Wednesday Sept 16th. Guillard Vs Diaz. FN on Spike

El Hardee · Post #41 » by **El Hardee** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:17 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:watching the weigh-ins, I didn't notice how deep this is. sheeet. Nover vs Stout, Jeremy Stephens...I like these guys. Cantwell vs Stann III too.

I missed the weigh-ins, how did Steinbeiss look? He was so banged up leading up to the fight that he was swimming to stay in shape, he is way too banged up to be making his UFC debut, but the dude is a warrior and wouldnt back out.

2009NBAChamps · Post #42 » by **2009NBAChamps** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:56 pm

Nover vs Stout should be interesting.

I liked Nover in TUF but I'm going with Stout in this one.

As for the other fights I'm interested in I'll take...

Diaz
Maynard (although I really like Huerta)
Condit
Stephens
Quarry
and CB Dolloway for my upset special of the night!

Test of Wills · Post #43 » by **Test of Wills** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:27 pm

Nover vs. Stout has been cancelled as Nover is recovering from a seizure.

UFC lightweight Phillipe Nover has suffered a seizure, forcing the cancellation of his bout Wednesday night against London, Ont.'s Sam Stout, according to UFC president Dana White. However, White wrote on his Twitter account just after 4 p.m. ET: "The nover stout fight is off. Nover had a seizure in the locker room. He is ok."

I was looking forward to this fight. Hope he's OK.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/2009/09/16/ufc_nover/

Cammo101 · Post #44 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:05 am

Great card tonight. Quarry and Credeur both brought it and fought a great fight. Condit showed why he is one of the most exciting fighters in MMA. Heurta showed he can fight with anyone. Grey showed he still has a lot of work to do if he wants to be anything be a wrestler, but he sure can wrestle. Nate Diaz was typical Nate Diaz and Guillard showed again that he is the most athletic and the most stupid fighter in MMA.

REDDzone · Post #45 » by **REDDzone** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:28 am

Very good fights tonight.

The Flying Gent · Post #46 » by **The Flying Gent** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:14 am

Melvin Melvin Melvin...

This guy must be taking tips from Frank Trigg.

High 5 · Post #47 » by **High 5** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:19 am

It was a decent card. Credeur was hitting some sick combos, but he doesn't have the 1 hitter quitter like Nate. Disappointed in Guillard. He was doing good, but he gets careless for one second and it's fight over.

The Notic · Post #48 » by **The Notic** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:54 am

He gassed, people. He shut down mentally after he realized he wasn't going to finish Nate (like a minute into the first). DIaz had too much heart and cardio for him.

Nate had him hurt before he played possum. He was trying to play it off.

2009NBAChamps · Post #49 » by **2009NBAChamps** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:12 am

That guillotine came almost too easy for Nate, but good job by him anyway.

Deelow_23 · Post #50 » by **Deelow_23** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:33 am

Great night of fights.

Quarry/Credeur was awesome.

I became a fan of Condit after tonight. Dude showed a ton of heart.

Melvin Guillard is a joke. Guy is one of the most athletic people in MMA yet he chooses to fight like a clown. He really needs to be released and go somewhere else until he starts to get serious about fighting.

jTF2 · Post #51 » by **jTF2** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:17 pm

Melvin's been avoiding the takedown all night and he inexplicably takes down Nate for no good reason leading to guillotine. dumber than a bag of bricks

El Hardee · Post #52 » by **El Hardee** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:39 pm

jTF2 wrote:Melvin's been avoiding the takedown all night and he inexplicably takes down Nate for no good reason leading to guillotine. dumber than a bag of bricks

Smelvin was hurt, and he quit on himself and went away from his gameplan and shot the double. Melvin does not have the heart to fight at the next level. And why hasnt he learned some Jits yet, this fool makes the most amateur mistakes out there. After the sloppy double he just laid there with his neck out, Nate didnt even have any type of gaurd in there, all Smelvin had to do was move his body to the opposite side of his head and he would have had side control instead of getting choked out, that is white belt BJJ, he deserveed to lose.

Post #53 » by **CPT** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:16 pm

Really enjoyed the fights tonight.

Credeur vs. Quarry was sloppy at times, but man was it a war. I thought Quarry's face would be the worst thing I saw all night until the cut and bloodbath on TUF.

Condit vs. Ellenberger was closer than I thought it would be. Good to see Condit get a win, but he needs to make a statement in his next fight if he wants to remain a main card fighter, let alone any kind of contender.

Huerta vs. Maynard was much more closely contested than I thought. I bet on Maynard, so I was pulling for him, but I really don't like rooting for him. That kimura he had on Huerta was nasty. Props to Huerta for sticking in there and giving Maynard a hell of a fight after a year long layoff and on his way to an acting/modelling career. It's a shame to see him go.

Diaz vs. Guillard was pretty good while it lasted. Too bad Guillard just doesn't have it mentally, because I thought he was looking great in the first round. Diaz was having a very hard time hitting him, or doing anything really, but then Melvin pretty much beat himself. Don't know what the answer is, it's not like he's inexperienced.

High 5 · Post #54 » by **High 5** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:11 pm

I think Ellenberger would have won the fight if he didn't take Condit down in the 2nd round. It was a nice takedown, but I don't understand why he did it. He didn't look gassed or hurt at that point. He was scoring points and winning on the feet.

funkatron101 · Post #55 » by **funkatron101** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:15 pm

Quarry and Creduer was a technical nightmare, but it was fun to watch. Nate is a cool guy, I've talked with him a few times. I'll always root for him, but man his stand-up looked bad.

