Trade Rumor Bos/Min

[Scalamental]

Clearing roster spots is a good thing. Leave one for Camby at mid-season when he's bought out.

Sounds good to me.

[Andrew McCeltic]

How good would our frontcourt be if we added Camby? God couldn't score on them. Plus he's from New England, right?

[Dogen]

How good would our frontcourt be if we added Camby? God couldn't score on them. Plus he's from New England, right?

Yes, but God is from New England too, right? And he's perfected the no-look pass. I'd say get 'em both. And the way things are going these days, God may be available by the trade deadline.

[Tenbomber]

You never know, Minny could buy out B-Scal and he could return home.

Scal would be a fan favorite in the twin cities....

They would appreciate his hustle...and his leadership qualities....something sorely needed on that young team....even though their roster does have a more veteran look to it than it did last year....

I think Scal would get significant minutes for them!

Also...Tony and young Giddens would add to their young nucleus....

I'm pretty sure they would do this trade...not sure we would though?

[shrink]

You never know, Minny could buy out B-Scal and he could return home. :nod:

Scal would be a fan favorite in the twin cities....

They would appreciate his hustle...and his leadership qualities....something sorely needed on that young team...

We already have Brian Cardinal in that "you're-old-and-you're-bad-but-you-play-hard-so-fans-like-you" role.

I think you guys are under-valueing the power of partially guaranteed contract. A team can waive atkins and gain nearly $3 mil in 2009 cap space .. and 2009 cap space is hard to acquire. Late 1sts get sold for $3 mil, and if Atkins is traded to a team over the lux, he would save $3 in payroll, $3 in lux, and maybe an additional $3 if the team could get under the lux with him. I think that's worth a pick around #20. Giddens may have a lot of potential, but his second year as a rookie would be now -- MIN would want youth that would develop later, and still be on their cheap rookie contract.

Now, I'm not saying I think BOS should be in cost-cutting mode. They definitely should not, and should be willing to spend to try to get another championship in the window. I'm saying Atkins would have more value elsewhere, which makes mentioning HOU (who's only over the lux by about $5 mil) a more valuable location for Atkins.

[Havlicek17]

I got a question. If Atkins is so valuable, and we're not looking to save money but instead trying to improve our team, could we turn around and trade him to another team after acquiring his rights from Minn?

Do we have to wait some period of time before we could do this?

Anyone know what the rules are?

[threrf23]

I know we are all angry with Tony, but I would just as soon keep him as insurance for the rest of the year rather than trade him for someone we don't need. For all his faults, he is capable of putting good stretches together which can't be said for any of the other guys. Especially since he will only play if someone important gets hurt, which is incidentally when he seems to play best.

agreed

[Jammer]

Damien WIlkins is trash.

If the Celtics did a Scal + Tony for Damien Wilkens + Chucky Atkins,

it would mean that they intend to cut Chucky Atkins to save $3.2 Million (includes lux tax);
and probably sign someone like Nick Fazekas or Robert Swift as a 6th big.

The Wolves do the deal because they give up a piece of trash (Wilkens) and a useless piece (Atkins)

but gain Tony Allen, a true shooting guard, in a contract year, and a
fine towel waiver/expiring in Scal.

There's no way the Celts give up Tony and Giddens, one stays since
Walker doesn't have SG quicks.

[sully00]

I got a question. If Atkins is so valuable, and we're not looking to save money but instead trying to improve our team, could we turn around and trade him to another team after acquiring his rights from Minn?

Do we have to wait some period of time before we could do this?

Anyone know what the rules are?

Yes, he can be traded by himself, not combined with another contract. It would have made a lot of sense when we were trying to do S&T for Daniels.

There's no way the Celts give up Tony and Giddens, one stays since
Walker doesn't have SG quicks.

You are talking about 5th on the depth chart at SG behind Ray/House/Pierce/Daniels all capable of guarding the position not exactly a concern.

[Rocky5000]

I don't understand why we'd want Camby when we have, KG, Sheed, Perkins, and BBD. Our front court is completely set. There's not even enough minutes for all of those guys. If we need anything it'd be another legit SF to play behind Pierce.

[sully00]

Wilkins is a pretty good player, at least on the level of TA talent wise, he can shoot the 3 and has the size to play the SF spot, not a standout defender but significantly better at the 3 than the 2 were he struggles. With the make up of the roster turning two SGs into a SF would make some sense with Daniels in the fold.

[NetsForce]

This makes a lot of sense for us. We save money with Atkins immediately. Which I know is important to the Cs. Wilkins is also an expiring contract. But He fills a greater need as backup SF. Competing with Bill Walker for minutes . Plus, He can still be used in a later deal.

I wonder if we sign or trade for a backup PG before training camp?

In all honesty Giddens has Gerald Green written all over him not Joe Johnson. Walker has some potential though...

[Celts17Pride]

Gomes and Wilkins for Scalabrine, Tony Allen and Giddens.

Get it done Danny!

[Rocky5000]

Wilkins is not better than Tony Allen, Tony could start for basically every lottery team in the league and put up 16 points a game. Wilkins is a marginal NBA player. If we're trading Tony to Minnesota we should try to get back Gomes. Tony can start for Minnesota, and Brewer will get a chance to start at the 3 instead of Gomes. Basically Minnesota had no true shooting guard before signing Pavlovic, but they have Gomes, Brewer, and Wilkins as small forwards.

I don't think Kahn is that big on Gomes, because he was quoted as saying that this year is a make or break year for Ryan and Brewer both.

[chakdaddy]

but gain Tony Allen, a true shooting guard, in a contract year,

Unfortunately though, he's definitely not a true *making* guard.

[sully00]

Wilkins is not better than Tony Allen, Tony could start for basically every lottery team in the league and put up 16 points a game. Wilkins is a marginal NBA player. If we're trading Tony to Minnesota we should try to get back Gomes. Tony can start for Minnesota, and Brewer will get a chance to start at the 3 instead of Gomes. Basically Minnesota had no true shooting guard before signing Pavlovic, but they have Gomes, Brewer, and Wilkins as small forwards.

I don't think Kahn is that big on Gomes, because he was quoted as saying that this year is a make or break year for Ryan and Brewer both.

Wilkins can start for MINN just as successfully as Tony can, both are marginal NBA players. Basically Tony is a better defender and Wilkins is a better 3pt shooter with more size. Tony could not start for every lottery team in the league several of them have better SG's than him, some have two. There is at least evidence that other teams in the league value Wilkins nobody but Boston has shown much interest in TA.

[Rocky5000]

I simply don't agree & I said 'basically every team'. But I guess we'll leave it at that.

[sully00]

Sorry Tony.

[GregB]

This makes a lot of sense for us. We save money with Atkins immediately. Which I know is important to the Cs. Wilkins is also an expiring contract. But He fills a greater need as backup SF. Competing with Bill Walker for minutes . Plus, He can still be used in a later deal.

I wonder if we sign or trade for a backup PG before training camp?

In all honesty Giddens has Gerald Green written all over him not Joe Johnson. Walker has some potential though...

Netsforce, You been smokin up with starbury? Where did I even mention Giddens?