Who's more athletic? Kobe Bryant or David Noel?

NeilsCeltics · Post #1 » by **NeilsCeltics** » Sat Sep 5, 2009 9:49 pm

Who's more athletic overall, and has the best basketball functional live in-game athleticism? Athleticism means size, wingspan, lateral quickness, strength, upper body strength, lower body strength, lane agility, reflexes, speed, stamina, durability, hand-eye coordination.

Kobe Bryant?

David Noel?

JordansBulls · Post #2 » by **JordansBulls** » Sat Sep 5, 2009 10:00 pm

shawngoat23 · Post #3 » by **shawngoat23** » Sat Sep 5, 2009 10:04 pm

David Noel is a freak of nature in terms of raw combine numbers, so it's not ridiculous to say he's more athletic than Kobe or several other NBA stars. I haven't seen him play though, so either he has terrible IQ, no skills, or his athleticism just doesn't translate functionally. Someone will have to give me the scoop here.

NeilsCeltics · Post #4 » by **NeilsCeltics** » Sat Sep 5, 2009 10:11 pm

shawngoat23 wrote:David Noel is a freak of nature in terms of raw combine numbers, so it's not ridiculous to say he's more athletic than Kobe or several other NBA stars. I haven't seen him play though, so either he has terrible IQ, no skills, or his athleticism just doesn't translate functionally. Someone will have to give me the scoop here.

To be honest though, I did a thread on why some hyper-athletic players or hyper-skilled players are scrubs, and well, the common trend was, they lacked the "elite" and "specialized" skillset if they are hyper-athletic, or they weren't NBA Caliber athletes, for example, Adam Morrison or JJ Reddick.

My estimate is, David Noel is a freak of nature, and the reason why he failed was because he lacked handles, he lacked mental toughness, he lacked the BBIQ, he lacked defensive ability, he lacked scoring ability, he did not know how to lay up well and score inside 5 feet, he lacks lay up abilities and the only thing he could do was dunk. He did not know how to slash, fake his opponents, or post them up.

His skillset is so bad that he was waived, even if he was hyper-athletic.

Shawngoat, if you were a General Manager, how would you go about unlocking David Noel's ultimate potential and put him in a position to succeed? How would you make him the "best" player David Noel can be, due to his freak of nature athleticism?

I feel that he could have been an elite finisher like James Worthy or Amar'e Stoudemire, or he could have been a Bruce Bowen type of player, but I don't think his mentality suits him for being a Bruce Bowen type.

LebronsCavs · Post #5 » by **LebronsCavs** » Sat Sep 5, 2009 11:44 pm

Kobe was as athletic before, not even close now.

ImmortalD24 · Post #6 » by **ImmortalD24** » Sun Sep 6, 2009 12:05 am

Thats a highschool picture of Kobe.. Kobe was pretty big in 2003 and 2005.

right now though here's a pic:

He's slimmed down a lot.

But on who's more athletic between the two.. I'm going to have to go with prime Kobe Bryant.

NeilsCeltics · Post #7 » by **NeilsCeltics** » Sun Sep 6, 2009 12:09 am

ImmortalD24 wrote:Thats a highschool picture of Kobe.. Kobe was pretty big in 2003 and 2005.

right now though here's a pic:

He's slimmed down a lot.

But on who's more athletic between the two.. I'm going to have to go with prime Kobe Bryant.

Outstanding pictures, where did you get your hands on those? I really love them very much, I would really appreciate it if you tell me.

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Also, why is prime/peak Kobe Bryant a better athlete than David Noel? Doesn't he have midget hands? Other than his hand size, he's just fine.

ImmortalD24 · Post #8 » by **ImmortalD24** » Sun Sep 6, 2009 12:16 am

NeilsCeltics wrote:Outstanding pictures, where did you get your hands on those? I really love them very much, I would really appreciate it if you tell me. .

Also, why is prime/peak Kobe Bryant a better athlete than David Noel? Doesn't he have midget hands? Other than his hand size, he's just fine.

I found those on a chinese board.. but it was also posted on mediatakeout.com:

http://mediatakeout.com/2009/35058-fami ... right.html

here's some more pictures:

ImmortalD24 · Post #9 » by **ImmortalD24** » Sun Sep 6, 2009 12:23 am

NeilsCeltics wrote:Outstanding pictures, where did you get your hands on those? I really love them very much, I would really appreciate it if you tell me. .

Also, why is prime/peak Kobe Bryant a better athlete than David Noel? Doesn't he have midget hands? Other than his hand size, he's just fine.

Kobe was faster, quicker, longer.. had great body control, much better stamina.. being a better athlete isn't always who can jump highest.

^ And Kobe doesn't have midget hands btw.. it's just small in comparison to MJ's freakishly huge hands.

NeilsCeltics · Post #10 » by **NeilsCeltics** » Sun Sep 6, 2009 12:36 am

Well, I do thank you so much for your pictures, I do appreciate it, although, I might have to disagree the Kobe Bryant's a better athlete. David Noel has 230+ pounds, and he's still horrendously quick and super strong.

ImmortalD24 · Post #11 » by **ImmortalD24** » Sun Sep 6, 2009 12:53 am

NeilsCeltics wrote:Well, I do thank you so much for your pictures, I do appreciate it, although, I might have to disagree the Kobe Bryant's a better athlete. David Noel has 230+ pounds, and he's still horrendously quick and super strong.

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-blog/kobe- ... 45101.html

Kobe Bryant’s Weight Loss Will Improve His Game & Benefit Los Angeles Lakers

July 27 07

Kobe Bryant’s website reports on his weight loss:

Finally, Kobe’s new diet has him playing at around 200 pounds, about 19 lbs lighter than he was last season:

On his weight loss of 19 pounds, he said it was the first time in nine years he had weighed in at 200 pounds. "I started watching what I eat. I had something to eat, I think it was pepperoni pizza and grape soda, and I started feeling a little bloated. And I didn’t know what that sensation was, and I tried getting out on the track and running and felt a little heavy, so I had to cut back a little bit."

Bryant was 220 prior to the summer of 07.. and he was near 235 in the 2004-05 season when he bulked up again.

Yet he was still fairly quick & explosive that season.. check out this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtppsiFG9NA

NeilsCeltics · Post #12 » by **NeilsCeltics** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:20 am

ImmortalD24 wrote:Yet he was still fairly quick & explosive that season.. check out this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtppsiFG9NA

Okay. So, Kobe Bryant, this Kobe Bryant was 220 pounds ever since he became a prep to pro player, and he was a very bulky guard, sort of like Oscar Robertson? It's amazing how much heavier Kobe Bryant was compared to Michael Jordan's younger years, and he only just slimmed down recently? Amazing. A 235 pound Swingman, that's something heavy and explosive.

Well, I must concede that Kobe Bryant is a more athletic than David Noel, unless other people who know David Noel says otherwise.

The MVPlaya · Post #13 » by **The MVPlaya** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 12:40 am

NeilsCeltics wrote:Outstanding pictures, where did you get your hands on those? I really love them very much, I would really appreciate it if you tell me. .

LebronsCavs · Post #14 » by **LebronsCavs** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:47 am

The MVPlaya wrote:
NeilsCeltics wrote:Outstanding pictures, where did you get your hands on those? I really love them very much, I would really appreciate it if you tell me. .

My same thoughts.

Post #15 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 6:13 am

David Noel is one of those guys who gets talked about as an awesome athlete despite having poor lateral quickness and first step, easily the most important athletic gifts for perimeter players IMO.

LakerLegend · Post #16 » by **LakerLegend** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 9:41 am

Kobe can't jump:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&fmt=35

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