EuroBasket 2009 Thread

AdamTheGreek · Post #161 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:34 am

Day 7 Review:
http://mason360.com/20090915565/News/Sp ... day-7.html
Lithuania is out and Poland in big trouble.

El Turco · Post #162 » by **El Turco** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:48 am

if hedo is in pain he shouldn't be playing. i don't care if he is a NBA player, there is no excuse playing a player that shot horrific all game. this mentality will not work once we get to the elimination round.

good win regardless, i am impressed by our defense.

ramon12 · Post #163 » by **ramon12** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:58 am

Spain 84-70 Lithuania
Slovenia 76-60 Poland
Serbia 64-69 Turkey (OT)

Group standings (2nd round)

Group E
1. France 4/0
2. Greece 3/1
3. Russia 2/2
4. Croatia 1/3
5. Germany 1/3
6. F.Y.R. of Macedonia 1/3

Group F
1. Turkey 4/0
2. Slovenia 3/1
3. Spain 2/2
4. Serbia 2/2
5. Poland 1/3
6. Lithuania 0/4

Batu7 · Post #164 » by **Batu7** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:57 pm

France beat Greece with a buzzer beater.

Rasho Brezec · Post #165 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:27 pm

Greece lost on purpose so they don't have to play Spain in quarterfinals.

Julio · Post #166 » by **Julio** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:48 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:Greece lost on purpose so they don't have to play Spain in quarterfinals.

And Parker played what, 19 minutes? France didn't play at full strenght either. Not to get at you or anything man, but I know that guys will be saying after Greece only lost because they wanted to.France played at semi-strenght, Greece too, and we won a hard-fought game. Anyway, we haven't lost, as said our coach, it would be a bit unfaire to have to Spanish team , but we will play with our strenght and do what we can.

Greek · Post #167 » by **Greek** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:54 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:Greece lost on purpose so they don't have to play Spain in quarterfinals.

Well i dont believe that. We wanted to win, but as always we have trouble with very athletic teams. On a previous post i said that i couldnt find a better team than us. Now i am not so sure. We miss Papaloukas and Diamantidis not for there skills that are undeniable, but mostly for there leadership. We knew that when we need a basket some1 of those 2 would be there. Also Zissis is proving after lots of years what he is. A great guy who knows how to play but in general is mediocre. I can see him in 10-15 years as a great coach but his time as an elite player its over.
Edit: What an over rated player!

safari · Post #168 » by **safari** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:56 pm

lol how can anyone claim that a team lost on purpose on a buzzer beater, after having tied the game on a 3 pointer 8 sec before !!! Makes absolutely no sense... Both teams tried to win while resting the starters, that's all !

El Turco · Post #169 » by **El Turco** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:13 pm

seriously coming back from double digit deficit to tie the game at last seconds isn't exactly losing on purpose. anyways, Greece-Slovenia should be a good one.

BadWolf · Post #170 » by **BadWolf** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:26 pm

spain facing an elimination game tomorrow?
go poland

wilt · Post #171 » by **wilt** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:54 pm

Bauermann is an idiot, extremely bad coaching ... Schaffartzik hits everything (5-5 on 3s including 2 incredible shots in the last 30 seconds, seriously when that guy is on he is really on) and he keeps running Greene around screens who went 0-7 today, Hamann struggles mightily while Staiger plays great and he keeps Hamann in.
Way to stubborn, wouldn´t let the guys run the show that got it done.

And instead of letting Schaffartzik do his thing when they are up 57-54 they play not to loose and have to take bad late shots and fumble balls away, then when it´s desperation time they let him run the show and he delivers, again . Should tell a coach sth ...

Schaffartzik, Staiger and Benzing make me hope that Germanys basketball has a future, but the elimination was deserved and croatia just was the better team.

But still, being competitive with that roster with so many players not getting a fair shake at their clubs was nice to see.
If Nowitzki plays next summer and they get a wildcard than they could be a dangerous team with that newfound shooting touch in Schaffartzik and Staiger and a guy like Benzing and maybe Harris develops a bit as well.

I Feel Devotion · Post #172 » by **I Feel Devotion** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:47 pm

Julio wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:Greece lost on purpose so they don't have to play Spain in quarterfinals.

And Parker played what, 19 minutes? France didn't play at full strenght either. Not to get at you or anything man, but I know that guys will be saying after Greece only lost because they wanted to.France played at semi-strenght, Greece too, and we won a hard-fought game. Anyway, we haven't lost, as said our coach, it would be a bit unfaire to have to Spanish team , but we will play with our strenght and do what we can.

I think any objective person that watched the game knows both teams wanted to lose. De Colo almost looked sorry after he made that last shot.

I Feel Devotion · Post #173 » by **I Feel Devotion** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:49 pm

Greek wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:Greece lost on purpose so they don't have to play Spain in quarterfinals.

Well i dont believe that. We wanted to win, but as always we have trouble with very athletic teams. On a previous post i said that i couldnt find a better team than us. Now i am not so sure. We miss Papaloukas and Diamantidis not for there skills that are undeniable, but mostly for there leadership. We knew that when we need a basket some1 of those 2 would be there. Also Zissis is proving after lots of years what he is. A great guy who knows how to play but in general is mediocre. I can see him in 10-15 years as a great coach but his time as an elite player its over.
Edit: What an over rated player!

You are joking right man? Both teams were doing everything they could to lose that game.

