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Chelsea banned from making transfers 

Post#1 » by slaterbug » Thu Sep 3, 2009 1:18 pm

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... nd&cc=3436

FIFA have banned Chelsea from registering any new players until January 2011, meaning they will not be able to recruit any new signings for two transfer windows.

World football's governing body imposed the sanctions after investigating a complaint from Ligue 1 Lens over the transfer of Gael Kakuta in 2007.

FIFA's Dispute Resolution Chamber passed the decision on a contractual dispute between the French club and their English counterparts.


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Post#2 » by bryant08 » Thu Sep 3, 2009 1:37 pm

Chelsea can appeal the decision, but if they lose it, that's simply insane. Could be a huge blow.
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Post#3 » by BlackMamba » Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:18 pm

wow, this will clearly set a precedent and teams should be very careful from now on how they do their business.
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Post#4 » by 5DOM » Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:33 pm

:cry: I hope it's only the next registration period. We are pretty much set for this season, and weren't going to buy in Winter anyway. Only the ACN might cause some trouble.

Apparently same thing happened to Rome and Mexes, and their ban was reduced to 1 transfer window. And where's the kid going to find that much money????? I bet A LOT of teams, not just Chelsea, did this this too :evil:
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Post#5 » by Smoove » Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:22 pm

Yes Chelsea will appeal and I'm guess they will win because they will offer shite load of money and FIFA will accept and end of story.


But if FIFA says no, then Chelsea is ****.
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Post#6 » by snitch55 » Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:47 pm

Wait, i thought , english teams were untouchable :unsure:
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Post#7 » by USA » Thu Sep 3, 2009 5:29 pm

Currently it is for the next 2 transfer windows but I see this being reduced to just 1 transfer window which won't really hurt Chelsea because I doubt they were planning on buying in the december transefer window anyway, barring injury.

I am glad the Fifa is taking the hard line. Some of these clubs seem to get away with murder.
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Post#8 » by AdamTheGreek » Thu Sep 3, 2009 5:58 pm

I don't think Chelsea will be able to buy their way out of this.
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Post#9 » by Milkdud » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:02 pm

Can anyone explain to me how these "transfer periods" work. Novice soccer fan and its going over my head.
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Post#10 » by Slava » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:50 pm

Peter Kenyon had it coming for a long long time. Obi Mikel was a bad episode for everyone involved and this seems equally worse. Good riddance and I hope they don't overrule this.
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Post#11 » by Slava » Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:51 pm

Milkdud wrote:Can anyone explain to me how these "transfer periods" work. Novice soccer fan and its going over my head.


There's two transfer windows, one from the end of the season to 1st September and another one in january where teams can buy/sell/loan players. No transfer activity can take place outside these periods, much like the NBA trade deadline.
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Post#12 » by Milkdud » Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:15 pm

Follow up questions:

So would the transfer period be much like the end of baseball season? Where teams that are gearing for the playoffs pick up players from the teams out of the running?

Also how often do players get loaned out? And is that done strictly for smaller teams to make coin of the big guys?
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Post#13 » by Slava » Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:24 pm

No. The transfers only begin after the UEFA Champions league, which is the last European competition is played out and players cannot be bought after the end of the Jan. transfer window until the summer window re-opens.

Big teams like United & Chelsea loan out their youngsters to smaller teams where they can earn minutes on the pitch and gain experience playing in the league, which would not be possible in a highly competitive squad. The loaning team pays the team that owns the player's contract and the player cannot appear for the loaning team against his original team if they were to face off in any competition.
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Post#14 » by 5DOM » Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:35 pm

j-far wrote:The loaning team pays the team that owns the player's contract and the player cannot appear for the loaning team against his original team if they were to face off in any competition.


I'm not 100% sure, but IIRC the loan contract CAN be set up so that the loaning team doesn't have to pay the full amount. Also the loaned player CAN play against his original team if specified in the contract.

edit: In EPL, loaned players can not play against their original team
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Post#15 » by 5DOM » Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:59 pm

j-far wrote:Peter Kenyon had it coming for a long long time. Obi Mikel was a bad episode for everyone involved and this seems equally worse. Good riddance and I hope they don't overrule this.


"Le Harve furious

Le Harve reacted on Friday with a long and virulent official statement against Manchester United regarding the recruitment of Paul Pogba, the captain of their under 16's. The Normandy club, relegated to Ligue 2, ensures that a non-solicitation agreement was signed in Autumn 2006 between the player and his parents, which would enable Pogba to sign a professional contract, "once the player had become of age and completed the educational criteria required by law." The professional contract was to begin in the 2009-2010 season.

