Realgm's Top 25 most valuable players - results are in

[loserX]

Pretty much every game Oden played in he had, two fouls that were good fouls, two fouls you wondered what he was thinking, and two fouls you wondered what the official was thinking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14wxUaMiiaQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6j8JCajoMA

All his opponent had to do was hook Oden's arm and the whistle was blown. Belittle it if you like but Oden's foul problems weren't ALL his fault.

Asking a fan of Team X whether fouls called against Team X were legitimate is a fool's errand. With all respect, 2 YouTube highlights don't prove anything at all. Like I said...it's way way way too subjective to carry any weight. You have to prove that not only was Oden getting cheap calls against him, but that no other player was. It's not going to happen.

[Village Idiot]

feel free to discuss disagreements with the rankings, positive notes about the results, improvements in the voting process, etc.

I thought the thread was originally about trade value but it seemed to evolve into a most valuable player thread as your choice of title proves.

[shrink]

I would really like to see a poll for the ten worst contracts.

You would think there would be some sort of mid-point where half are good contracts and half are bad, but I don't see so many truly bad ones .. or maybe my view is obscured by prejudices. I would be curious who RealGM posters would rank highly in a poll run the same way,

[shrink]

feel free to discuss disagreements with the rankings, positive notes about the results, improvements in the voting process, etc.

I don't know how you do it, but we need a more specific definition of the word "valuable"

[Snakebites]

I still think that other than Lebron and Wade, the stars that are about to expire and likely to leave should either be lower or off the list.

[dockingsched]

feel free to discuss disagreements with the rankings, positive notes about the results, improvements in the voting process, etc.

I thought the thread was originally about trade value but it seemed to evolve into a most valuable player thread as your choice of title proves.

its always been about trade value. the title just reflects the fact that "realgm's top 25 trade valuable players" doesn't sound right.

I don't know how you do it, but we need a more specific definition of the word "valuable"

im not sure i follow you. i only have one vote like any other poster, its up to everyone to determine their specific definition of trade value.


if either of you want to click on any of the links in the first post, you'll see the instructions given to people about voting.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Even though it was suppose to be a trade value thread, it did become a plain value thread for this year alone. Like I said, the future was not taken into consideration hardly at all. I don't think its your fault dcash, but this is a lot closer to a most valuable player list than it is a trade value list.

[dockingsched]

with blake griffin, brook lopez, oj mayo, greg oden, and kevin martin rounding out the end of the list and players like joe johnson, yao ming, paul pierce, and andre iguodala on the outside looking in... i can't agree with your evaluation.

i think there's simply a big divide between posters that value a player that can play an elite level right now and catapult teams into contention versus players that may someday be 3/4's as good that cost about 1/4 as much.

[DeezXXnutZ]

I'm with Dcash on this one. So you think Durant is better then BRoy, Deron Williams, Duncan, Garnett just to name a few.?

I seriously hope not

[WetCoast]

Why are people trying to devalue Bosh because he's a 1 year rental? Can't the same be said for LeBron or Wade?

I think KG and Duncan should be a lot closer

Bosh didn't make the playoffs, they did. Lebron and Wade are pretty strait cut top 3 players, Bosh isn't.

[TradeMachine]

I still think that other than Lebron and Wade, the stars that are about to expire and likely to leave should either be lower or off the list.

I thought that picture looked familiar.

A prof I had last year posted that picture from your sig in one of my assignments, where I had to design and model a transducer to monitor the amount of venom in the body vs. hemoglobin content.

That photo gives me the **** creeps.

[Dr Positivity]

with blake griffin, brook lopez, oj mayo, greg oden, and kevin martin rounding out the end of the list and players like joe johnson, yao ming, paul pierce, and andre iguodala on the outside looking in... i can't agree with your evaluation.

i think there's simply a big divide between posters that value a player that can play an elite level right now and catapult teams into contention versus players that may someday be 3/4's as good that cost about 1/4 as much.

Maybe the problem is people voting on who THEY value more than on objective trade value. I noticed a lot of posters throughout refusing to put Blake up there with the top 20ish players until he plays a game... well that's not what it's about. Whether or not it's right, Blake does have that big value right now, and for 95% of the league is miles ahead of Bosh. Young cheap players definitely have more value than older expensive ones or soon to UFAs, that's just where the league is right now, especially with the economy

I think people took this list a lot more subjectively than it probably should've been. It's not an opinion thing on who you think should be worth the most... it's who IS. That's the way I took it anyways

[dockingsched]

i tried to write some long post addressing some of the very good points you bring up but all could come up with was that trade value is incredibly subjective in nature.

i personally value elite play, others value contract status, and others value yearly salary. it is what it is.

[Tekkenlaw]

I think this is a solid list- not great, not terrible. Outside of switching a name or two here and there, I would call these my biggest issues:

Duncan at 11- he's going on 34 years old... Who would value a 34 year old that highly no matter who they are. For example, if I wanted to trade for a big, I would go after Jefferson 10 out of 10 times over Duncan.

Garnett at 17- same as duncan

Oden at 25- two years in the league should mean that he needs to prove something instead of skate by on potential alone.

You're not going to win anything with Jefferson though. Duncan and Garnett are proven first options.

[KM44]

I think this is a solid list- not great, not terrible. Outside of switching a name or two here and there, I would call these my biggest issues:

Duncan at 11- he's going on 34 years old... Who would value a 34 year old that highly no matter who they are. For example, if I wanted to trade for a big, I would go after Jefferson 10 out of 10 times over Duncan.

Garnett at 17- same as duncan

Oden at 25- two years in the league should mean that he needs to prove something instead of skate by on potential alone.

You're not going to win anything with Jefferson though. Duncan and Garnett are proven first options.

This is trade value. If I had to choose who I would want to lead my team or win this year, I would take duncan or garnett in a heartbeat, but Jefferson is much younger with tons of potential.

[vincecarter4pres]

I would really like to see a poll for the ten worst contracts.

I would love to see that, maybe top 15 worst.

[shrink]

I would really like to see a poll for the ten worst contracts.

I would love to see that, maybe top 15 worst.

I've been thinking about it, and it would really help me get a better feel for current bad contracts. Many many bad contracts seemed so obvious last year, but now I might have a hard time naming a couple dozen. Logically, there should be some mid-point guy, where half the contracts are better than his average, and half are worse. I just think my cognitive midpoint puts way too many players on the "OK contract" half.

[vincecarter4pres]

Bad contracts in no order off the top of my head:
Udrih
Dunleavy
Gadzuric
Redd
Matt Carrol
Diop
AK47
Troy Murphy
Eddie Curry
Jarred Jefferies
Najera
Brand
Boobie Gibson
Arenas
Jamison
Diddy
Zach Randolph
Peja
Mo Pete
Humphries
Varejo
Tyson Chandler
Deng
Villanueva

[dockingsched]

we can run a negative asset poll on monday.

[vincecarter4pres]

we can run a negative asset poll on monday.

Be there or be square.