That kimura was one of the worst I have seen. I started to feel a bit queezy. lol. It's funny how a guy who refuses to quit in the fight is choosing to quit his career.

Melvin is a complete bonehead. He has all the physical tools, but has a complete lapse of judgment. He has shown zero growth in his career.

Cammo101 · Post #56 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:54 pm

High 5 wrote:I think Ellenberger would have won the fight if he didn't take Condit down in the 2nd round. It was a nice takedown, but I don't understand why he did it. He didn't look gassed or hurt at that point. He was scoring points and winning on the feet.

Ellenberger was in trouble when Condit got smart enough to stop trading with him and just went to the ground.

High 5 · Post #57 » by **High 5** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:19 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
High 5 wrote:I think Ellenberger would have won the fight if he didn't take Condit down in the 2nd round. It was a nice takedown, but I don't understand why he did it. He didn't look gassed or hurt at that point. He was scoring points and winning on the feet.

Ellenberger was in trouble when Condit got smart enough to stop trading with him and just went to the ground.

Condit only went to the ground when Ellenberger took him there. Condit got absolutely mauled in the first round. Then for whatever reason near the start of the 2nd round Ellenberger shot in. I guess it was just overconfidence and him wanting to prove himself in his first fight. But he was neutralized on the ground and wasn't able to recover.

Post #58 » by **kdawg32086** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:16 pm

Ellenberger exposed a hole in Condit. Dude's standup just isn't very good...which seems to be sort of a trend with AZCS fighters. They need a boxing coach, because at this level, Muay Thai hands aren't technical to set up a striking game.

Quarry's standup looked more technical than ever. His punches were a little slow but it definitely looks like he's been working harder on his striking. If he can keep things up, he might be able to work his way back up the rankings. And Credeur....damn, he had a very cabbagesque performance with his granite chin display. Quarry hits HARD and he took it and kept going. I think Quarry might have worked his way into the top 15-20 middleweights in the world.

Mike Pierce over Brock Larson...I picked it because Pierce is a Portland boy, born and raised. Mike Pierce is probably the best welterweight EVER to come out of the northwest and he might be the best fighter from the northwest since Couture. Pierce is 9-1 now and I have a feeling he's gonna be at the same level of guys like Koscheck and Fitch.

And Melvin Guillard....LMFAO

El Hardee · Post #59 » by **El Hardee** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:42 am

kdawg32086 wrote:Ellenberger exposed a hole in Condit. Dude's standup just isn't very good...which seems to be sort of a trend with AZCS fighters. They need a boxing coach, because at this level, Muay Thai hands aren't technical to set up a striking game.

Quarry's standup looked more technical than ever. His punches were a little slow but it definitely looks like he's been working harder on his striking. If he can keep things up, he might be able to work his way back up the rankings. And Credeur....damn, he had a very cabbagesque performance with his granite chin display. Quarry hits HARD and he took it and kept going. I think Quarry might have worked his way into the top 15-20 middleweights in the world.

Mike Pierce over Brock Larson...I picked it because Pierce is a Portland boy, born and raised. Mike Pierce is probably the best welterweight EVER to come out of the northwest and he might be the best fighter from the northwest since Couture. Pierce is 9-1 now and I have a feeling he's gonna be at the same level of guys like Koscheck and Fitch.

And Melvin Guillard....LMFAO

How can you say AZCS doesnt have good striking? Please see Jamie Varner, Ray and Steve Steinbeiss. If your talking about CB/Bader they have only been training standup for 3 years at the most, Carlos has been with AZCS for only about 6 months. AZCS is known more for grappling but the Lally bros are awsome striking coaches.

Post #60 » by **kdawg32086** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:29 am

El Hardee wrote:
kdawg32086 wrote:Ellenberger exposed a hole in Condit. Dude's standup just isn't very good...which seems to be sort of a trend with AZCS fighters. They need a boxing coach, because at this level, Muay Thai hands aren't technical to set up a striking game.

Quarry's standup looked more technical than ever. His punches were a little slow but it definitely looks like he's been working harder on his striking. If he can keep things up, he might be able to work his way back up the rankings. And Credeur....damn, he had a very cabbagesque performance with his granite chin display. Quarry hits HARD and he took it and kept going. I think Quarry might have worked his way into the top 15-20 middleweights in the world.

Mike Pierce over Brock Larson...I picked it because Pierce is a Portland boy, born and raised. Mike Pierce is probably the best welterweight EVER to come out of the northwest and he might be the best fighter from the northwest since Couture. Pierce is 9-1 now and I have a feeling he's gonna be at the same level of guys like Koscheck and Fitch.

And Melvin Guillard....LMFAO
How can you say AZCS doesnt have good striking? Please see Jamie Varner, Ray and Steve Steinbeiss. If your talking about CB/Bader they have only been training standup for 3 years at the most, Carlos has been with AZCS for only about 6 months. AZCS is known more for grappling but the Lally bros are awsome striking coaches.

Varner was also a collegiate champion boxer. At this level, you need both boxing and muay thai to become elite because muay thai hands simply aren't good enough. Wasn't dissing the Lally brothers, but the AZCS fighters are missing a part of the standup game. That's part of the reason Varner is a champion. Striking is a natural progression that begins with the hands.