But, "Manchester United had offered great sums of money to the parents with the goal of obtaining a transfer of their child to the English club, " announced Le Havre. "At the moment when numerous voices, including levels of government, the European Union, UEFA and FIFA are protesting against the drafting in of young players, Manchester United does not hesitate to uproot a 16 year old. HAC recalls that a few weeks ago these same leaders [Ferguson], claimed to give lessons of morality on the sums spent by certain clubs during the beginning of the transfer market, yet today have found time to plunder Le Havre and French football of one of its best young talents."

Demanding Sanctions

"Le Havre ensures that it will bring its case to the authorities for they denounce such behaviour and want [Manchester United to receive] heavy sanctions." Le Havre have also stated that the French league's legal commission asked on July 9th for the non-solicitation agreement to be transformed into the player's professional contract. The HAC have argued Manchester United have acted "above the law." Born in 1993 of Guinean origin, Paul Pogba is a midfielder who is also the captain of the French under 16 side."


Also what Real Madrid did with Ronaldo and what Barcelona is doing with Fabregas are basically the same thing. Man U and Arsenal shoulda file an official complaint.
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Post#16 » by Slava » Fri Sep 4, 2009 2:43 am

The difference between Pogba - Man United and this recent Chelsea incident is that United offered Pogba a professional deal before Le Havre did and the player/his caretakers were happy to accept it. on the other hand, Chelsea tapped the player up and induced him into breaking an "Existing" contractual agreement, which is frankly illegal.

Le Havre are just pissed at United because they didn't make any money off the player they'd thought would sign with their academy.
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Post#17 » by Munchlaxatives » Fri Sep 4, 2009 2:53 am

Maybe now they'll let Mutu live free.
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Post#18 » by 5DOM » Fri Sep 4, 2009 4:14 am

j-far wrote:The difference between Pogba - Man United and this recent Chelsea incident is that United offered Pogba a professional deal before Le Havre did and the player/his caretakers were happy to accept it. on the other hand, Chelsea tapped the player up and induced him into breaking an "Existing" contractual agreement, which is frankly illegal.


The Normandy club, relegated to Ligue 2, ensures that a non-solicitation agreement was signed in Autumn 2006 between the player and his parents, which would enable Pogba to sign a professional contract, "once the player had become of age and completed the educational criteria required by law." The professional contract was to begin in the 2009-2010 season.


I think this is the same type of "contract" as Kakuta's. You have to be at least 16 to sign a professional contract, and Kakuta wasn't 16 then according to Lens themselves.

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In explaining what is a complex issue, Phillipe Piat, co-president of the French players’ union and president of FIFPro, the international players’ union, explained the background to the contract breach.

He said: ‘At 14, Kakuta and his father signed a youth pre-contract promising to sign for Lens when he turned 16. When he finished his youth development Lens wished to apply the contract and bring the player back but his father no longer agreed to this. He wanted to go to Chelsea.’


It sounds the same to me.
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Post#19 » by Slava » Fri Sep 4, 2009 4:55 am

A statement from FIFA read: "The DRC found that the player had indeed breached a contract signed with the French club. Equally, the DRC deemed it to be established that the English club induced the player to such a breach.

"As a result the player was condemned to pay compensation in the amount of €780,000, for which the club, Chelsea, are jointly and severally liable.

"A restriction of four months on his eligibility to play in official matches has been imposed on Kakuta. Chelsea are banned from registering any new players, either nationally or internationally, for the two next entire and consecutive registration periods following the notification of the present decision.

"Furthermore, the club, Chelsea, have to pay Lens training compensation in the amount of €130,000."


That is the illegal part.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... nd&cc=5901

"We spend 5million euros [about £4.3million] on our academy every year out of a turnover of 12million euros. It is a huge investment.

"We do that to give a chance to our players to develop for our first team, not to be an academy for others.

"What is the point of investing in an academy if the players leave at 16? This is clearly a message from Fifa to protect the education system."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 62,00.html

Pogba on the other hand hasn't signed anything and Le Havre are pissed that he will be leaving them for nothing.

Another interesting fact is that English teams need the players to be atleast 16 to sign a players' professional contract whereas Scottish teams can do it at the age of 14. I don't know what the age limit is with France and why Le Havre hadn't signed Pogba as a professional.
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Post#20 » by Slava » Fri Sep 4, 2009 5:08 am

I don't know if this will stick anyway because Chelsea PLC is a private firm and I don't think FIFA can stop them from employing new players. Very controversial area this is and I wonder if Real should also be punished because enticing Ronaldo, Ribery and Alonso also seems illegal.
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