fill as we get closer to camp.

step3profit · Post #4471 » by **step3profit** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:59 pm

I love you guys.

step3profit · Post #4472 » by **step3profit** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:00 pm

Group hug.

trwi7 · Post #4473 » by **trwi7** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:01 pm

bplus wrote:Group hug.

aboveAverage · Post #4474 » by **aboveAverage** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:05 pm

Wow. 300

trwi7 · Post #4475 » by **trwi7** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:12 pm

WE BOWLED 300!!111111!!!1111!1

Sorry, it's just that this is as close as I'll ever get to a 300 game.

BucksRUS · Post #4476 » by **BucksRUS** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:29 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:I agree with the Knicks poster. If we get to October 1 and no deal, I could see Ramon settling for a three-year deal from the Knicks that gets him a player option after year 2.

That gets him out from RFA, and even at $3mm a year gets him a lot more protection and options than if he just settled for the QO.

Somebody is going to step forward and put out an offer sheet that Ramon will be forced to sign. Carl Landry, Varajao, Bell.....all similar type guys who had their situations play out late into the fall and even into the start of the season. I'm guessing at this point Ramon is waiting to see if someone gets injured or a team has a hole they want to fill as we get closer to camp.

Depending on the date for the QO, the QO would expire after that date and Ramon would still be a RFA. Oct. 1 is the earliest expiration date for the QO. I think after that date Ramon could only sign a two-year contract at a minimum as an Early Bird Free Agent, but it could be from any team.

Nothingface · Post #4477 » by **Nothingface** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 11:36 pm

I am on page 300. Awesome.

mcfromage · Post #4478 » by **mcfromage** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 11:51 pm

% chance this thing reaches 500...? i'm saying 15.

lawrybeard · Post #4479 » by **lawrybeard** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 11:53 pm

BDUB_30 wrote:If he returns the only way he sees signifigant playing time will be due to an injury to someone . Of course , this is how he got his PT last year . Due to injuries to redd and ridnour .

Agreed.

It's quite clear he's not part of the plan. If he returns for hte QO then he's in for a seriously frustrating year.

trwi7 · Post #4480 » by **trwi7** » Thu Sep 3, 2009 11:57 pm

mcfromage wrote:% chance this thing reaches 500...? i'm saying 15.

Depends. How much are we allowed to post pad in this thread? Because I could have it to 500 pages by tomorrow afternoon if I wanted to.

*Seriously thought of making each word in this post a post each.*