I Feel Devotion · Post #174 » by **I Feel Devotion** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:51 pm

wilt wrote:Bauermann is an idiot, extremely bad coaching ... Schaffartzik hits everything (5-5 on 3s including 2 incredible shots in the last 30 seconds, seriously when that guy is on he is really on) and he keeps running Greene around screens who went 0-7 today, Hamann struggles mightily while Staiger plays great and he keeps Hamann in.
Way to stubborn, wouldn´t let the guys run the show that got it done.

And instead of letting Schaffartzik do his thing when they are up 57-54 they play not to loose and have to take bad late shots and fumble balls away, then when it´s desperation time they let him run the show and he delivers, again . Should tell a coach sth ...

Schaffartzik, Staiger and Benzing make me hope that Germanys basketball has a future, but the elimination was deserved and croatia just was the better team.

But still, being competitive with that roster with so many players not getting a fair shake at their clubs was nice to see.
If Nowitzki plays next summer and they get a wildcard than they could be a dangerous team with that newfound shooting touch in Schaffartzik and Staiger and a guy like Benzing and maybe Harris develops a bit as well.

The problem is that Germany does not play that way with Dirk. Dirk is not a European player anymore. He's an NBA player and like an NBA player he bogs down a team offense and forces everything through just himself. Germany is less talented of course without him, and has less prospects overall without him, but then again they play a much worse style of offense with him.

wilt · Post #175 » by **wilt** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:37 pm

I Feel Devotion wrote: but then again they play a much worse style of offense with him.

you can´t play a worse style of offense than the germans did now. Don´t know ho much you´ve seen from this german team, but they were very one dimensional on offense, Yeah, a couple more people scored but 1/2 of the offense is running around screens at the 3 point line with the rest being running Dirk systems for Dirk/2 (Jagler), giving Femerling the ball in the post (while he did admireably he is basically ignored by defenses as everone knows that 10-12 points with 3 TOs and 3 bobbled passes is his limit) o let Hamann get a full head of steam and try to get to the basket (which works 1 out of 10 times as people sag off of him as he can´t shoot at all)

Nowitzki a ball hogger ? That´s a new one. He´d thankfully defer to others if they´d step up or could make sth happen, allways did and allways will.

Apollo64 · Post #176 » by **Apollo64** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:46 pm

I wonder if Schaffartzik shoots this way in Bundesliga too. If that's the case, then he surely has a place in a better european league.

I Feel Devotion · Post #177 » by **I Feel Devotion** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:05 am

wilt wrote:
I Feel Devotion wrote: but then again they play a much worse style of offense with him.

you can´t play a worse style of offense than the germans did now. Don´t know ho much you´ve seen from this german team, but they were very one dimensional on offense, Yeah, a couple more people scored but 1/2 of the offense is running around screens at the 3 point line with the rest being running Dirk systems for Dirk/2 (Jagler), giving Femerling the ball in the post (while he did admireably he is basically ignored by defenses as everone knows that 10-12 points with 3 TOs and 3 bobbled passes is his limit) o let Hamann get a full head of steam and try to get to the basket (which works 1 out of 10 times as people sag off of him as he can´t shoot at all)

Nowitzki a ball hogger ? That´s a new one. He´d thankfully defer to others if they´d step up or could make sth happen, allways did and allways will.

Kindly show me where I said Dirk was a ball hogger, because I did not. Germany was better without Dirk than they were last year with him, simple as that.

I Feel Devotion · Post #178 » by **I Feel Devotion** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:06 am

Apollo64 wrote:I wonder if Schaffartzik shoots this way in Bundesliga too. If that's the case, then he surely has a place in a better european league.

If he plays even half that well in club basketball he should be in the Euroleague.

wilt · Post #179 » by **wilt** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:07 am

40% on 7+ tries from 3 on a bottom feeder team last season. Could play more versatile but then again why not play to your strengths. Lacks the physichal abilitites to be a really good PG as he can´t defend all that well and can´t finish inside much, but great handles, good vision and obviously great shooting ability (and things like that pull up jumper are just starting to get part of his game)

Last season was also his first as an undisputed starter, he´s a pretty late bloomer and recent discovery, going to be interesting how his game develops further as he was much more controlled at the Euro than many expected and also used as a playmaker much more due to the fact there was no 3rd PG on the roster whicvh could be a blessing in disguise as now people saw he can actually run the show and not just be a shooter/scvorer that gets the ball late in the shot clock on Isos and screens playin next to a "real" PG.

I guess if he hadn´t allready signed a contract at a new club here in Germany he miiht get a call or 2 from borderline Euroleague teams right about now, but i´d like to see him stay, the german league needs a german that will score points which is an absolute rarity.

I Feel Devotion · Post #180 » by **I Feel Devotion** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:11 am

wilt wrote:40% on 7+ tries from 3 on a bottom feeder team last season. Could play more versatile but then again why not play to your strengths. Lacks the physichal abilitites to be a really good PG as he can´t defend all that well and can´t finish inside much, but great handles, good vision and obviously great shooting ability (and things like that pull up jumper are just starting to get part of his game)

Last season was also his first as an undisputed starter, he´s a pretty late bloomer and recent discovery, going to be interesting how his game develops further as he was much more controlled at the Euro than many expected and also used as a playmaker much more due to the fact there was no 3rd PG on the roster whicvh could be a blessing in disguise as now people saw he can actually run the show and not just be a shooter/scvorer that gets the ball late in the shot clock on Isos and screens playin next to a "real" PG.

I might be wrong but from memory he was a highly touted youth player and then he developed a drug problem. That ruined his career. Then recently he got his life back in order and is now starting to play to what he can do.